Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

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I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

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Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

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Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

---

Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

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Every illegal from anywhere and of any faith should be deported. Now, please tell me which democrat candidate is in favor of this and I will happily vote for him/her/it.

Unlike you, my positions remain consistent from one administration to another.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Those numbers mean nothing. /s

Injunctions imposed by district court judges and how many of those were issued by judges appointed from opposing party:

Bush- 6 - 3
Obama- 12 - 7
Trump- 64 - 59
Biden- 14 - 14
Trump- 96 - 83

Rogue judges have become activists in robes.

This needs to change.

— Mirthful Moments (@moment_mirthful) April 1, 2025

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Doc Holliday said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Judge James Boasberg was just assigned to the case involving the Signal chat. The same judge who tried stopping Trump from deporting terrorists. pic.twitter.com/ZAOsCnFX4X

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) March 26, 2025

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He was in Star Trek I think...

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Lol

I grew up watching TNG with my Dad as a kid. Love that show!

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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Especially when we don't follow the law.

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Sam demands that district judges be treated as superior to the elected President of the United States.

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I see that you've dutifully memorized your propaganda points.

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Oldbear83 said:

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For those scoring at home, the Democrats have gone from taking the 20 side on 80/20 issues, to taking the 10 side on 90/10 issues, and now the 5 side on 95/5 issues.

Next up, Democrats will protest puppies and birthday cake.

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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Especially when we don't follow the law.

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Cry me a river sam

We wouldn't have these problems if Biden didn't illegally let in 10 million people

You expect perfection from the trump administration when the government has shown it can't do anything correctly but waste and steal taxpayer money.

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Cry me a river yourself. Nobody here likes Biden. Being butt-hurt over his policies doesn't give you the right to scapegoat potentially innocent people. Doing so endangers you, me, and all of us.

Y'all just need to deal with your emotions and let the courts do their job. They can handle it.

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The courts are putting us (US citizens) in actual danger.

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A temporary order while the accused are in custody isn't endangering anyone.

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except Democrats have this way of putting them back on the street, even if it's child rape or attempted murder.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I will believe the Justice Department professionals

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That's a first.

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We have some now, I'm not talking about Biden's goons.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam: "Nobody here likes Biden"

Says the guy who clearly preferred Biden over Trump from his posts.

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Weird comment.

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Wait, do you really believe that a Democrat will deport illegals and, if so, Republicans will complain about it?

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Like I said, you're gonna love it.

Quote:

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Most immigrants at risk of deportation from US are Christian, report finds
BY PETER SMITH
Updated 1:51 PM CDT, April 2, 2025

As many as four in five immigrants at risk of deportation from the United States are Christian, according to a new report that calls on their fellow believers to consider the impact of the Trump administration's aggressive deportation policies.

The report says about 10 million Christians are vulnerable to deportation and 7 million U.S. citizens who are Christian live in households where someone is at risk of deportation.

The report, under the auspices of major Catholic and evangelical organizations, draws on a range of data, including percentages of religious affiliation in various migrant and national populations and on an advocacy group's analysis of U.S. census data on migrants.

Even the fear of deportation could cause people to avoid going to public places--such as worship services. In an era when a growing number of people in the U.S. don't have a religious affiliation, many immigrants who are Christian have helped reenergize churches and spur their growth, said Walter Kim, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"They're coming from parts of the world where the church is actually thriving," Kim said. "Not only are they bringing that thriving faith and contributing to America, they're also contributing to the vibrancy of the church in America."

Mass deportation would amount to a government-fostered "church decline strategy," Kim said.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-administration-migrants-deportation-christians-93851e15c2bae32b6ab89f4108cc6d82

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But you know, "you said nothing then, and your words mean nothing now."

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Every illegal from anywhere and of any faith should be deported. Now, please tell me which democrat candidate is in favor of this and I will happily vote for him/her/it.

Unlike you, my positions remain consistent from one administration to another.

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That's nice, but what does it have to do with the Alien Enemies Act? In theory the law applies to all non-citizens over 14. In practice, if Trump has his way, it could apply to anyone. If plainclothes agents handcuff you and force you into an unmarked SUV, as they did to a Ph.D. student a couple of weeks ago, we'll just have to take their word for it (apparently she wrote a bad editorial in the school newspaper). Can't have judges interfering. Mistakes will be made.

You're not worried as long as Trump is in power. Unlike you, my positions remain consistent from one administration to another.

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historian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Those numbers mean nothing. /s

Injunctions imposed by district court judges and how many of those were issued by judges appointed from opposing party:

Bush- 6 - 3
Obama- 12 - 7
Trump- 64 - 59
Biden- 14 - 14
Trump- 96 - 83

Rogue judges have become activists in robes.

This needs to change.

— Mirthful Moments (@moment_mirthful) April 1, 2025

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Congress can fix this by reorganizing the judiciary or removing these district courts altogether. There are probably many ways, some much simpler, to solve this. Maybe just outlaw universal injections by district courts. But they probably won't.

Most of this nation's problems can be addressed by congress but they won't. They don't have the will, partisan politics makes it very difficult, & most of our problems were created by Congress in the first place.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

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I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

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Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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It often seems that way.

The politicians prefer to talk than to do their jobs. We must not forget that most of the problems in our government were caused by congress.

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Those numbers mean nothing. /s

Injunctions imposed by district court judges and how many of those were issued by judges appointed from opposing party:

Bush- 6 - 3
Obama- 12 - 7
Trump- 64 - 59
Biden- 14 - 14
Trump- 96 - 83

Rogue judges have become activists in robes.

This needs to change.

— Mirthful Moments (@moment_mirthful) April 1, 2025

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Congress can fix this by reorganizing the judiciary or removing these district courts altogether. There are probably many ways, some much simpler, to solve this. Maybe just outlaw universal injections by district courts. But they probably won't.

Most of this nation's problems can be addressed by congress but they won't. They don't have the will, partisan politics makes it very difficult, & most of our problems were created by Congress in the first place.

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And this is why we are now governed by executive order regardless of the party in office.

Congress would rather have the talking points than pass legislation

Legislation doesn't raise money like talking points

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

---

Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

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Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

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There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

---

Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

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There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

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No, you spent the last four years cheering for authoritarianism. But the jersey colors changed.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

---

Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

---

There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

---

There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

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No, you spent the last four years cheering for authoritarianism. But the jersey colors changed.

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I understand that y'all are forced to call me a Democrat since you don't have any other arguments, but that is really pushing it to absurd lengths. To say I was ever a cheerleader for Biden is just ridiculous.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

---

Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

---

There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

---

There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

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No, you spent the last four years cheering for authoritarianism. But the jersey colors changed.

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I understand that y'all are forced to call me a Democrat since you don't have any other arguments, but that is really pushing it to absurd lengths. To say I was ever a cheerleader for Biden is just ridiculous.

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During Covid, you did not see an executive action that you did not like, other than you wished they went farther. In addition to the fact that I don't think you understand the free exercise clause, the first amendment got trampled all over the place in several different ways, along with some other, fairly important parts of the constitution. And the courts were slow and inconsistent at best in responding to any of it. Never saw any concern from you.

Now, when Trump starts deporting a few dozen illegal gangsters, you become a civil rights advocate.

That's all well and good. I understand that you just root for a particular team. But when you try to act impartial or above it all, that is just plain silly.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

---

"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

---

No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

---

Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

---

Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

---

So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

---

I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

---

I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

---

So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

---

Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

---

Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

---

There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

---

There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

---

No, you spent the last four years cheering for authoritarianism. But the jersey colors changed.

---

I understand that y'all are forced to call me a Democrat since you don't have any other arguments, but that is really pushing it to absurd lengths. To say I was ever a cheerleader for Biden is just ridiculous.

---

During Covid, you did not see an executive action that you did not like, other than you wished they went farther. In addition to the fact that I don't think you understand the free exercise clause, the first amendment got trampled all over the place in several different ways, along with some other, fairly important parts of the constitution. And the courts were slow and inconsistent at best in responding to any of it. Never saw any concern from you.

Now, when Trump starts deporting a few dozen illegal gangsters, you become a civil rights advocate.

That's all well and good. I understand that you just root for a particular team. But when you try to act impartial or above it all, that is just plain silly.

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Well, the Texas governor and the US president during the lockdowns were both Republicans, so I don't know which team you think I was rooting for. Covid was never really a partisan issue. Trump convinced you that it was because he knew the lockdowns were necessary and he didn't want you to blame him.

I have a stronger interpretation of the Free Exercise Clause than most, as I disagree with Scalia and believe the compelling interest test should apply. Pandemic restrictions would easily pass the test in any case. There's a reason they were almost universally upheld by judges regardless of party affiliation.

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

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I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

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Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

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There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

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No, you spent the last four years cheering for authoritarianism. But the jersey colors changed.

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I understand that y'all are forced to call me a Democrat since you don't have any other arguments, but that is really pushing it to absurd lengths. To say I was ever a cheerleader for Biden is just ridiculous.

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During Covid, you did not see an executive action that you did not like, other than you wished they went farther. In addition to the fact that I don't think you understand the free exercise clause, the first amendment got trampled all over the place in several different ways, along with some other, fairly important parts of the constitution. And the courts were slow and inconsistent at best in responding to any of it. Never saw any concern from you.

Now, when Trump starts deporting a few dozen illegal gangsters, you become a civil rights advocate.

That's all well and good. I understand that you just root for a particular team. But when you try to act impartial or above it all, that is just plain silly.

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Well, the Texas governor and the US president during the lockdowns were both Republicans, so I don't know which team you think I was rooting for. Covid was never really a partisan issue. Trump convinced you that it was because he knew the lockdowns were necessary and he didn't want you to blame him.

I have a stronger interpretation of the Free Exercise Clause than most, as I disagree with Scalia and believe the compelling interest test should apply. Pandemic restrictions would easily pass the test in any case. There's a reason they were almost universally upheld by judges regardless of party affiliation.

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Trump screwed up badly at the beginning of Covid, as did most Republicans. They at least started coming to their senses over time. The Democrats would have kept us in some sort of locked down state much longer without the pushback that finally started coming from Republican governors.

Unfortunately, judges tend to get a swept up in the current thing as most other people do. That's why a lot of them were happy to grind the first amendment into powder in the middle of a massive panic / overreaction to Covid. Scalia did kind of screw up the free exercise clause. Some Indians smoking peyote was not the greatest fact pattern to put in front of him. Generally applicable and facially neutral excuses everything except outright attacks on religious practices. In any event, if pointless flailing at a virus with the profile of Covid is a "compelling interest" sufficient to shut down religious practice, a free exercise clause is not worth much.

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It often seems that way.

The politicians prefer to talk than to do their jobs. We must not forget that most of the problems in our government were caused by congress.

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I've had two different Congressmen tell me, one seriously and one commenting on associates, that their primary job from day one is to get re-elected. Until that changes, by term limits or otherwise, we are stuck with what we've got.

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The Trump administration deported a man to El Salvador in what it calls an administrative error and isn't able to bring him back, immigration officials said in court filings.

Last month, ICE agents arrested Abrego Garcia, alleging he was a member of the gang MS-13. Abrego Garcia, who lived in Maryland with his wife and child, both U.S. citizens, denies any gang affiliation. Abrego Garcia hasn't been charged or convicted of a crime.

Abrego-Garcia is being held in El Salvador's notorious Terrorism Confinement Center, known as Cecot.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/ice-deportation-maryland-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-el-salvador-8bee52f5?mod=e2fb

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I can't get through the pay wall. Gov't claims he was a gang member. He says he's not.

Other court documents show an immigration judge ordered Abrego-Garcia to be removed from the U.S. back in April 2019 over his alleged gang ties.

Alleged gang member arrested in Baltimore deported to El Salvadoran prison

In any case when millions of people come into the country illegally and there are efforts to remove them, some mistakes are going to be made.

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"Whoops! We let in 8M people. No clue who most of them are or what they're doing" is fine.

But God forbid you deport one guy who arguably only *used* to be a gangster.

This can't be perfectly done. Won't be. And can't be micromanaged one by one by district court judges. DOJ could never get the manpower.

It's simply not acceptable to say "we made such a huge fking mess that it's impossible for you to clean it up." The judiciary will have to adjust to the world as it is, which is what the judiciary tends towards over time anyway.

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No one is saying that. There are legal, expeditious means of deporting gangsters back to their own countries. Trump is deporting people who arguably were never gangsters at all, sending them to be tortured in squalid prison camps, and violating the law in a way that endangers all of our liberties. That's a deliberate choice on his part.

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Please expound. What are these expeditious means? And how is Trump violating them?

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Any noncitizen lawfully deemed removable can be deported under the INA. The TRO doesn't stop Trump from doing this. It doesn't even require the government to stop arresting people or to release anyone who's been arrested. It only enjoins removal on the sole basis of the Proclamation under the AEA.

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So why is Trump using the proclamation under the AEA rather than the INA?

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I'm not sure yet. It may be what enables him to utilize this "terrorist" mega-prison (which is an absolutely horrific place). It also has the potential to vastly expand presidential power, which may be equally or more important to him.

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I expect there's something else distinct about the procedures/processes. But maybe it's just they are picking out the particularly dangerous individuals to make sure that they don't just come back, which is what tends to happen.

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So they always say. Either way, conservatives are really going to love these powers when the next Democrat takes office and we get to see who they think is "dangerous."

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Maybe kinda like when states / cities shut down churches during covid and courts largely rubber stamped it.

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Those were generally applicable, constitutionally valid laws which didn't discriminate against churches. When cities or states did discriminate, as in California, the churches pled their cases in court and the judges intervened. That's how it's supposed to work. If we don't like the fact that states have emergency powers during a pandemic, we can change it through the state legislatures.

So no, this is nothing like that.

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There's the authoritarian Sam. Just needed a Democrat executive function to coax him back out.

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There's nothing "Democrat" about it. It's a basic and long recognized function of the states.

I'm not the one cheering for authoritarianism here.

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No, you spent the last four years cheering for authoritarianism. But the jersey colors changed.

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I understand that y'all are forced to call me a Democrat since you don't have any other arguments, but that is really pushing it to absurd lengths. To say I was ever a cheerleader for Biden is just ridiculous.

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During Covid, you did not see an executive action that you did not like, other than you wished they went farther. In addition to the fact that I don't think you understand the free exercise clause, the first amendment got trampled all over the place in several different ways, along with some other, fairly important parts of the constitution. And the courts were slow and inconsistent at best in responding to any of it. Never saw any concern from you.

Now, when Trump starts deporting a few dozen illegal gangsters, you become a civil rights advocate.

That's all well and good. I understand that you just root for a particular team. But when you try to act impartial or above it all, that is just plain silly.

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Well, the Texas governor and the US president during the lockdowns were both Republicans, so I don't know which team you think I was rooting for. Covid was never really a partisan issue. Trump convinced you that it was because he knew the lockdowns were necessary and he didn't want you to blame him.

I have a stronger interpretation of the Free Exercise Clause than most, as I disagree with Scalia and believe the compelling interest test should apply. Pandemic restrictions would easily pass the test in any case. There's a reason they were almost universally upheld by judges regardless of party affiliation.

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Trump screwed up badly at the beginning of Covid, as did most Republicans. They at least started coming to their senses over time. The Democrats would have kept us in some sort of locked down state much longer without the pushback that finally started coming from Republican governors.

Unfortunately, judges tend to get a swept up in the current thing as most other people do. That's why a lot of them were happy to grind the first amendment into powder in the middle of a massive panic / overreaction to Covid. Scalia did kind of screw up the free exercise clause. Some Indians smoking peyote was not the greatest fact pattern to put in front of him. Generally applicable and facially neutral excuses everything except outright attacks on religious practices. In any event, if pointless flailing at a virus with the profile of Covid is a "compelling interest" sufficient to shut down religious practice, a free exercise clause is not worth much.

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Unfortunately that was the real issue with covid. The government was dealing with the actual pandemic while most of the right-wing world was in denial.

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JUST IN: The Supreme Court has vacated Judge Boasberg's orders barring Trump's removals under the Alien Enemies Act largely over venue — but empahsizes the administration must give "reasonable notice" for targets to challenge their deportations in court. https://t.co/rnhB90af8y pic.twitter.com/FxG9kLDhui

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) April 7, 2025

5-4 Decision: Justice Sotomayor, Kagan, Jackson dissent... Justice Amy Coney Barrett partially dissents... https://t.co/tLXOkv9wV3 pic.twitter.com/u4Nvy0AUqU

— Douglass Mackey (@DougMackeyCase) April 7, 2025

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Finally. He said what Sam has been saying the entire time... the courts have jurisdiction.

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Finally. He said what Sam has been saying the entire time... the courts have jurisdiction.

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FIFY

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Finally. He said what Sam has been saying the entire time... the courts have jurisdiction.

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FIFY

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"For "core habeas petitions," "jurisdiction lies in only one district: the district of confinement.""

You were wrong.

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