Osodecentx said:
Mothra said:
I don't agree that one cannot be Christian and vote Democrat. However, given the current state of the Democrat Party, and its acceptance of rampant sexual immorality, infanticide, debauchery, and wokeism, I think you are a seriously misguided and deceived Christian if you could pull the trigger for a party that has by and large embraced ideas that are the antithesis of Christian beliefs. Either that, or in truth, you are one of the luke warms who doesn't really care all that strongly about the central tenets of the faith.
Now, the corollary to that is not that you must vote for the Republican if you are Christian. Nobody on this thread has said that, despite the Woke Redneck's stupid strawmen to the contrary. I know many Christians that couldn't pull the trigger for Trump, and simply sat out the election, or voted third party. At the time, I didn't agree with that decision, but I certainly respected it.
I think it is a fair reading of his posts to say Wang believes a person who votes for a Democrat isn't a Christian. Since you have admitted that you have voted for a couple of Democrats, I'd be interested in your opinion of Wang's posts.
From Wangchung:
You don't know ANY Christians that vote Democrat. They might call themselves Christians but they aren't when they're enabling abortion. You mistake being weak in one's beliefs and going along to get along with actual Christianity. Watered down, participation ribbon version of Christ's teachings that feel good to say and allow you to attack actual Christians who show their faith through acts rather than virtue signals.
Old enough to know that voting to empower abortion means you're not a Christian. I'm sure there were good Nazis who didn't support EVERYTHING the National Socialist Party did, too, but they supported some terrible **** by not being single issue supporters.
I think Wang makes some good points. It is difficult to understand why a Christian would vote for a party that stands for the opposite of Christian values and tenets, as pointed out above. When a Christian pulls the trigger for that party, one must wonder, are they deceived, ignorant, luke-warm, or perhaps not really Christian? I haven't met a Christian yet, sound in his or her walk with the Lord, that has pulled the trigger for a Democrat in a national election the last few election cycles. The reasons for that should be patently obvious to any mature believer.
The place I will not go is saying if you vote Democrat, you can't be Christian. Although doing so raises a number of concerns about one's purported Christian faith and walk with Christ, I can say from personal experience that I've likewise made poor decisions as a Christian that I am not proud of. But I do not believe that changed my identify in Christ. For that reason, I am unable to go there.
Also, for the record, the few Dems I voted for were friends of mine in local elections. Most of them were in large, Democrat-run cities, where they essentially had to run as a Democrat to get elected. Funny enough, one of them - a tax assessor in a very large Texas city, is to the right of me, politically. It's been years since I've pulled the trigger for a Dem, and I am not sure I could do so even in a local election today.