Obviously they were preferable in some ways. At least Biden hasn't endorsed violent political ideologies or spurred his followers to open rebellion.Mothra said:I agree it was 4 years of a mixed bag. But the one thing we weren't on the precipice of was a nuclear war.Sam Lowry said:His four years were a mixed bag. His last few months were a disaster. If his narcissism doesn't wreck the country, it won't be for lack of trying.Mothra said:We have 4 years of evidence that they will not. The last 2 years, on the other hand, make a pretty strong case that Biden might indeed wreck the country.Sam Lowry said:If we're lucky.Mothra said:Yes, Trump is a scumbag and a sinner, but his personal sins are not going to wreck the damn country.J.R. said:I'm talking about you very good Christian folk who voted for Trump. I really have a hard time getting my head around how all the good Cristians square a human who resamples and act totally in conflict with Christian beliefs. How just do you people square that? I just do not get it. Hell , my parents are the same way and I don't get that either.4th and Inches said:you people? Me and my fellow session members at church? Me and other random posters on this site? Me and the 12 members of my immediate family who voted for both Trump and Biden in the last election and we still all talk and go to church and on family trips together(you know, the important stuff)?J.R. said:You people judge on what party someone votes.4th and Inches said:so you would like me to judge whether you are a good Christian or a bad Christian based on a few internet posts? Who thinks this way.J.R. said:Unbelievable . who thinks this way, these days? Sad, really. Fairly sure JC would not approve.4th and Inches said:correct.. you may or may not be a ChristianOsodecentx said:If I vote for a Democrat, am I voting for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, and I may not be a Christian?Mothra said:Indeed, if one votes for policies that are the antithesis of Christianity, one may not be a Christian, may be immature in his or her faith, or may be misguided, subscribing to a warped and erroneous view of Christianity. That is elementary and basic Christian theology.Osodecentx said:And if my behavior includes voting Democrat, it may be a sign that I have no faith. And if I have no faith I'm not a Christian.Mothra said:I've said that how one behaves may be a sign of where they are in their faith, or if they even have a faith. Again, that is not a controversial subject, and one supported by the verses quoted above. Unfortunately, you seem to continue to either confuse or purposefully misinterpret those comments to allege that I am saying how one votes is a prerequisite to salvation. As I have tried to tell you, you're getting the order confused. Faith precedes both fruit and works. And fruit and works are a sign of faith.Osodecentx said:Yes you are. You say that if I vote wrong I need to do some self examination because I may not really be saved. IOW, faith +vote right. But if I vote right no self examination necessaryMothra said:
Hold on a second. Am I "preaching another Gospel. Faith + vote for your preferred candidate" or not?
You seem to be all over the place.
Below is a quote from your post from 2-3 pages ago:
"The idea that Christians can do and say anything they want (and vote how they want) because they are saved sounds eerily similar to the Gnostics, who believed that salvation was a mere get-out-of-jail free card. They believed how you live doesn't matter. And that's just not what Christ says in the Gospels.
I would respectfully submit that if you believe you are saved, but continue to make poor choices and decisions that you know to be contrary to your purported faith, you might need to do some self-examination, and ask yourself have you truly accepted Christ's grace. Again, how we vote doesn't affect our eternal security, but it might be a sign of where we are in our relationship with Christ, if at all."
I'm not misinterpreting what you say, I'm quoting you word for word.
Exactly who is the you people you were derogatorily referring to?
There's no way any reasonable conservative could argue the last two years of disaster were in any way preferable to Trump.