Federal Judge blocks Trump from deporting illegal alien gang members

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Incredible picture.

How can anyone believe a citizen of El Salvador, an established gang banger in our country illegally…….

is entitled to a 'home' in Maryland ?

Just can't fathom such naivety.


He's not entitled to a home in Maryland, just a hearing before deportation
You mean the ones he already had don't count, including the appeals court decision that he could be deported?
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With the progressives past immigration hearings and appeals are not enough. They always require another step or we are tyrants denying rights to some decided victim, even if they are illegals who commit criminal acts after they broke into our country illegally. It is not enough that we gave millions free undeserved benefits after breaking into the country, but now we have to tie up the courts and have a judge decide that it is ok to throw them the heck out of the country. I find it funny that none of these progressives, these district court judges, Supreme Court Judges or any on the left uttered one single word when we watched videos day after day after day showing several thousand miscreants, thieves and murderers flood into our country every day for four years. I did not see any of those millions go through one hearing to get in. They just signed their name, got an asylum hearing date three years out, and were released into the country by judges who said it was cruel to hold them in custody until that hearing date which was if I am not mistaken required by past law.

It has gotten so bad that we have a sitting Senator go to El Salvador to get an illegal and gang member who we deported, returned to the United States even though he is a citizen of El Salvador and not a citizen of the United States. And he won't even deal with the mother of a mother of five who was murdered by an illegal MS-13 gang member who is his legal constituent in Maryland.

Have we got problems or what. What do we do with folks that give more rights to illegal alien lawbreakers than law abiding American citizens? You make the call.
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Osodecentx said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:




Incredible picture.

How can anyone believe a citizen of El Salvador, an established gang banger in our country illegally…….

is entitled to a 'home' in Maryland ?

Just can't fathom such naivety.


He's not entitled to a home in Maryland, just a hearing before deportation


He had two. Bye bye *****.
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He's not coming back. I'm OK with this wartime law being used to deport gang members, but generally due process must be followed. It is true that due process is cumbersome, and will limit how many can be deported. But it just has to be that way. I've railed on Congress for decades about their inaction on the border.

The only way something could be done quickly, is if Congress did it. That might just happen in Trump's second year. I don't think they want something like that interfering with the tax cuts and deregulation.
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I don't think he's a gang member, but he was caught hanging out with a known gang member. That's a serious concern.

I don't think he was human trafficking either, but it does seem he most likely was moving illegal immigrants from one part of the country to another. If you want to call it human trafficking, I won't split hairs.

On at least one occasion he hit his wife so hard it drew blood and she filed a police report. This dude is not a nice guy.

That said, due process has to be followed and that plane took off before due process was completed.
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Osodecentx said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:




Incredible picture.

How can anyone believe a citizen of El Salvador, an established gang banger in our country illegally…….

is entitled to a 'home' in Maryland ?

Just can't fathom such naivety.


He's not entitled to a home in Maryland, just a hearing before deportation
Honest question.........

Then how was it Biden enabled millions of these illegals to enter our country without being vetted ?
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El Oso said:

I don't think he's a gang member, but he was caught hanging out with a known gang member. That's a serious concern.

I don't think he was human trafficking either, but it does seem he most likely was moving illegal immigrants from one part of the country to another. If you want to call it human trafficking, I won't split hairs.

On at least one occasion he hit his wife so hard it drew blood and she filed a police report. This dude is not a nice guy.

That said, due process has to be followed and that plane took off before due process was completed.


If you are going to set aside his other court cases and deportation orders and create your own set of facts, why not throw in some charity work with the Boy Scouts or Campfire Girls?
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The DOJ judge wrote that "the evidence shows that [Abrego Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13." In this context, "verified" meant nothing more than that an unidentified informant, for whom the government vouched but whom the alien did not get to cross-examine, told the government he was an MS-13 member.

Because the government offered nothing more than this hearsay claim, the DOJ immigration judge, in straining for corroboration, was reduced to theorizing that Abrego-Garcia's "clothing" could be "an indication of gang affiliation" although the DOJ judge conceded he was "reluctant to give evidentiary weight" to such a dubious consideration.
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Osodecentx said:

The DOJ judge wrote that "the evidence shows that [Abrego Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13." In this context, "verified" meant nothing more than that an unidentified informant, for whom the government vouched but whom the alien did not get to cross-examine, told the government he was an MS-13 member.

Because the government offered nothing more than this hearsay claim, the DOJ immigration judge, in straining for corroboration, was reduced to theorizing that Abrego-Garcia's "clothing" could be "an indication of gang affiliation" although the DOJ judge conceded he was "reluctant to give evidentiary weight" to such a dubious consideration.
Yeah, his tattoos, clothing , associations, and behavior all being related to MS-13 was just one big ol coincidence. Poor fella.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

Osodecentx said:

The DOJ judge wrote that "the evidence shows that [Abrego Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13." In this context, "verified" meant nothing more than that an unidentified informant, for whom the government vouched but whom the alien did not get to cross-examine, told the government he was an MS-13 member.

Because the government offered nothing more than this hearsay claim, the DOJ immigration judge, in straining for corroboration, was reduced to theorizing that Abrego-Garcia's "clothing" could be "an indication of gang affiliation" although the DOJ judge conceded he was "reluctant to give evidentiary weight" to such a dubious consideration.
Yeah, his tattoos, clothing , associations, and behavior all being related to MS-13 was just one big ol coincidence. Poor fella.


Then the hearing will be a slam dunk for the government
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Redbrickbear said:

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Thank you folks for more documentation that Garcia was in fact a member of MS-13. We have provided you Sam with the sources like judges decisions from two courts, our own justice department, ICE and others. The only ones claiming to my knowledge that Garcia is not an MS-13 member is his wife and family. And of course they would deny it.

Congrats to the posters who said we have millions to remove from our country. With this as an example in just one case, can you imagine how many years or decades it would take to rid ourselves of the illegals who broke into the U.S. and whose asylum claims were bogus. The task would be made impossible by these activist judges. Unlike Sam, who evidently thinks that these judges become even-handed geniuses when they put on a black robe, I believe some of them definitely bring a political agenda that can be shown by their associations and organizations they belonged to before they became judges. Some of them could not answer basic questions about the Constitution during their confirmation hearings in the Senate.

No we don't have the time or the money as a country to drag their removal over years. We spent around 140 Billion per year taking care of millions of illegals who basically broke into our country. We don't have the same country we all grew up in if they are allowed to stay. Therefore they should all be escorted out of the country and told to come in through the legal process as others that respect us have to do. We will gladly accept those deserving folks as fellow citizens.
What your fellow posters are documenting is called guilt by association, a classic tool of authoritarian….


And violent transnational criminal syndicates have often used plausible deniability, innuendo, and dual use symbols to hide their motives and intents

(The Sicilian mob pioneered this stuff centuries ago)




The fascists (aka "Democrats") often use the same mafia tactics. Historic fascists from 100 years ago also used similar tactics.
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Quite the opposite. Granting this kind of due process to gang hangers & terrorists like Garcia endanger us all.
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

Thank you folks for more documentation that Garcia was in fact a member of MS-13. We have provided you Sam with the sources like judges decisions from two courts, our own justice department, ICE and others. The only ones claiming to my knowledge that Garcia is not an MS-13 member is his wife and family. And of course they would deny it.

Congrats to the posters who said we have millions to remove from our country. With this as an example in just one case, can you imagine how many years or decades it would take to rid ourselves of the illegals who broke into the U.S. and whose asylum claims were bogus. The task would be made impossible by these activist judges. Unlike Sam, who evidently thinks that these judges become even-handed geniuses when they put on a black robe, I believe some of them definitely bring a political agenda that can be shown by their associations and organizations they belonged to before they became judges. Some of them could not answer basic questions about the Constitution during their confirmation hearings in the Senate.

No we don't have the time or the money as a country to drag their removal over years. We spent around 140 Billion per year taking care of millions of illegals who basically broke into our country. We don't have the same country we all grew up in if they are allowed to stay. Therefore they should all be escorted out of the country and told to come in through the legal process as others that respect us have to do. We will gladly accept those deserving folks as fellow citizens.
What your fellow posters are documenting is called guilt by association, a classic tool of authoritarian….


And violent transnational criminal syndicates have often used plausible deniability, innuendo, and dual use symbols to hide their motives and intents

(The Sicilian mob pioneered this stuff centuries ago)





Amazing how anyone can attempt to make a 'victim' out of this gang banger.

Did he live in Minneapolis or what ?
Amazing how anyone can fail to see that due process protects us all.


He is not a citizen..

He is not entitled to the same protections as American citizens

He is a illegal immigrate and citizen of El Salvador



Amazing how trolls didn't give a **** about due process when Biden and his freak show administrators encouraged millions of illegals to enter the country without properly vetting them.
I never liked Biden at all. Certainly don't share your fascination with him.

You must love Biden's immigration policies to the point of fetishizing them. In essence you are arguing for giving 10-20 million illegals equal rights to which they are not entitled, effectively keeping them in the US while burdening our infrastructure, harming our economy, & continuing a massive violent crime wave that has claimed far too many victims.

Regardless of all the Leftist talking points & silly rhetoric this is the inevitable result of those policies. Supporting and advocating them is vile and reprehensible. If you really don't want to see these things happen then you must rethink your position. Even if you are "merely trolling" the conclusion is the same.
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Mothra said:

Rarely agree with Sam anymore, but he's right on this one. End result will very likely be this guy gets deported, but certainly even the govt. admitted it made a mistake here, and should have provided him with Due Process.

The prudent thing for the Trump admin to do was to bring the guy back, hold the hearing, and then likely deport him. Instead, the admin gets sidetracked with silly legal battles because it has to fight everything.

He's already had hearings. It's idiotic to bring him back just to deport him again. The judges & politicians demanding his return are insisting both our govt and El Salvador's break the law (in both countries) to facilitate their petty political theater. It's not going to happen and no rational person would want it to.
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Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.
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Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.
Boy, you just lost some credibility with me.
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Osodecentx said:

Wangchung said:

Osodecentx said:

The DOJ judge wrote that "the evidence shows that [Abrego Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13." In this context, "verified" meant nothing more than that an unidentified informant, for whom the government vouched but whom the alien did not get to cross-examine, told the government he was an MS-13 member.

Because the government offered nothing more than this hearsay claim, the DOJ immigration judge, in straining for corroboration, was reduced to theorizing that Abrego-Garcia's "clothing" could be "an indication of gang affiliation" although the DOJ judge conceded he was "reluctant to give evidentiary weight" to such a dubious consideration.
Yeah, his tattoos, clothing , associations, and behavior all being related to MS-13 was just one big ol coincidence. Poor fella.


Then the hearing will be a slam dunk for the government
It sure was. Twice.
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Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.
Boy, you just lost some credibility with me.


Sam couldn't care less about credibility on a free internet message board.

He is merely having fun trolling.
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KaiBear said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.
Boy, you just lost some credibility with me.
Sam couldn't care less about credibility on a free internet message board.

He is merely having fun trolling.
I'm just disappointed in him. I thought JR had stolen his sign-ins or something.
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Assassin said:

KaiBear said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.
Boy, you just lost some credibility with me.
Sam couldn't care less about credibility on a free internet message board.

He is merely having fun trolling.
I'm just disappointed in him. I thought JR had stolen his sign-ins or something.


Miller is a bad guy. Apologies for the length of this article from National Review:

We're all used to implausible spins by White House officials. But White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller has stooped to a new level. An appallingly low one. And he has done so in the disservice of spurring the White House to defy a Supreme Court ruling.

One week ago, in Noem v. Abrego Garcia, the Supreme Court addressed the Trump administration's emergency application to block a district-court order that called for it to "facilitate and effectuate" Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia's return from its concededly unlawful deportation of him to El Salvador. The Court ruled unanimously that the district-court order "properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador." The Court's order states that the "intended scope of the term 'effectuate' in the District Court's order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court's authority." It tells the district court to "clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs." It also states that "the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps."

This isn't complicated stuff. The Court's order (not including the separate statement of Justice Sotomayor) is three paragraphs long, and the operative portion (from which I draw all of my quotations) is one paragraph long. The Trump administration lost unanimously. The only respect in which its application was "granted in part" concerned the original deadline (end of day on April 7) in the challenged order, which had already passed and thus was no longer effective.

Yes, the Court said that the district court "should clarify" the term effectuate "with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs." But that statement says nothing about what "due regard" consists of, and it therefore does not speak to which definitions of effectuate would show due regard and which wouldn't. Further, the district judge immediately rendered the matter moot by revising her order to drop the term effectuate. (No, she did not thereby disobey the Court's order. The only intelligent reading of that order is that if the district judge were to continue to order the Trump administration to effectuate Abrego Garcia's return, she should clarify that term. It would be ludicrous to read the order as directing the judge to continue to use a term that the Court found unclear.)

In President Trump's meeting in the Oval Office on Monday with El Salvador president Nayib Bukele, here's how Miller absurdly summarized the Supreme Court's ruling four days earlier in Noem v. Abrego Garcia:

[(1)]The Supreme Court said the district-court order was unlawful and its main components were reversed 9-0, unanimously…. [(2)] The ruling solely stated that if this individual, at El Salvador's sole discretion, were sent back to our country, that we could deport him a second time.

On (1): The Court did not say that the district-court order was unlawful. On the contrary, it left that order in effect, with a request for clarification on effectuate.

On (2): The ruling states that the district-court order "properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador." Miller's assertion about what the ruling "solely stated" is ridiculous.

And here was Miller that same day on Fox News, with my italicized comments in brackets:

First, we won the Supreme Court case. Clearly. Nine-zero. [EW: Nope, you lost. Unanimously.]

A District court judge said unconscionably that the President and his administration have to go into El Salvador and extradite one of their citizens, an El Salvadorean citizen. [EW: The district judge never said anything remotely like this. She left entirely to the discretion of the Administration what steps it should take to comply with her order.]

So that would be kidnapping. That we have to kidnap an El Salvadorean citizen against the will of his government and fly him back to America. Which would be an unimaginable act and an invasion of El Salvador sovereignty. [EW: More delusional fantasizing about what the court actually ordered.]

So we appealed to the Supreme Court and it said clearly: No district court can compel the President to exercise his Article II foreign powers in any way whatsoever. [EW: The Court didn't say that. The proposition may well be right, depending on how narrowly you construe it. But Miller routinely invokes that proposition very broadly. On any defensible understanding, it wouldn't resolve this dispute.]

DOJ called me after that Supreme Court ruling and they said, "This is amazing. We won this case nine- zero. We are in excellent standing here." [EW: I don't believe that there is any attorney at DOJ who is so incompetent.]

So this has been portrayed wrong for 72 hours in the media. [EW: It is difficult to imagine that any mainstream media portrayal has been remotely as wrong as Miller's.]

They said the most a court could ever compel you to do would be to facilitate return. Which would basically mean if El Salvador voluntarily sends him back, we wouldn't block him at the airport. We would put him back into ICE detention and then he would be deported either back to El Salvador or somewhere else. The Supreme Court said that is the most the government can be expected to do. [EW: Again, the ruling states that the district-court order "properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador."]

If the White House is going to refuse to accept and abide by its losses on emergency applications, the Supreme Court might well decide to summarily reject those applications.
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Assassin said:

KaiBear said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.
Boy, you just lost some credibility with me.
Sam couldn't care less about credibility on a free internet message board.

He is merely having fun trolling.
I'm just disappointed in him. I thought JR had stolen his sign-ins or something.


Nothing to be disappointed about.

This is all in fun.

A harmless time waster.
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Osodecentx said:

Wangchung said:

Osodecentx said:

The DOJ judge wrote that "the evidence shows that [Abrego Garcia] is a verified member of MS-13." In this context, "verified" meant nothing more than that an unidentified informant, for whom the government vouched but whom the alien did not get to cross-examine, told the government he was an MS-13 member.

Because the government offered nothing more than this hearsay claim, the DOJ immigration judge, in straining for corroboration, was reduced to theorizing that Abrego-Garcia's "clothing" could be "an indication of gang affiliation" although the DOJ judge conceded he was "reluctant to give evidentiary weight" to such a dubious consideration.
Yeah, his tattoos, clothing , associations, and behavior all being related to MS-13 was just one big ol coincidence. Poor fella.


Then the hearing will be a slam dunk for the government


Yes it was.
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Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:


Miller is a straight up racist and a sociopath. If he weren't getting paid to lie, he would lie just for the fun of it.


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