I doubt impeachment would do anything. Trump owns the record for impeachments and it hasnt stopped him. Many love him when he tells them what they want to hear.
Federal Judge blocks Trump from deporting illegal alien gang members
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This is a judicial coup. There has never been DoD policy dictated by the judiciary branch before.
— Jon Leslie🇺🇸 (@JonLeslieNH) March 19, 2025
What’s next? The DoD can’t set PT standards and kick those out who fail? The Army cannot utilize 7.62 weapons because they’re too heavy for some people? The AF needs to make… https://t.co/FA6v8Doq0w
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I saw an article about the SC commenting on Trump impeaching the judge.. I dont think they got the message that he IS the LAW now.
Is calling 47% approval rate what goes for "vast majoriy" at A&M?
Trump won an electoral landslide promising to do…..exactly what he is doing.
Though I am not surprised a life long narcissist didn't vote for Trump or appreciate his current actions.
Maybe it's time for you to return to Cambodia or Mexico with some of your retirement cash and resume your search for true 'love'.
Deportation means being sent home.Osodecentx said:In Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (2004), the Court held that Americans detained as enemy combatants, even outside the United States, had a right to challenge in court their detention by the executive branch.Redbrickbear said:Osodecentx said:
Does the president, under the Alien Enemy Act of 1798, have the authority to unilaterally order the removal of a class of aliens from the United States, without judicial review, when the nation is not at war and the courts are open and functioning,
Lincoln did just that…
The civilian courts were in operation…yet he detained men with no charge and other threw into military courts.
And these were American citizens….not foreigners
Was that lawful?“… you are therefore hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after public notice has been given of the falsehood of said… pic.twitter.com/AYC6Fii1qL
— SGAnon (@TheQNewsPatriot) December 5, 2024
Not detained for years in Guantanamo Bay
(for the record I agree that anyone, Citizen or Non-Citizen, detained by the Federal government for a long period of time has the right to challenge that detention in Court)
Funny you mention that. Last week I turned in my resignation effective at the end of May. By June 1st I will be living in a nice 17th floor condo with a balcony view of the mountains on one side and the sea on the other. I weighed less today than I have weighed since high school football. I will see all the historic sites in Cambodia, visit Veitnam for the first time and revisit Laos. I am excited. One of my grandsons will join me for a month. Thanks for your interest.
Just turned down an invitation to join some old friends in Portugal beginning May 1st.
Dearly wanted to go as they are a fun bunch to travel with.
However my 8 year old grandson is having his First Holy Communion May 3rd and he asked me to be his sponsor weeks ago.
Wouldn't miss participating in his ceremony for the world.
You and I have dramatically different priorities.
Dearly wanted to go as they are a fun bunch to travel with.
However my 8 year old grandson is having his First Holy Communion May 3rd and he asked me to be his sponsor weeks ago.
Wouldn't miss participating in his ceremony for the world.
You and I have dramatically different priorities.
Concur. Article 3 judges have lifetime appointments. That can be pretty bad for your personality. Some of them develop massive egos, with no one in their sphere to challenge them at all. Go ahead and let them know that if they go too far they will be put through the paces.BearFan33 said:I don't think waste of time even though they likely wont get removed. The public airing of the various judge's conflicts of interest and in some case corruption would be valuable. Let the judges answer questions under oath and see what they have to say. Who are influencing the judges, who are they communicating with? Make a spectacle out of it like the democrats would. Right now the resistance has been established at the district court level. The activists are running amok with nothing to restrain their behavior. The rule of law is being trampled so they can stop Trumps agenda. SCOTUS is obviously not going to get involved, so the only remedy is impeachment. Drag a few of the worst actors through the process and maybe the activism decreases overall,KaiBear said:ScottS said:
Articles of impeachment have been filed against the judge
Zero chance the judge gets impeached.
Waste of time.
However the vast majority of Americans appreciate Trumps attitude here. They want these criminals out of the country regardless of the games leftists are playing in the courts.
BTW there are many examples throughout US history of presidents acting decisively while ignoring federal court decisions.
Yes the judge who demanded the planes turn around and bring back the criminals definitely has a God complex. He also has conflicts of interest and was the judge in charge of the FISA court that approved spying on Trump. In reality he should be recused from anything Trump related.Robert Wilson said:Concur. Article 3 judges have lifetime appointments. That can be pretty bad for your personality. Some of them develop massive egos, with no one in their sphere to challenge them at all. Go ahead and let them know that if they go too far they will be put through the paces.BearFan33 said:I don't think waste of time even though they likely wont get removed. The public airing of the various judge's conflicts of interest and in some case corruption would be valuable. Let the judges answer questions under oath and see what they have to say. Who are influencing the judges, who are they communicating with? Make a spectacle out of it like the democrats would. Right now the resistance has been established at the district court level. The activists are running amok with nothing to restrain their behavior. The rule of law is being trampled so they can stop Trumps agenda. SCOTUS is obviously not going to get involved, so the only remedy is impeachment. Drag a few of the worst actors through the process and maybe the activism decreases overall,KaiBear said:ScottS said:
Articles of impeachment have been filed against the judge
Zero chance the judge gets impeached.
Waste of time.
However the vast majority of Americans appreciate Trumps attitude here. They want these criminals out of the country regardless of the games leftists are playing in the courts.
BTW there are many examples throughout US history of presidents acting decisively while ignoring federal court decisions.
Yes, he's probably incapable of being impartial. But it's very difficult to get a judge removed for something like that. You need really a more direct conflict of interest.BearFan33 said:Yes the judge who demanded the planes turn around and bring back the criminals definitely has a God complex. He also has conflicts of interest and was the judge in charge of the FISA court that approved spying on Trump. In reality he should be recused from anything Trump related.Robert Wilson said:Concur. Article 3 judges have lifetime appointments. That can be pretty bad for your personality. Some of them develop massive egos, with no one in their sphere to challenge them at all. Go ahead and let them know that if they go too far they will be put through the paces.BearFan33 said:I don't think waste of time even though they likely wont get removed. The public airing of the various judge's conflicts of interest and in some case corruption would be valuable. Let the judges answer questions under oath and see what they have to say. Who are influencing the judges, who are they communicating with? Make a spectacle out of it like the democrats would. Right now the resistance has been established at the district court level. The activists are running amok with nothing to restrain their behavior. The rule of law is being trampled so they can stop Trumps agenda. SCOTUS is obviously not going to get involved, so the only remedy is impeachment. Drag a few of the worst actors through the process and maybe the activism decreases overall,KaiBear said:Zero chance the judge gets impeached.ScottS said:
Articles of impeachment have been filed against the judge
Waste of time.
However the vast majority of Americans appreciate Trumps attitude here. They want these criminals out of the country regardless of the games leftists are playing in the courts.
BTW there are many examples throughout US history of presidents acting decisively while ignoring federal court decisions.
I think impeachment is the only path. May get charged by the House. Won't get convicted by the Senate. But it won't be fun for him, and a lot of things will come out through that process. Should make judges think twice before going too far with their exercise of authority.
Can this actually happen?
Lots of noise about impeachment. We must study every ruling & act accordingly w/ everything on the table (noting: 14 Dem votes required in Senate.). But, more fertile ground… 1) House can pass a resolution stating there is/was an invasion, 2) we can defund radical courts.
— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) March 18, 2025
Good thoughts from Chip. He's a buddy from way back. Good guy.
So you imagine these gangsters are more comparable to law-abiding citizens than violent attackers?
Oldbear83 said:
So you imagine these gangsters are more comparable to law-abiding citizens than violent attackers?
Tren de Aragua are monsters
They are lucky that the U.S. Government is just deporting them....and not disappearing them into a hole in the Arizona desert
The British in the 1800s would have just hung them from a public gallows...the Romans would have crucified them along a highway
They are no better than pirates and raiders by international law and custom
A literal bunch of child pimping murdering transnational narco-terrorists responsible for thousands of deaths.
[Tren de Aragua, Spanish for "the train of Aragua" was founded in the Tocorn prison, in the central Venezuelan state of Aragua.
From behind bars, its leaders ordered robberies, kidnappings, and murders.
But as Venezuela sank into its worst economic meltdown in history and crime became less lucrative, the Tren de Aragua branched out overseas. It recruited new gang members from among the 8 million Venezuelans who had fled the country's economic crisis. Initially, it established criminal cells in neighboring Colombia, Peru and Chile, where it smuggled drugs and people and operated extortion rackets and prostitution rings.
The Tren de Aragua eventually expanded to the United States, which is home to about 700,000 Venezuelan migrants. Besides a wave of robberies, the Tren de Aragua is suspected in the shooting of two New York Police officers and the killing of a former Venezuelan police officer in Florida.
The Tren de Aragua's most notorious alleged crime was the 2024 killing of Ronald Ojeda, a former Venezuelan army officer who conspired against Nicols Maduro, the country's authoritarian leader, then fled to Chile. Suspected gang members dressed as Chilean police officers abducted Ojeda from his apartment. Days later, his lifeless body was found stuffed in a suitcase and buried in cement.]
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
add another log to the fire
Judge temporarily blocks EPA's effort to cancel $20 billion in climate grants. https://t.co/0z0qcN6iya
— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 19, 2025
Are you under the impression that they just rounded up brown people and labeled them gang members, loaded them on a plane and said "adios"?Sam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.htmlSam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]
Jacques Strap said:
add another log to the fireJudge temporarily blocks EPA's effort to cancel $20 billion in climate grants. https://t.co/0z0qcN6iya
— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 19, 2025
"judicial insurrection"
The American people can vote in Liberal Presidents who push through Liberal policies....but the American people can not vote in a Conservative President who is allowed to reverse those previous policies
It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?Redbrickbear said:https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.htmlSam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]
Biden lets in 10M illegal aliens. No judicial action required. But it takes 10M trials and appeals to send them back?Redbrickbear said:Jacques Strap said:
add another log to the fireJudge temporarily blocks EPA's effort to cancel $20 billion in climate grants. https://t.co/0z0qcN6iya
— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 19, 2025
"judicial insurrection"
The American people can vote in Liberal Presidents who push through Liberal policies....but the American people can not vote in a Conservative President who is allowed to reverse those previous policies
Robert Wilson said:Biden lets in 10M illegal aliens. No judicial action required. But it takes 10M trials and appeals to send them back?Redbrickbear said:Jacques Strap said:
add another log to the fireJudge temporarily blocks EPA's effort to cancel $20 billion in climate grants. https://t.co/0z0qcN6iya
— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 19, 2025
"judicial insurrection"
The American people can vote in Liberal Presidents who push through Liberal policies....but the American people can not vote in a Conservative President who is allowed to reverse those previous policies
Those who want to destroy the traditional culture of the United States brought these millions of illegals into our country. Thousands of whom were criminals and have been attacking our citizens and our institutions.
Now they are the same ones trying to prevent Trump from deporting these ILLEGALS.
Yet there are millions of incredibly stupid Americans still criticizing Trump for his efforts. Dems for life. Even if an illegal shortens that life.
Robert Wilson said:Biden lets in 10M illegal aliens. No judicial action required. But it takes 10M trials and appeals to send them back?Redbrickbear said:Jacques Strap said:
add another log to the fireJudge temporarily blocks EPA's effort to cancel $20 billion in climate grants. https://t.co/0z0qcN6iya
— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 19, 2025
"judicial insurrection"
The American people can vote in Liberal Presidents who push through Liberal policies....but the American people can not vote in a Conservative President who is allowed to reverse those previous policies
Bingo....you can vote yourself into progressive liberalism....but the Federal Courts make sure you can never vote yourself out.
This has been know for a while as the "Israel disease"....the tendency for the Israeli courts to sideline, stop, and squash conservative and right leaning ideas....while defending liberal and leftist ones
Sam Lowry said:It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?Redbrickbear said:https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.htmlSam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]
The low grade crappy prison tattoos declaring their loyalty to this narco-death cult are a big give away
All the courts have is the perception of legitimacy, which can be lost. The Left has been systematically attacking the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. Now progressive district court judges are undermining the legitimacy of the judiciary on the right. This is so dangerous. https://t.co/BKLUv5rC7Z
— Randy Barnett (@RandyEBarnett) March 19, 2025
All it takes is some radical to realize that every democrat appointed judge can now be assassinated because it's up to Trump to fill the vacancy.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
That was Chuck Schumer's idea a couple of years ago.Wangchung said:
All it takes is some radical to realize that every democrat appointed judge can now be assassinated because it's up to Trump to fill the vacancy.
Wangchung said:
All it takes is some radical to realize that every democrat appointed judge can now be assassinated because it's up to Trump to fill the vacancy.
Bad concept.
Then the US version of the Spanish Civil War will begin in earnest .
Good point. An impeachment based solely on partisanship and disagreement only increases the target's popularity.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I doubt impeachment would do anything. Trump owns the record for impeachments and it hasnt stopped him. Many love him when he tells them what they want to hear.
Tattoos are easily misinterpreted. I've seen that in my own practice. I would encourage anyone to read the court documents and familiarize themselves with the law and the facts of the case. These are some of the people we've sent away to rot in prison, or worse:Redbrickbear said:Sam Lowry said:It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?Redbrickbear said:https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.htmlSam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]
The low grade crappy prison tattoos declaring their loyalty to this narco-death cult are a big give away
Quote:
Plaintiff-Petitioner J.G.G. is a Venezuelan national who is detained at El Valle Detention Center in Texas and who, upon information and belief, is at imminent risk of removal under the expected Proclamation. J.G.G. is seeking asylum, withholding of removal, and CAT protection because he fears being killed, arbitrarily imprisoned, beaten and tortured by Venezuelan police since they have done so previously to him. During an interview with ICE, he was detained because the officer erroneously suspected that J.G.G. was a Tren de Aragua member on account of his tattoos. J.G.G. is a professional tattoo artist, and his two tattoos, a rose and skull on his leg, which cover a monkey tattoo that he no longer liked, and an eye with a clock inside it, which a fellow tattoo artist applied as practice - neither are associated with Tren de Aragua. While he was awaiting a hearing on the merits of his applications for protection in Adelanto, California, J.G.G. was awakened at 2:00 am on March 6, 2025, and he was told that he was being released and that he had to sign documents that were available only in English to receive his property. J.G.G. then signed documents under false pretense. Instead of being released, J.G.G. was abruptly and without explanation transferred to El Valle Detention Center in Texas. While in El Valle, he was awakened at 3:00 am on March 14, 2025, and told without explanation that he was going to be transferred elsewhere. He was not transferred because the plane had malfunctioned. J.G.G. fears
that he will be removed under the Proclamation because he has tattoos, despite not being involved whatsoever with Tren de Aragua and despite his ongoing asylum proceedings.
Plaintiff-Petitioner J.A.V. is a Venezuelan national who is detained at El Valle Detention Center in Texas, and who, upon information and belief, is at imminent risk of removal under the expected Proclamation. J.A.V. Decl. J.A.V. is seeking asylum because of his political views and fear of harm and mistreatment from multiple criminal groups, including Tren de Aragua. At his asylum interview on February 27, 2025, he was arrested and interrogated by ICE, during which time ICE questioned him about Tren de Aragua. J.A.V. is not and has never been a member of Tren de Aragua - he was in fact victimized by that group and the group is the reason he cannot return to Venezuela.
Plaintiff-Petitioner W.G.H. is a 29-year-old Venezuelan national who is detained at El Valle Detention Center in Texas, and who, upon information and belief, is at imminent risk of removal under the expected Proclamation. W.G.H. lives in Brooklyn, New York, with his wife and his stepdaughter. W.G.H. requested asylum because he was extorted and threatened by multiple criminal groups in Venezuela, including Tren de Aragua.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69741724/3/2/jgg-v-trump/
Trump and his spokespersons are fueling that hostility with their absurd rhetoric about "radical" judges and judicial overreach. They know perfectly well that the courts have legitimate oversight in these cases. They just want to ignore the law and incite the masses to rally in Trump's support.Jacques Strap said:All the courts have is the perception of legitimacy, which can be lost. The Left has been systematically attacking the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. Now progressive district court judges are undermining the legitimacy of the judiciary on the right. This is so dangerous. https://t.co/BKLUv5rC7Z
— Randy Barnett (@RandyEBarnett) March 19, 2025
Terrible concept. But that's where we are headed. There are unhinged people out there that will see the forced acceptance of violent gangs into our society as a direct attack on our citizens. It's only a matter of time before enough people are attacked, businesses burned and schools taken over before activist judges who enable those things become targets.KaiBear said:Wangchung said:
All it takes is some radical to realize that every democrat appointed judge can now be assassinated because it's up to Trump to fill the vacancy.
Bad concept.
Then the US version of the Spanish Civil War will begin in earnest .
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
Sam Lowry said:It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?Redbrickbear said:https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.htmlSam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]
The government said they were, so you should believe it. Isn't that your motto?
Nope, never has been. I believe it when they produce evidence.Married A Horn said:Sam Lowry said:It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?Redbrickbear said:https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.htmlSam Lowry said:
How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?
[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]
The government said they were, so you should believe it. Isn't that your motto?
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump's job performance. Forty-eight percent (48%) disapprove.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I saw an article about the SC commenting on Trump impeaching the judge.. I dont think they got the message that he IS the LAW now.
Is calling 47% approval rate what goes for "vast majoriy" at A&M?
Where is your 47% from?
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El Oso said:
So is historical context.
The Alien Enemies Act is a wartime law: It has its roots in a conflict between the U.S. and France, and the three times it has been used until now were all during major wars. The last time the act was invoked was during World War II, when it was used to put thousands of noncitizens of Japanese, German and Italian descent in internment camps for which the federal government formally apologized decades later.
The act's fine print states that the president can only assume this authority once Congress has declared war. While the U.S. has been involved in plenty of conflicts over the decades, it hasn't done so formally since 1942. And, until Trump, no one has tried to argue that that invasion or predatory incursion language could be used in any context other than a conventional war.
The Quasi War was an undeclared naval war between the US and France when John Adams was president. Congress never declared war in that one either. It was unconventional in the legal sense, like most wars in US history.
The Japanese who were interned in camps during WWII were US citizens and victims of a racist policy. FDR was a Democrat after all.
Trump's current use is not comparable since the people being deported are illegal aliens who have no right to be here and are also criminals guilty of heinous offenses.