Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

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Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gang members are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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Miller said that it is El Salvador's decision that he will stay confirmed, as he is considered a terrorist in El Salvador by El Salvador

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Right. That's not true.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

---

I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

---

But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

---

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

---

I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

---

But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

---

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

---

I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

---

But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

---

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

---

I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

---

But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

---

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

---

We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

---

I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

---

But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

---

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

---

Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

---

We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

---

Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

---

El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

---

The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

---

If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

---

Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

---

The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

---

I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

---

But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

---

https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

---

Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

---

We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

---

Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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gtownbear said:

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

---

See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

---

Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

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What's most disturbing isn't the fact that you're wrong. It's the fact that if you were right, any citizen or noncitizen could be "mistakenly" sent to a foreign prison camp without a hearing and you'd be just fine with it.

Republicans in the Trump era are no longer conservatives or constitutionalists. You're defending dictatorship, plain and simple.

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

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Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

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What's most disturbing isn't the fact that you're wrong. It's the fact that if you were right, any citizen or noncitizen could be "mistakenly" sent to a foreign prison camp without a hearing and you'd be just fine with it.

Republicans in the Trump era are no longer conservatives or constitutionalists. You're defending dictatorship, plain and simple.

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Now you're off in imagination land. I could easily play your imagination game and ponder if Garcia had merely lied about being in danger if he were to be deported back to his home country just to game our system and stay beyond his deportation order. Seems more likely than Trump planning to deport citizens and imprison them on foreign soil. Garcia had not one but TWO separate hearings in his time here. It's not our responsibility to find a nice landing spot for violent criminal illegal aliens once we deport them.

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

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Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

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What's most disturbing isn't the fact that you're wrong. It's the fact that if you were right, any citizen or noncitizen could be "mistakenly" sent to a foreign prison camp without a hearing and you'd be just fine with it.

Republicans in the Trump era are no longer conservatives or constitutionalists. You're defending dictatorship, plain and simple.

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Now you're off in imagination land. I could easily play your imagination game and ponder if Garcia had merely lied about being in danger if he were to be deported back to his home country just to game our system and stay beyond his deportation order. Seems more likely than Trump planning to deport citizens and imprison them on foreign soil. Garcia had not one but TWO separate hearings in his time here. It's not our responsibility to find a nice landing spot for violent criminal illegal aliens once we deport them.

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You're the one off in some fairy tale. It's not like we just dropped Garcia on the beach and he happened to end up in CECOT. We arranged and paid for him to go there. Whether he gamed the system is completely irrelevant. The withholding order stands because neither Trump nor anyone else ever appealed it. And don't ask me whether Trump wants to deport and imprison citizens on foreign soil. Just ask Trump...he's said so repeatedly and publicly.

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Sam,

First, I do not blur the lines between a U.S. citizen and non-citizen. A U.S. citizen has Constitutional rights by way of that citizenship. Do you think an illegal alien, unvetted, who broke into the U.S. and is a gang member or criminal, has the same Constitutional rights as that U.S. citizen? How about the millions who paid the cartels to get them through the Darian Gap and through Mexico to the U.S.? Most claim asylum. How do we know if they were coached on what to tell our authorities maybe falsely? You see Sam, the problem is millions were just allowed in by the Biden Administration from all over the world without an idea of how to deal with all of them.

There was no system in place to deal with these millions and all of our government subsistence programs meant for our low income American citizens were overwhelmed. You well know hotels were turned into apartments, many small community hospitals especially close to the border were treating illegals and our citizens were left in the back of the line. And Biden did nothing to remedy the problem he created.

You continue to say hearings this and hearings for that. Be specific. What type of hearings for all of these illegals who claimed asylum if you won't allow us to deport them under certain laws and situations claimed by the President and Executive Branch? What courts? How many judges? Who pays for the investigations for these millions or determines if they qualify for asylum? You see it is easy to sit and demand due process, but with these numbers it is not such an easy problem to deal with. How many tens or hundreds of billions are you willing to appropriate from taxpayer money for due process to many lawbreakers?

Surely you know how difficult it is to get a large group to reach some consensus on an issue. And that is why our Founding Fathers gave certain powers to each of the three Branches of Government. And the President, being the only official elected by all of the people was given certain powers as head of the Executive Branch which allowed the country to make fast moves under certain situations to protect the U.S. Thus President Trump's use of the Alien Enemies Act to declare an invasion so he could remove as many of the illegal gang members and criminals as quickly as possible from U.S. soil. I believe he had the right legally to make that decision notwithstanding what some of these radical district court judges and now the latest Supreme Court decision has decided.

So no Sam, I do not believe the rights are the same between American citizens and any of these millions who flooded into our country, nor should they be.

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The first reply to my post is almost exactly what I expected, so thanks for getting it out of the way quickly.

I share many of your concerns about the SPLC and have criticized it in the past. Some of what's in their article, which I didn't quote, may be over-hyped or over-interpreted. But there's more than enough substance, and I've seen no one dispute these facts about Miller.

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1. It needs to be said constantly....the SPLC is a completely dishonest organization

And if you are worried about racism it apparently is a racist organization as well.

[Some employees at the Southern Poverty Law Center say the legendary civil rights nonprofit group suffers from a "systemic culture of racism and sexism within its workplace."

But one of the employees who spoke to CNN alleged the organization suffers from a "pervasive racist culture" and an environment in which a woman is not seen or heard. She also said qualified African-American employees were regularly passed over for promotions including one African-American colleague she describes as brilliant. She added, "My boss only hires white people."]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/index.html

2. You have not shown us anything more than Miller opposes mass migration of 3rd world peoples into the USA (something the majority of Americans support)

The rest is classic guilt by association type stuff

"Look! Someone with non-approved views...and this person knew Miller!"

And the Left of course never applies that biased standard to itself

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The article has Miller himself (not just people he's associated with) supporting racial quotas in immigration. He doesn't just want to "enforce the law." He wants to enforce laws that will Make America White Again.

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I think you mean National quotas...not racial ones

And that was of course American policy for decades....wildly supported by the American voting populace

Quotas on foreign migration based on the population composition of the USA at the time & the pervious places people had already immigrated from.

[The 1924 Immigration Act, also known as the Johnson-Reed Act or National Origins Act, drastically restricted immigration to the United States. It established a quota system

The act set a national quota of 165,000 for immigrants from countries outside the Western Hemisphere. The quota for each country was determined by 2% of the number of people of that nationality who were living in the U.S. in 1890. This effectively favored immigrants from Western and Northern Europe]

England got more immigrant visas than Congo for instance.

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The article specifically lamented the growth of the Hispanic population. Racial quotas have been supported by the public for most of our history. That doesn't change what they are.

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Then you are arguing against the immigration policy that most Americans want and desire (not bringing in people radically different from and members of a far different culture than the current American population)

I have seen this for a long time around immigration debates.....people (often on the Left) moralize the immigration debate

Immigration is NOT a moral issue.....its a cultural and economic issue

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It becomes a moral issue when it leads to illegal policies and immoral treatment.

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But its not "immoral" to decide who gets to become a member of your national community

Quebec for instance favors native French speakers when picking new immigrants/refugees

Israel gives priority to Jewish people.

Singapore generally favors high-skilled immigrants (English speakers and Chinese language speakers are the two priorities)

Etc


Americans wanting recruit new citizens from roughly the national groups that already settled here (and 165,000 from the rest of the world) is not immoral at all

It's a preference policy

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But it BECOMES a moral issue when the people who make decisions based on emotions rather than facts start getting upset.

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MAGA in a nutshell.

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Peewee Herman back from the grave! "I know you are but what am I?"

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You certainly have to see it's true with the hardcore MAGA supporters. I've not seen anyone say they are emotionally detached??? Obviously they are very emotional voters, and the sycophants emotional government appointees.

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No, only one side ignores facts for feelings and it's not the side that is pro life, pro-borders, pro-law enforcement and anti-trans cult.

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Both sides make continual sacrifices of facts to the god of their feelings, just please. Right wing politics may be more rational at the moment, but to act like it's one sided is
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80/20, at BEST, bro.

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It might seem like that to you, but unfortunately it is extremely vocal minorities on both sides that have so much influence. Reasonable people only get to weigh in during votes. Unreasonable zealots are shaping politics every day, and when we vote, they have provided the drop down box of candidates we choose from.

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I can keep personal insults out of our discussions on the issue. Both sides have strong feelings. I believe the country is at stake over whether all these individuals who broke in stay or get deported. I am not ashamed to be for the rule of law. And all of them broke it in my mind, many with the encouragement and help from the Biden Administration. We are experiencing lawfare by radical judges who just got emboldened by seven Supreme Court Justices. Who can end this power grab by the Judicial Branch over the Executive and Legislative Branch to maintain the separation of powers as we have always known it? I am sure it will be proven that the Supreme Court should have stepped in and stopped these injunctions from district court judges in areas normally assumed by the Executive Branch and President. Sadly they did the opposite. Have you ever thought what will happen if we allow these criminal illegals to stay in the country or allow hearings where the government has to show evidence on millions of criminal aliens? Maybe we can hold their hearings on Amy Coney Barrett's front porch!

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The Supreme Court is simply saying due process must be followed. In other words, the law. Why would you say you believe in the rule of law, but want Trump to be ignoring the law?

We can debate whether these people should be here or not, but once they are here, they are afforded due process and protection. It is something that makes America great, and I am always astounded that right wing zealots don't see that.

I don't think any of you truly believe these people have no rights. I think there is just some logical disconnect happening.

First, you may consider me a right wing zealot but I can assure you that neither my friends nor I would agree with that assessment. What I cannot believe is the length that folks on the left will go to defend gang members and hardened criminals who victimize American citizens. How is the country served by these bad characters remaining in the country?

If we cannot remove these criminals on some fast track, we will never remove any of the rest. Is that the goal? So you tell me the court that these millions go to so they can get their "due process". Please don't say the immigration courts that are three to five years behind schedule. I would think that a Presidential designation of an invasion which is a threat to the country should be sufficient to deport the gang members and criminals who are illegals at the very least.

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First, I do not blur the lines between a U.S. citizen and non-citizen. A U.S. citizen has Constitutional rights by way of that citizenship. Do you think an illegal alien, unvetted, who broke into the U.S. and is a gang member or criminal, has the same Constitutional rights as that U.S. citizen? How about the millions who paid the cartels to get them through the Darian Gap and through Mexico to the U.S.? Most claim asylum. How do we know if they were coached on what to tell our authorities maybe falsely? You see Sam, the problem is millions were just allowed in by the Biden Administration from all over the world without an idea of how to deal with all of them.

There was no system in place to deal with these millions and all of our government subsistence programs meant for our low income American citizens were overwhelmed. You well know hotels were turned into apartments, many small community hospitals especially close to the border were treating illegals and our citizens were left in the back of the line. And Biden did nothing to remedy the problem he created.

You continue to say hearings this and hearings for that. Be specific. What type of hearings for all of these illegals who claimed asylum if you won't allow us to deport them under certain laws and situations claimed by the President and Executive Branch? What courts? How many judges? Who pays for the investigations for these millions or determines if they qualify for asylum? You see it is easy to sit and demand due process, but with these numbers it is not such an easy problem to deal with. How many tens or hundreds of billions are you willing to appropriate from taxpayer money for due process to many lawbreakers?

Surely you know how difficult it is to get a large group to reach some consensus on an issue. And that is why our Founding Fathers gave certain powers to each of the three Branches of Government. And the President, being the only official elected by all of the people was given certain powers as head of the Executive Branch which allowed the country to make fast moves under certain situations to protect the U.S. Thus President Trump's use of the Alien Enemies Act to declare an invasion so he could remove as many of the illegal gang members and criminals as quickly as possible from U.S. soil. I believe he had the right legally to make that decision notwithstanding what some of these radical district court judges and now the latest Supreme Court decision has decided.

So no Sam, I do not believe the rights are the same between American citizens and any of these millions who flooded into our country, nor should they be.

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

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Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

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What's most disturbing isn't the fact that you're wrong. It's the fact that if you were right, any citizen or noncitizen could be "mistakenly" sent to a foreign prison camp without a hearing and you'd be just fine with it.

Republicans in the Trump era are no longer conservatives or constitutionalists. You're defending dictatorship, plain and simple.

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Now you're off in imagination land. I could easily play your imagination game and ponder if Garcia had merely lied about being in danger if he were to be deported back to his home country just to game our system and stay beyond his deportation order. Seems more likely than Trump planning to deport citizens and imprison them on foreign soil. Garcia had not one but TWO separate hearings in his time here. It's not our responsibility to find a nice landing spot for violent criminal illegal aliens once we deport them.

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You're the one off in some fairy tale. It's not like we just dropped Garcia on the beach and he happened to end up in CECOT. We arranged and paid for him to go there. Whether he gamed the system is completely irrelevant. The withholding order stands because neither Trump nor anyone else ever appealed it. And don't ask me whether Trump wants to deport and imprison citizens on foreign soil. Just ask Trump...he's said so repeatedly and publicly.

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Fantasy land. Garcia was ordered deported. The previous president (well, his puppeteers, really) intentionally flooded the country with over 20,000,000 illegals. This caused a huge issue in lack of resources to properly handle all the people who illegally came into the U.S. so one wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling MS-13 member was accidentally sent to his home country when he previously lied to get a motion to keep him from being sent back home. That in no way means Trump is going to send US citizens to foreign countries for prison.
Trump talks big. Normal people take him seriously, partisan hacks take him literally so they can do exactly what you're doing and excuse yourself for believing anything you can imagine is, or will become, true. But that's just your imagination. Garcia had two hearings. He was ordered out of the U.S.. He is now in his home country. His prison sentence is so harsh he is allowed civilian clothes and media brunches. Your boy Biden's plans to flood the country and then laugh as we try to adjudicate each individual back out again has failed. THAT is why you and the rest of the left are acting so deranged over this violent wife beating gang member, not because you give one damn about the constitution. We watched your behavior and excuses during Biden, we KNOW you don't care about the constitution.

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

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Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gang members are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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You are truly turning into JR. Very sad.

Read this thread through to understand exactly what happened with the SCOTUS and the Illegal Aliens

"The Supreme Court bypassed normal appellate procedure to halt President Trump's deportation of more illegal aliens.

There a lot of misinformation floating around about judicial rulings, the Alien Enemies Act, and immigration law.

Let's clear a few things up"

The Supreme Court bypassed normal appellate procedure to halt President Trump's deportation of more illegal aliens.

There a lot of misinformation floating around about judicial rulings, the Alien Enemies Act, and immigration law.

Let's clear a few things up.🧵

— Eric Schmitt (@Eric_Schmitt) April 22, 2025

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

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Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

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What's most disturbing isn't the fact that you're wrong. It's the fact that if you were right, any citizen or noncitizen could be "mistakenly" sent to a foreign prison camp without a hearing and you'd be just fine with it.

Republicans in the Trump era are no longer conservatives or constitutionalists. You're defending dictatorship, plain and simple.

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Now you're off in imagination land. I could easily play your imagination game and ponder if Garcia had merely lied about being in danger if he were to be deported back to his home country just to game our system and stay beyond his deportation order. Seems more likely than Trump planning to deport citizens and imprison them on foreign soil. Garcia had not one but TWO separate hearings in his time here. It's not our responsibility to find a nice landing spot for violent criminal illegal aliens once we deport them.

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You're the one off in some fairy tale. It's not like we just dropped Garcia on the beach and he happened to end up in CECOT. We arranged and paid for him to go there. Whether he gamed the system is completely irrelevant. The withholding order stands because neither Trump nor anyone else ever appealed it. And don't ask me whether Trump wants to deport and imprison citizens on foreign soil. Just ask Trump...he's said so repeatedly and publicly.

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Fantasy land. Garcia was ordered deported. The previous president (well, his puppeteers, really) intentionally flooded the country with over 20,000,000 illegals. This caused a huge issue in lack of resources to properly handle all the people who illegally came into the U.S. so one wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling MS-13 member was accidentally sent to his home country when he previously lied to get a motion to keep him from being sent back home. That in no way means Trump is going to send US citizens to foreign countries for prison.
Trump talks big. Normal people take him seriously, partisan hacks take him literally so they can do exactly what you're doing and excuse yourself for believing anything you can imagine is, or will become, true. But that's just your imagination. Garcia had two hearings. He was ordered out of the U.S.. He is now in his home country. His prison sentence is so harsh he is allowed civilian clothes and media brunches. Your boy Biden's plans to flood the country and then laugh as we try to adjudicate each individual back out again has failed. THAT is why you and the rest of the left are acting so deranged over this violent wife beating gang member, not because you give one damn about the constitution. We watched your behavior and excuses during Biden, we KNOW you don't care about the constitution.

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I'm not sure what any of this has to do with me. If you want to use Biden to justify your own contempt for the Constitution, you should probably talk to someone who supported Biden.

The "seriously but not literally" mantra is tired. Trump doesn't even pretend he's joking any more. He's just waiting for the shock value to wear off. It's what fascists do.

IT's about time the ACLU was declared a legal terrorist organization

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Should we take that seriously or literally?

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IT's about time the ACLU was declared a legal terrorist organization

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Should we take that seriously or literally?

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Did you read this?

The Supreme Court bypassed normal appellate procedure to halt President Trump's deportation of more illegal aliens.

There a lot of misinformation floating around about judicial rulings, the Alien Enemies Act, and immigration law.

Let's clear a few things up.🧵

— Eric Schmitt (@Eric_Schmitt) April 22, 2025

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Actually if you look at the facts, President Trump has always abided by court decisions in his first term, throughout all the lawfare while running for the second term, and now as President in his second term. He was never bashful about expressing his opinion of the judges or the opinions but he always followed the court decisions.

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See Assassin's post from a few hours ago:

Quote:

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Stephen Miller comes on and lets everyone know that El Salvador considers Garcia a terrorist in his own country and he will stay confined.

---

Said in blatant defiance of the courts.

You are supporting a proudly and unabashedly lawless administration.

Sorry, that's the truth.

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El Salvador isn't a state. Yet. Edit #2; your side lives to play the technicalities game, and always want to deny and ignore the wink and nod collusion that we point out when statute of limitations are changed, stories are censored from news and social media, and general lawfare. Well guess what? Now we have the technicality on OUR side and it's you who wants US to acknowledge the wink and nod collusion going on. Well suck it up, buttercup, and get used to it. Ya got three years and 8 months to go.

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The implications will last a lot longer than a few years. I would be on the side that applies the law equally in all cases, but I'm not sure any such side exists at this point. Like I said, enjoy your police state. It's not going anywhere.

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If the implications are a controlled border and less violent illegal alien gang members in the country then I guess we will just have to bite that bullet.

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Violent illegal gangs are your equivalent of scary black guns. No matter how many freedoms you give up, there will never be a day when your masters don't have you cowering at the mention of them.

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The black guns that you find scary are a right enshrined in our constitution to help protect the citizens of this country from a tyrannical government. Your illegal alien gangs are nowhere to be found in the constitution, amendments or otherwise. No freedoms were given up by deporting the violent, wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling Ms-13 member who had two separate hearings before being deported.

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I'm not scared of any of our constitutional rights. That's the difference between me and all of you who are afraid America will burn to the ground if we grant due process to illegals.

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But no one is making that argument. Isn't that a relief? It should be.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/149829

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Yep. Great thread. I suggest you actually read it. The parts that detail Garcia's two hearings that ended with him receiving a deportation order are especially pertinent here.

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We both know there was a deportation order. We know there was also a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador. We know the government admitted his deportation was illegal, yet you feign ignorance. Why?

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Ah, but we also both know he was sent to El Salvador by mistake, not policy, so all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about ceding rights away is pointless. Nothing to be done now, as he couldn't come back to the US legally. Only option is to beg Bukele to free him and then deport him from El Salvador to another country. Is that the due process you seek? Because that's the only option here.

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We are paying Bukele to keep him there temporarily. He is in our custody just as much as any federal prisoner held in a private, state, or municipal jail in the US. He absolutely can and should be brought back legally any time we order it.

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Nope. He is on the sovereign soil of his own nation. We paid Bukele to take the rest of the gang members, sure, and it worked out perfectly. Less violent criminal gang members in the U.S. Garcia's bad luck comes directly from many bad decisions he himself made. It's merely by sheer luck that he gets to be the flavor of the week token of democrats virtue signaling and tool in their attempts at lawfare against the Trump administration.

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What's most disturbing isn't the fact that you're wrong. It's the fact that if you were right, any citizen or noncitizen could be "mistakenly" sent to a foreign prison camp without a hearing and you'd be just fine with it.

Republicans in the Trump era are no longer conservatives or constitutionalists. You're defending dictatorship, plain and simple.

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Now you're off in imagination land. I could easily play your imagination game and ponder if Garcia had merely lied about being in danger if he were to be deported back to his home country just to game our system and stay beyond his deportation order. Seems more likely than Trump planning to deport citizens and imprison them on foreign soil. Garcia had not one but TWO separate hearings in his time here. It's not our responsibility to find a nice landing spot for violent criminal illegal aliens once we deport them.

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You're the one off in some fairy tale. It's not like we just dropped Garcia on the beach and he happened to end up in CECOT. We arranged and paid for him to go there. Whether he gamed the system is completely irrelevant. The withholding order stands because neither Trump nor anyone else ever appealed it. And don't ask me whether Trump wants to deport and imprison citizens on foreign soil. Just ask Trump...he's said so repeatedly and publicly.

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Fantasy land. Garcia was ordered deported. The previous president (well, his puppeteers, really) intentionally flooded the country with over 20,000,000 illegals. This caused a huge issue in lack of resources to properly handle all the people who illegally came into the U.S. so one wife beating, drug dealing, human smuggling MS-13 member was accidentally sent to his home country when he previously lied to get a motion to keep him from being sent back home. That in no way means Trump is going to send US citizens to foreign countries for prison.
Trump talks big. Normal people take him seriously, partisan hacks take him literally so they can do exactly what you're doing and excuse yourself for believing anything you can imagine is, or will become, true. But that's just your imagination. Garcia had two hearings. He was ordered out of the U.S.. He is now in his home country. His prison sentence is so harsh he is allowed civilian clothes and media brunches. Your boy Biden's plans to flood the country and then laugh as we try to adjudicate each individual back out again has failed. THAT is why you and the rest of the left are acting so deranged over this violent wife beating gang member, not because you give one damn about the constitution. We watched your behavior and excuses during Biden, we KNOW you don't care about the constitution.

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I'm not sure what any of this has to do with me. If you want to use Biden to justify your own contempt for the Constitution, you should probably talk to someone who supported Biden.

The "seriously but not literally" mantra is tired. Trump doesn't even pretend he's joking any more. He's just waiting for the shock value to wear off. It's what fascists do.

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You're tired of hearing it because it's true and strikes to the very core of your irrational, emotional beliefs about Trump.
You're the perfect person to reference when discussion is concerning supporters and defenders of the Biden administration and where those actions have led us to today. Trying to gaslight about your constant defense of Biden and democrats won't help you with anyone that's posted here for longer than 6 months.

Black Community News on Trump, Biden and Illegal Aliens

Let's talk more about breaking laws. Sam, how about all the politicians running sanctuary cities and states that refuse to honor laws on the books that require them to turn over illegals to ICE when those cities have these people in custody? Or judges doing the same thing. Aiding the criminal illegals against our own law enforcement like ICE? Should they all be held for breaking our laws? Or since they are all on your side, is it just something we need to dismiss and let go? You people are such hypocrites.

This puts so many innocent folks in harms way and none of you on the left say one darn thing about examples like this. Shame on you for taking the wrong side again as usual.

"Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden."

I've never seen so much Biden love in one place.

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"Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden."

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It's almost like the actions of the previous administration have a direct affect on the actions needed to be taken by the current administration, huh? Crazy to think Trump would campaign on fixing the issues caused by the Biden administration and then when Trump wins and starts doing just that and democrats like yourself start complaining, the rest of us remind you exactly WHY Trump is making such moves. You were told while Biden was still in office what Trump planned to do and why. Your pretend confusion here is laughable.

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"Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden."

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"Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden."

I've never seen so much Biden love in one place.

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It's almost like the actions of the previous administration have a direct affect on the actions needed to be taken by the current administration, huh? Crazy to think Trump would campaign on fixing the issues caused by the Biden administration and then when Trump wins and starts doing just that and democrats like yourself start complaining, the rest of us remind you exactly WHY Trump is making such moves. You were told while Biden was still in office what Trump planned to do and why. Your pretend confusion here is laughable.

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Who's confused? Trump said he would act like a dictator, and so he is. The only thing I'm pretending to be confused about is why you like it so much. If I'm honest, it's no surprise. Most of y'all showed your true colors on J6.

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"Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden."

I've never seen so much Biden love in one place.

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It's almost like the actions of the previous administration have a direct affect on the actions needed to be taken by the current administration, huh? Crazy to think Trump would campaign on fixing the issues caused by the Biden administration and then when Trump wins and starts doing just that and democrats like yourself start complaining, the rest of us remind you exactly WHY Trump is making such moves. You were told while Biden was still in office what Trump planned to do and why. Your pretend confusion here is laughable.

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Who's confused? Trump said he would act like a dictator, and so he is. The only thing I'm pretending to be confused about is why you like it so much. If I'm honest, it's no surprise. Most of y'all showed your true colors on J6.

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You. You're surprised that we mention Biden when discussing what Trump is doing with violent criminal illegal alien gang members. You're either lying or too stupid to accept the fact that the wife beating, human smuggling, drug dealing MS-13 member got his due process, twice, and thanks to the 20,000,000 illegals Biden guided into our country your guy Garcia was swept up with the rest that were to be sent back to their home country of El Salvador. You whine about January 6th as if we don't remember the 8 months of violence you democrats committed and cheered in the name of dead violent criminals. Hey, noticing the pattern yet? Now your side is terrorizing Tesla owners and burning dealerships. By all metrics you are EXACTLY what you profess to hate. That's really your most redeeming contribution to these conversations; the humor we see in your blind hypocrisy and willful ignorance

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"Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden Biden."

I've never seen so much Biden love in one place.

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It's almost like the actions of the previous administration have a direct affect on the actions needed to be taken by the current administration, huh? Crazy to think Trump would campaign on fixing the issues caused by the Biden administration and then when Trump wins and starts doing just that and democrats like yourself start complaining, the rest of us remind you exactly WHY Trump is making such moves. You were told while Biden was still in office what Trump planned to do and why. Your pretend confusion here is laughable.

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Who's confused? Trump said he would act like a dictator, and so he is. The only thing I'm pretending to be confused about is why you like it so much. If I'm honest, it's no surprise. Most of y'all showed your true colors on J6.

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You. You're surprised that we mention Biden when discussing what Trump is doing with violent criminal illegal alien gang members. You're either lying or too stupid to accept the fact that the wife beating, human smuggling, drug dealing MS-13 member got his due process, twice, and thanks to the 20,000,000 illegals Biden guided into our country your guy Garcia was swept up with the rest that were to be sent back to their home country of El Salvador. You whine about January 6th as if we don't remember the 8 months of violence you democrats committed and cheered in the name of dead violent criminals. Hey, noticing the pattern yet? Now your side is terrorizing Tesla owners and burning dealerships. By all metrics you are EXACTLY what you profess to hate. That's really your most redeeming contribution to these conversations; the humor we see in your blind hypocrisy and willful ignorance

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I'm not surprised that you squeal "Biden!" whenever you run out of arguments. Or lie and say that I cheered for vandals and rioters. I'm not even surprised that you think you're smarter than all nine justices of the high Court, who regardless of their politics all agreed that due process was lacking. Par for the course in every instance. You attribute blind partisanship to me and others because you can't help it. It's all you understand.