Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

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I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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1. If you are here illegally then you are already subject to being jerked off the street.

2. If you are here illegally then you are returned to your home country.

3. It is the home country that determines if the illegal is to be jailed by whatever process the home country has for making such determinations.

4. Being jailed in your home country is not a foreign prison - that person is now home. An illegal in an American jail is being jailed in a foreign prison.

Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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These have been determined to be criminals by their acts and records. I am a legal citizen and I have not been arrested nor will other legal citizens. But I am not worried about gangbangers and criminals who came in illegally who murder, assault, rape and steal from American Citizens. They invaded illegally and should be deported through Executive Authority. Who determined that they are criminals; what court?

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The countries from which they came.

GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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These have been determined to be criminals by their acts and records. I am a legal citizen and I have not been arrested nor will other legal citizens. But I am not worried about gangbangers and criminals who came in illegally who murder, assault, rape and steal from American Citizens. They invaded illegally and should be deported through Executive Authority. Who determined that they are criminals; what court?

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The countries from which they came.

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This should be enough but the accusation of prior criminal behavior must be proved. It should be an easy thing. There will be a hearing, bring the proof. Then deport

Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

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I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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Are they here illegally?

Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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These have been determined to be criminals by their acts and records. I am a legal citizen and I have not been arrested nor will other legal citizens. But I am not worried about gangbangers and criminals who came in illegally who murder, assault, rape and steal from American Citizens. They invaded illegally and should be deported through Executive Authority. Who determined that they are criminals; what court?

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The ones that have criminal records were convicted of crimes either here or in some other country. In many cases lenient judges gave them probation and they were free to commit more crimes. In other cases the ICE agents were not enforcing deportation orders because of orders from higher command within the leadership of ICE which was run by the Biden Administration. That Administration simply refused to enforce laws that went against their open border policies. They simply tweaked the system to allow the invasion to continue for four years.

President Trump is simply correcting the terrible consequences of that open border policy by sending the illegals back to their home country if possible and to other countries if they are gang members or hardened criminals. He is using the law which allows him to remove many efficiently and in the cheapest manner possible to the taxpayer, you and me.

Osodecentx said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

These have been determined to be criminals by their acts and records. I am a legal citizen and I have not been arrested nor will other legal citizens. But I am not worried about gangbangers and criminals who came in illegally who murder, assault, rape and steal from American Citizens. They invaded illegally and should be deported through Executive Authority. Who determined that they are criminals; what court?

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The countries from which they came.

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This should be enough but the accusation of prior criminal behavior must be proved. It should be an easy thing. There will be a hearing, bring the proof. Then deport

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Why? The home country wants their criminals back so that justice can be served.

Do you think the British, the French, or the Italians would make their government prove that an American living illegally there actually committed murder in America before shipping him/her back or do you think they would take the accusation from the US as justification?

gtownbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

---

Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

These have been determined to be criminals by their acts and records. I am a legal citizen and I have not been arrested nor will other legal citizens. But I am not worried about gangbangers and criminals who came in illegally who murder, assault, rape and steal from American Citizens. They invaded illegally and should be deported through Executive Authority. Who determined that they are criminals; what court?

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The ones that have criminal records were convicted of crimes either here or in some other country. In many cases lenient judges gave them probation and they were free to commit more crimes. In other cases the ICE agents were not enforcing deportation orders because of orders from higher command within the leadership of ICE which was run by the Biden Administration. That Administration simply refused to enforce laws that went against their open border policies. They simply tweaked the system to allow the invasion to continue for four years.

President Trump is simply correcting the terrible consequences of that open border policy by sending the illegals back to their home country if possible and to other countries if they are gang members or hardened criminals. He is using the law which allows him to remove many efficiently and in the cheapest manner possible to the taxpayer, you and me.

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Just prove they were convicted. You trust police to say they were convicted
How hard can it be?

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?

Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.


I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.

As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?

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The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.

I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.

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https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/

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Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.

Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ

Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.

But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.

And the corrupt.

Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!

quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?

Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.


I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.

As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?

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The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.

I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.

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https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/

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Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.

Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ

Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.

But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.

And the corrupt.

Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!

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I would remind you that the guy you say asked for the violence and pardoned the violent asked for everyone to go "peacefully" to the Capital and protest and make their voices heard. And again numerous protesters on January 6 were arrested and kept in jail, many for periods in solitary confinement, for up to two years without trial and denied bail. They were saved by President Trump's second election and his pardons realizing how many of them were overcharged for misdemeanors while denied rights most are afforded without prior criminal records.

Illegal allegedly killed Air Force cadet on Memorial Day:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2025/05/27/grapevine-police-arrest-woman-suspected-in-jet-ski-hit-and-run-death-of-kayaker/

Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

---

I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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LOL the discombobulation of the Democrat mind - they have been scooped up off the street and deported because they've already had their day in court and received a deportation order.

quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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quash said:

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gtownbear said:

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Support for your assertion that Obama deportations were done without due process?

Again, because of the second grade level you're displaying, this is not about one individual.


I would assume he used warrants from Administrative Judges with deportation orders, and other pertinent laws like those caught just entering the country and were allowed to be removed and other means. One thing I am sure of is there were not three million civil trials for all of those Obama removed. The left just never complained because it was a democrat who did the removing rather than President Trump. When the media and the leftist groups whine and complain about an issue constantly in mass, it can bring real focus to something that otherwise would not be there, would you not agree.

As to the constant due process mantra I would ask about the January 6 defendants who the FBI spent an insane amount of time studying tens of thousands of hours of video to hunt down anyone at the Capital that day, and the Justice Department would bundle the infractions to increase jail time to years over minor misdemeanors in many cases. Furthermore, they denied many decent folks their civil rights and "due process" by keeping them in jail for up to two years awaiting trial in the seedy Washington D.C. jails. I don't recall any of you that complain about the unfair treatment of illegals who broke into the United States saying one thing about the unreasonable denial of those January 6 protesters due process rights. And they are American Citizens. Or did I miss it somehow?

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The pardoned violent insurrectionists received due process. If it helps I'll give a short layman's version of due process: notice and an opportunity to be heard.

I am absolutely befuddled by your objection to exactly how law enforcement and prosecution works. Hours of investigative work followed by charges. Bundling infractions? Yeah, that's called a charging instrument and such bundling happens on a daily basis in every DA's office in the country.

---

https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/

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Nothing biased about this, just a reporter who doesn't understand how our legal system works.
To address just one obvious bull**** claim: Defendant X didn't get most of the 41,000 hours of video. Oh noes.

Defendant X doesn't appear in all of that footage. EZ

Will some get reversals or remands? Probably some. I mean there's a thousand plus.

But we'll never know because the guy that asked for the violence pardoned the violent.

And the corrupt.

Anyone with $/influence/MAGA leanings. Sad!

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What world do you live in? Is it a place that you created through meditation and sacrifice or is it some sort of chemically induced Elysian Fields?

GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

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I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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1. If you are here illegally then you are already subject to being jerked off the street.

2. If you are here illegally then you are returned to your home country.

3. It is the home country that determines if the illegal is to be jailed by whatever process the home country has for making such determinations.

4. Being jailed in your home country is not a foreign prison - that person is now home. An illegal in an American jail is being jailed in a foreign prison.

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Leftists don't like facts and cannot cope with reality.

"Reality is not optional." Thomas Sowell

historian said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

---

I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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1. If you are here illegally then you are already subject to being jerked off the street.

2. If you are here illegally then you are returned to your home country.

3. It is the home country that determines if the illegal is to be jailed by whatever process the home country has for making such determinations.

4. Being jailed in your home country is not a foreign prison - that person is now home. An illegal in an American jail is being jailed in a foreign prison.

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Leftists don't like facts and cannot cope with reality.

"Reality is not optional." Thomas Sowell

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Except none of it has anything to do with reality. The reality is that we're not sending them home. We're sending them to be held by third party nations, without due process, at our own behest.

historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

---

I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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LOL the discombobulation of the Democrat mind - they have been scooped up off the street and deported because they've already had their day in court and received a deportation order.


Trump says that they are criminals; however, accused Criminals are still given their due process

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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Just curious, What number would you put on these criminals?

Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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Well, I did I respond to some of your posts!

You walked right into that one. Seriously though, I said 10-20 million because nobody knows the number. I've seen estimates all over the place and most estimates have 10 million as the absolute minimum. The fact that the numbers are so uncertain is further indictment of Biden, Harris, & Mayorkas. The crimes of these traitors were extensive.

We do not know how many there were and can only guess. You cannot honestly call 20 million a lie because you don't know either. Considering how wide open our border was & the extreme measures our criminal leaders took to bring in criminals and terrorists, 20 million is possible. It's a lot more plausible than any of the lame excuses they have given for their crimes & incompetence.

historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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Well, I did I respond to some of your posts!

You walked right into that one. Seriously though, I said 10-20 million because nobody knows the number. I've seen estimates all over the place and most estimates have 10 million as the absolute minimum. The fact that the numbers are so uncertain is further indictment of Biden, Harris, & Mayorkas. The crimes of these traitors were extensive.

We do not know how many there were and can only guess. You cannot honestly call 20 million a lie because you don't know either. Considering how wide open our border was & the extreme measures our criminal leaders took to bring in criminals and terrorists, 20 million is possible. It's a lot more plausible than any of the lame excuses they have given for their crimes & incompetence.

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The Biden Administration could not keep up with the actual numbers then you have to make an educated guess at the number of got aways that snuck in someplace along the border, undetected by law enforcement or border patrol agents. Some estimates place that number between 2 and 3 million or more over the four years. 20 million is not out of the question.

We know per government documents that there were over 11 million illegals in the USA when Biden took office. Whomever controlled the White House while Biden was chasing butterflies, let in millions more. 20 mil is not an unreasonable assumption

This group estimates 18.6 mil in the USA as of March this year
https://www.fairus.org/issue/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2025-update

Even if it is only half that, it's way too many.

https://thefederalist.com/2025/05/28/for-playing-political-games-with-trumps-deportations-judge-ho-gives-scotus-the-smackdown-it-deserves/

The President of the United States isn’t the co-executive with 677 district court judges. The growth and abuse of the judiciary is ridiculous. https://t.co/VmQpyqbP0u

— Ryan James Girdusky (@RyanGirdusky) May 29, 2025

Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

---

I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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LOL the discombobulation of the Democrat mind - they have been scooped up off the street and deported because they've already had their day in court and received a deportation order.


Trump says that they are criminals; however, accused Criminals are still given their due process

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LOL Criminals get due process when they are prosecuted for a crime. These criminals are not being prosecuted for a crime. They are being deported because they came here illegally. That's what wise countries do with illegal alien criminals. They don't spend millions to try them in court then incarcerate them for years. They just deport them.

None of these people you are bleating about has been scooped up off the street because they committed a felony. They are being scooped up because they are subject to a deportation order issued by an immigration judge. For an illegal alien, that IS due process.

whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

---

Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

---

I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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LOL the discombobulation of the Democrat mind - they have been scooped up off the street and deported because they've already had their day in court and received a deportation order.


Trump says that they are criminals; however, accused Criminals are still given their due process

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LOL Criminals get due process when they are prosecuted for a crime. These criminals are not being prosecuted for a crime. They are being deported because they came here illegally. That's what wise countries do with illegal alien criminals. They don't spend millions to try them in court then incarcerate them for years. They just deport them.

None of these people you are bleating about has been scooped up off the street because they committed a felony. They are being scooped up because they are subject to a deportation order issued by an immigration judge. For an illegal alien, that IS due process.

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But but but, all the lefties are screaming that illegals get due process. Sam is front and center on this. To me the "due process" the lefites are saying they should get is really a way to keep illegals here. Do we really have enough courts to deal with 20m illegals? And yes there probably are 20m here. If there were 11m before Biden, we've heard the numbers he let in (and flew in).

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

The numbers don't matter. Deporting all of them does. That's what we voted for. That's what 80-90% of Americans want. That's what it means to follow the law and the constitution. It's called the rule of law and it's common sense.

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The numbers don't matter. Deporting all of them does. That's what we voted for. That's what 80-90% of Americans want. That's what it means to follow the law and the constitution. It's called the rule of law and it's common sense.

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Your percentage is way off, but more important, following the law and the Constitution doesn't always mean doing what the people want. Surprised you missed that since you're so fond of pointing out that we're not a pure democracy.

I literally just read a report that said 73% of Americans support deporting illegals. I wasn't that far off after all. I was going off of memory and there have been many reports since Trump took office with similar numbers, all indicating the overwhelming majority of citizens prefer our govt do its job, enforce the laws, protect us from criminals, deport illegal aliens who gave no right or business being here, and so on.

Actually all of this is plain common sense. It's why we have government in the first place (Locke's social contract). And it's why Trump won in a landslide despite all the idiotic & fraudulent efforts of the fascists to prevent his victory.

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historian said:

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The numbers don't matter. Deporting all of them does. That's what we voted for. That's what 80-90% of Americans want. That's what it means to follow the law and the constitution. It's called the rule of law and it's common sense.

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Your percentage is way off, but more important, following the law and the Constitution doesn't always mean doing what the people want. Surprised you missed that since you're so fond of pointing out that we're not a pure democracy.

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https://www.axios.com/2025/01/19/poll-americans-mass-deportation-policies-trump

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison.

#9 - Nevada Health Official Caught Admitting to Breaking the Rules to Give Illegal Immigrants Benefits.

Hidden camera footage exposed Deshaun E. Mack, a Nevada DHHS specialist, admitting he routinely “twists and turns” the rules to help illegal immigrants get taxpayer-funded… pic.twitter.com/A9adSHVSVH

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) May 30, 2025

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The numbers don't matter. Deporting all of them does. That's what we voted for. That's what 80-90% of Americans want. That's what it means to follow the law and the constitution. It's called the rule of law and it's common sense.

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1. Trump has demonized illegals for 12 year. He herded them into detentions centers.
So his followers who are at heart decent see them as a threat to their jobs and their security. of their homes and neighbor hoods. None of this true. But you lie enough people believe it. You know like Hitler did with the Jews
2. America demonized the Japanese when America declared war against Japan. They were herded into Detention Centers You know like Hitler did with the Jews
3. African Americans have been demonized and enslaved from 1619 to present but first they were herded onto plantations, prisons, and ghettos. You know like Hitler did with the Jews.
4. Asian Americas were enslaved to railroad companies and demonized and herded into camps.90% of the workforce was Asian. Later they were prevented from coming to America. You know like Hitler did with the Jews
5. Native Americans were demonized by America and herded into reservation. You know like Hitler did with the Jews

It is a high percentage of Americans wanting deportation. -- 32% want ALL of them, 56% want SOME deportations. I am in the 56%. I don't want violent criminals here. MAGA Americans are decent people who are sane .and understand the nuances of mass deportations. Historian, you are in the 32%. Just know how we got here.
I think at heart Americans want immigration reform. Pew Research says, "How should the country handle undocumented immigrants currently in the U.S.?
About six-in-ten registered voters (59%) say that undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. should be allowed to stay in the country legally: 36% say they should be able to apply for citizenship, while 22% say they should be able to apply only for permanent residency.
Roughly four-in-ten voters (41%) say, instead, that undocumented immigrants should not be allowed to stay in the country legally. Most of this group (37% of the overall public) says that there should be a national effort to deport those who are undocumented." BUT congress refuses to act. Democrats maybe hugely condemned for failing to on the problem and it bit us in the ass in November, 2024