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Obama deporting without due process, from the ACLU. 75% of his deportees got the boot without due process

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The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.

A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process. Nonjudicial removals violate our constitutional tradition and cannot be reconciled with an administration that has repeatedly stated its commitment to immigration reform.

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https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama

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Also not illegal. They are probably right that the law needs to be changed.

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One of my questions relating to current judicial decisions over President Trump's policy decisions versus judicial decisions over past Presidential decisions. For exam

ple, how did President Obama manage to deport over 2,000,000 illegal aliens during his presidency without anyone raising any concerns about due process or civil rights, etc.? I was actually shocked to learn that he had deported so many illegals. Were you? And I don't recall the injunctions by so many district judges during earlier presidential terms questioning how they ran their Executive Branch. So why now?

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It's almost as if Obama followed the law and Trump didn't.

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Except...

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/immigration-2/lost-in-detention/obama-official-defends-controversial-immigration-policies/

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I don't see anything there about breaking the law. They are criticizing some of his policies.

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Secure Communities is a high-tech information-sharing program between Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and local law enforcement. But critics, including three Democratic state governors, say the program is detaining and deporting low-level offenders or people without criminal records, contrary to the administration's stated goal [PDF] of deporting only "aliens who are convicted of a serious criminal offense." Muñoz addresses the criticism:

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That's not illegal.

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Please read the ACLU story from only 11 years ago, for your perusal;

Under today's removal system, only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge. These judges, employed by the Justice Department, are experts in immigration law. They conduct formal court hearings where they hear live witnesses, review documentary evidence, and evaluate applications for immigration relief.

By contrast, nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by the Department of Homeland Security ("DHS"), sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal have no lawyer and no chance to appeal.

The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.

A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process. Nonjudicial removals violate our constitutional tradition and cannot be reconciled with an administration that has repeatedly stated its commitment to immigration reform.

I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

Armed Home Raids under Obama

The AFL-CIO has consistently urged the Obama administration to designate those fleeing violence in Central America as "refugees," and to honor its legal commitments to ensure that individuals who are eligible for protective status will not be returned to danger. Instead, the shameful response of our government has been to erode due process protections by expediting legal proceedings and to lock families in remote detention facilities with little access to counsel. Now, in an inexcusable escalation and without any transparency, the Department of Homeland Security has begun conducting armed home raids in order to deport vulnerable women and children back to some of the most dangerous countries in the world.

These devastating and disgraceful raids have instilled fear in communities around the country, tearing hundreds of families apart and causing already traumatized parents to stay home from work and keep their children home from school
https://aflcio.org/2016/1/6/obama-administrations-crackdown-immigrants-ignores-due-process-and-creates-communities

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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The flaw in your assumption is that TDSers and regressives respect the rule of law. All that matters is who is doing what.

Remember when Reuters ran the story feigning outrage about "kids in cages" and then suddenly retracted it when they realized the information and story happened under Obama.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the ICE officers and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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Yeah, but since your side was quiet and even supportive of Obama's actions we are just going to laugh off your protestations now.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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Yeah, but since your side was quiet and even supportive of Obama's actions we are just going to laugh off your protestations now.

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My side voted for Trump to succeed Obama.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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Yeah, but since your side was quiet and even supportive of Obama's actions we are just going to laugh off your protestations now.

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My side voted for Trump to succeed Obama.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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Yeah, but since your side was quiet and even supportive of Obama's actions we are just going to laugh off your protestations now.

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Too disgusted to laugh at the left's continual hypocrisy.

Safe within their gated communities; they play their little debating games while other, less fortunate Americans get killed, raped or robbed.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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Yeah, but since your side was quiet and even supportive of Obama's actions we are just going to laugh off your protestations now.

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My side voted for Trump to succeed Obama.

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I don't believe you. I think you know it's not all partisan. You know there are legit concerns with Trump, but you have no answer for them.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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He did give them due process, according to the law. I was concerned about other lawless acts, like IRS-gate and obstruction of Congress.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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He did give them due process, according to the law. I was concerned about other lawless acts, like IRS-gate and obstruction of Congress.

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He gave them the same due process that Trump gave them, a border exit. 75% of his deportees did not get any due process

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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He did give them due process, according to the law. I was concerned about other lawless acts, like IRS-gate and obstruction of Congress.

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He gave them the same due process that Trump gave them, a border exit. 75% of his deportees did not get any due process

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The Supreme Court has held that expedited removal doesn't violate due process. It has also held that at least some of Trump's policies do. And Trump has blatantly refused to comply. So no, it's not the same.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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He did give them due process, according to the law. I was concerned about other lawless acts, like IRS-gate and obstruction of Congress.

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He gave them the same due process that Trump gave them, a border exit. 75% of his deportees did not get any due process

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The Supreme Court has held that expedited removal doesn't violate due process. It has also held that at least some of Trump's policies do. And Trump has blatantly refused to comply. So no, it's not the same.

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Trump is trying to do expedited removal. What is different?

Funny when Sam resorts to straight-up lying.

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I simply dont understand his point. ACLU says that Obama did not give Due Process to 75% of the folks he deported. Why cant Trump give the criminal illegal aliens, members of terrorist groups, swift boot out the door?

He gave them the same due process that Trump gave them, a border exit. 75% of his deportees did not get any due process

And don't forget what Trump got. In his first term, the entire intelligence community lied about Russia connections to investigate and impeach him twice. In between terms numerous State Attorney Generals and local District Attorneys filed numerous lawsuits against him forcing him to appear in courthouses all over the country on made up charges that he had to spend a fortune to fend off. When that did not work the Secret Service allowed a building a short distance from the stage at a rally to go unprotected and someone or more tried to kill him. A ten year old would have known to place someone on that roof. And now in his second term, we have all the radical judges come out of the woodwork and issue injunction after injunction over everything from deporting illegals, to saving taxpayers money, to reorganizing the Executive agencies and departments.

I frankly don't know another human who could have or would have put up with this type of political abuse, most of it illegal. Still we have those who have nothing but criticism for every damn thing he does. His crime is going against the deep state thieves who have ripped us taxpayers off for four or five decades and left us with the national debt bill of 36 Billion Dollars, and to make decisions to help grow the middle class that has been decimated by elected officials who only care about enriching themselves at the expense of others.

I gladly stand with President Trump and Legal Americans. To hell with the freeloaders and illegal aliens who broke into our country. Time for all of us to stand up and say ENOUGH!

Please insert 36 Trillion Dollars. My apologies for the error.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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He did give them due process, according to the law. I was concerned about other lawless acts, like IRS-gate and obstruction of Congress.

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He gave them the same due process that Trump gave them, a border exit. 75% of his deportees did not get any due process

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The Supreme Court has held that expedited removal doesn't violate due process. It has also held that at least some of Trump's policies do. And Trump has blatantly refused to comply. So no, it's not the same.

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Trump is trying to do expedited removal. What is different?

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"Expedited removal" isn't just a removal that's expedited. It refers to a specific process under a specific statute. It's not a violation of due process per se, but it can be if the law isn't followed. Trump is also using other statutes with other procedural requirements, some of which he isn't following. Federal courts in DC and now Texas have also held that his use of the Alien Enemies Act is unlawful in itself. Finally, the law prohibits removing anyone to a venue where they are likely to be tortured.

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I read it. They are criticizing the law as it currently is.

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He was deporting criminal illegal aliens using one Border Patrol agent. Just as it should be now. Obama used the same system that other Presidents had done for many years. If you entered the country illegally, you need to leave

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Yes, he was using the same system that presidents used for years and years until Trump came along and claimed unprecedented war powers in peacetime.

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Ignoring "due process" too. 75% of his deportees did not go before an immigration judge, just a Border Security agent before being deported

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You're proving my point. If the law provides too much or not enough process, you change the law. That's what the liberal ACLU was arguing for. In the home raid case, the liberal SPLC sued the Obama administration and got a settlement. The court system works when we respect it. The problem is that Trump thinks he's above the law.

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Yet Obama got those criminals out of the country, and with it all the crimes they would have made, which has been shown in detail here. How many lives did he save? Wife beating, child beating, rape, murder, molestation, rape of corpse on a subway, setting a sleeping lady on fire in a subway... the list goes on. Let them do that in their own country rather than wait for "due process". Obama knew it, and everyone knew it.

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Obama may have done the bare minimum in terms of due process. Trump won't even do that.

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You have to be kidding. He left it up to a single Border Patrol officer whether they stay in the country or not. And 75% of his deportees did not get your version of 'due process'.

You need to make up your mind. Is the court and an immigration judge the only due process, or is any Border Patrol officer kicking them out due process

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It depends on where they are and how long they've been in the country. They probably don't need a hearing if they just stepped off the boat, so to speak. What's important is that the executive isn't above the law.

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Were you this concerned when Obama didnt give them "due process"?

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He did give them due process, according to the law. I was concerned about other lawless acts, like IRS-gate and obstruction of Congress.

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He gave them the same due process that Trump gave them, a border exit. 75% of his deportees did not get any due process

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The Supreme Court has held that expedited removal doesn't violate due process. It has also held that at least some of Trump's policies do. And Trump has blatantly refused to comply. So no, it's not the same.

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Trump is trying to do expedited removal. What is different?

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"Expedited removal" isn't just a removal that's expedited. It refers to a specific process under a specific statute. It's not a violation of due process per se, but it can be if the law isn't followed. Trump is also using other statutes with other procedural requirements, some of which he isn't following. Federal courts in DC and now Texas have also held that his use of the Alien Enemies Act is unlawful in itself. Finally, the law prohibits removing anyone to a venue where they are likely to be tortured.

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So, what laws are in effect for these illegal aliens to stop torturing us here, killing, raping and maiming? The liberal judges seem to just let them go.

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I simply dont understand his point. ACLU says that Obama did not give Due Process to 75% of the folks he deported. Why cant Trump give the criminal illegal aliens, members of terrorist groups, swift boot out the door?

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That is what's so perverse about Trump's policy. There are plenty of ways to give them a swift boot out the door without violating the law or the rights of innocent people. Trump seems determined to act in the cruelest way possible and with the utmost disregard for the judiciary.

Looks like arrests will be forthcoming for some democrats who evidently assaulted some ICE Agents at the facility in Newark the other day.

🚨DHS confirms Democrat Congress members will be arrested after bodycam footage showed them assaulting officers at a NJ ICE facility:

"There will be arrests. We have bodycam footage of these members of Congress assaulting ICE enforcement officers."
pic.twitter.com/G3vkUsNs1I

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 10, 2025

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Funny when Sam resorts to straight-up lying.

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I simply dont understand his point. ACLU says that Obama did not give Due Process to 75% of the folks he deported. Why cant Trump give the criminal illegal aliens, members of terrorist groups, swift boot out the door?

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That is what's so perverse about Trump's policy. There are plenty of ways to give them a swift boot out the door without violating the law or the rights of innocent people. Trump seems determined to act in the cruelest way possible and with the utmost disregard for the judiciary.

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The cruelest ways? Is there a pleasant way to deport someone?

I mean, he's offering them a plane ticket and $1,000. That's pretty darn nice

They lied about Russia connections to impeach him once. The second time was for engaging in insurrection, so that one is on him. Ditto the election racketeering and theft of classified documents.

I sympathize with the plight of the middle class and worry about the national debt. I just question whether this degenerate is the right man to fix it.

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Funny when Sam resorts to straight-up lying.

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I simply dont understand his point. ACLU says that Obama did not give Due Process to 75% of the folks he deported. Why cant Trump give the criminal illegal aliens, members of terrorist groups, swift boot out the door?

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That is what's so perverse about Trump's policy. There are plenty of ways to give them a swift boot out the door without violating the law or the rights of innocent people. Trump seems determined to act in the cruelest way possible and with the utmost disregard for the judiciary.

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The cruelest ways? Is there a pleasant way to deport someone?

I mean, he's offering them a plane ticket and $1,000. That's pretty darn nice

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More pleasant than CECOT? Most definitely.

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Funny when Sam resorts to straight-up lying.

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I simply dont understand his point. ACLU says that Obama did not give Due Process to 75% of the folks he deported. Why cant Trump give the criminal illegal aliens, members of terrorist groups, swift boot out the door?

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That is what's so perverse about Trump's policy. There are plenty of ways to give them a swift boot out the door without violating the law or the rights of innocent people. Trump seems determined to act in the cruelest way possible and with the utmost disregard for the judiciary.

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The cruelest ways? Is there a pleasant way to deport someone?

I mean, he's offering them a plane ticket and $1,000. That's pretty darn nice

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More pleasant than CECOT? Most definitely.

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Thats for the scumbags. You know, the really illegal aliens. The rest should get a smooth-moving sidewalk back to their home countries, a plane ticket and a grand. What could be nicer? Certainly not cruel