Waco1947 said:

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The numbers don't matter. Deporting all of them does. That's what we voted for. That's what 80-90% of Americans want. That's what it means to follow the law and the constitution. It's called the rule of law and it's common sense.

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1. Trump has demonized illegals for 12 year. He herded them into detentions centers.
So his followers who are at heart decent see them as a threat to their jobs and their security. of their homes and neighbor hoods. None of this true. But you lie enough people believe it. You know like Hitler did with the Jews
2. America demonized the Japanese when America declared war against Japan. They were herded into Detention Centers You know like Hitler did with the Jews
3. African Americans have been demonized and enslaved from 1619 to present but first they were herded onto plantations, prisons, and ghettos. You know like Hitler did with the Jews.
4. Asian Americas were enslaved to railroad companies and demonized and herded into camps.90% of the workforce was Asian. Later they were prevented from coming to America. You know like Hitler did with the Jews
5. Native Americans were demonized by America and herded into reservation. You know like Hitler did with the Jews

It is a high percentage of Americans wanting deportation. -- 32% want ALL of them, 56% want SOME deportations. I am in the 56%. I don't want violent criminals here. MAGA Americans are decent people who are sane .and understand the nuances of mass deportations. Historian, you are in the 32%. Just know how we got here.
I think at heart Americans want immigration reform. Pew Research says, "How should the country handle undocumented immigrants currently in the U.S.?
About six-in-ten registered voters (59%) say that undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. should be allowed to stay in the country legally: 36% say they should be able to apply for citizenship, while 22% say they should be able to apply only for permanent residency.
Roughly four-in-ten voters (41%) say, instead, that undocumented immigrants should not be allowed to stay in the country legally. Most of this group (37% of the overall public) says that there should be a national effort to deport those who are undocumented." BUT congress refuses to act. Democrats maybe hugely condemned for failing to on the problem and it bit us in the ass in November, 2024

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Harvard, Columbia, financial servitude, moral repression
Liberal agenda, you know, like Hitler did with the Jews

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact. Seeking their deportation is justice, an appropriate response to their crimes.

Americans overwhelmingly want criminals to be punished. Seeking real justice is normal and has been throughout history. Comparing these norms to the Nazis is grotesque and idiotic.

Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, despite the propaganda from the NY Times. The initial blacks who arrived in Virginia were treated as indentured servants meaning they were freemen after a few years. Many white Europeans went through the same ordeal.

The Chinese who worked out west on the railroads or in the mines were not slaves. The worked under contract for Chinese masters and went home when their contract ended. Yes, many were victims of racism and violent attacks. That's reprehensible as all racism is. It's also a constant of human history: people mistreated for superficial characteristics. The Left are masters of that kind of abuse and are still doing it today.

By all means, continue with your stupid trolling. It makes you even less credible than you were. But try to get your historical facts straight.

historian said:

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Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact. Seeking their deportation is justice, an appropriate response to their crimes.

Americans overwhelmingly want criminals to be punished. Seeking real justice is normal and has been throughout history. Comparing these norms to the Nazis is grotesque and idiotic.

Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, despite the propaganda from the NY Times. The initial blacks who arrived in Virginia were treated as indentured servants meaning they were freemen after a few years. Many white Europeans went through the same ordeal.

The Chinese who worked out west on the railroads or in the mines were not slaves. The worked under contract for Chinese masters and went home when their contract ended. Yes, many were victims of racism and violent attacks. That's reprehensible as all racism is. It's also a constant of human history: people mistreated for superficial characteristics. The Left are masters of that kind of abuse and are still doing it today.

By all means, continue with your stupid trolling. It makes you even less credible than you were. But try to get your historical facts straight.

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Go easy on 1947. He was either in Nam, eat crayons as a kid, or got dropped on his head. Also, his bible is different than the bible you and I have.

ScottS said:

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historian said:

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Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact. Seeking their deportation is justice, an appropriate response to their crimes.

Americans overwhelmingly want criminals to be punished. Seeking real justice is normal and has been throughout history. Comparing these norms to the Nazis is grotesque and idiotic.

Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, despite the propaganda from the NY Times. The initial blacks who arrived in Virginia were treated as indentured servants meaning they were freemen after a few years. Many white Europeans went through the same ordeal.

The Chinese who worked out west on the railroads or in the mines were not slaves. The worked under contract for Chinese masters and went home when their contract ended. Yes, many were victims of racism and violent attacks. That's reprehensible as all racism is. It's also a constant of human history: people mistreated for superficial characteristics. The Left are masters of that kind of abuse and are still doing it today.

By all means, continue with your stupid trolling. It makes you even less credible than you were. But try to get your historical facts straight.

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Go easy on 1947. He was either in Nam, eat crayons as a kid, or got dropped on his head. Also, his bible is different than the bible you and I have.

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He may have had a copy of the Wicked Bible...

ICE raided Martha’s Vineyard, arresting 40 criminal aliens, including MS-13 terrorists and child predators.

This was a resident’s response:

"I think it could be any of us next."

Imagine being against removing these criminals from your own community.
pic.twitter.com/1lqFhTrkdg

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 30, 2025

According to the Nantucket Current the "criminal element" is a bit exaggerated. I am glad that they caught a couple of "bad guys."

I don't care for the manner in which non criminals are treated, apparently because they of their color and may not have sufficient documentation on their person.

There is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal.

Assassin said:

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ICE raided Martha’s Vineyard, arresting 40 criminal aliens, including MS-13 terrorists and child predators.

This was a resident’s response:

"I think it could be any of us next."

Imagine being against removing these criminals from your own community.
pic.twitter.com/1lqFhTrkdg

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 30, 2025

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Wait ... weren't these the people that had a fit when a bus of illegals showed up?

I actually like the idea of deporting all of the illegals to blue cities, especially the Martha's Vineyard, Beverly Hills, etc.

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There is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal.

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Don't use logic. It confuses lefties.

Thank you, at least you guys understand where you are coming from and can give it context.
You might try reading the article. I understand why you stereotype.

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According to the Nantucket Current the "criminal element" is a bit exaggerated. I am glad that they caught a couple of "bad guys."

I don't care for the manner in which non criminals are treated, apparently because they of their color and may not have sufficient documentation on their person.

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Every single person who came to America illegally is a criminal. 100%

Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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if someone is a serious enough threat to your regime that you decide you need to throw them in jail, the last thing you would want to do is to deport them to your mortal enemy. They will become a propaganda tool to be used against you, and possibly even receive support from your enemy to build a credible threat to your regime - a coup, an insurgency, an outright invasion, etc.....

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

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I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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1. If you are here illegally then you are already subject to being jerked off the street.

2. If you are here illegally then you are returned to your home country.

3. It is the home country that determines if the illegal is to be jailed by whatever process the home country has for making such determinations.

4. Being jailed in your home country is not a foreign prison - that person is now home. An illegal in an American jail is being jailed in a foreign prison.

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Leftists don't like facts and cannot cope with reality.

"Reality is not optional." Thomas Sowell

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Except none of it has anything to do with reality. The reality is that we're not sending them home. We're sending them to be held by third party nations, without due process, at our own behest.

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The reality is that our immigration system is drowning in a backlog so massive it's functionally broken. There are millions of pending cases with no realistic way to process them all. If recent history is any indicator, the moment a Democrat regains the White House, we could easily see another 7 million or more illegal crossings within just four years.

So yes, you're right, we're not sending them home. We're not even processing them in a way that reflects the rule of law. We're offshoring the problem while letting them stay indefinitely, all while pretending this chaos is manageable. It's not. It's intentional dysfunction disguised as compassion.

"Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact." That's your straw man. I never made that accusation against you. Here's the demonizing by Trump: scum, rapists, murderer, cat eater, "These aren't people. These are animals. Google it.

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Waco1947 said:

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gtownbear said:

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

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I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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1. If you are here illegally then you are already subject to being jerked off the street.

2. If you are here illegally then you are returned to your home country.

3. It is the home country that determines if the illegal is to be jailed by whatever process the home country has for making such determinations.

4. Being jailed in your home country is not a foreign prison - that person is now home. An illegal in an American jail is being jailed in a foreign prison.

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Leftists don't like facts and cannot cope with reality.

"Reality is not optional." Thomas Sowell

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Except none of it has anything to do with reality. The reality is that we're not sending them home. We're sending them to be held by third party nations, without due process, at our own behest.

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The reality is that our immigration system is drowning in a backlog so massive it's functionally broken. There are millions of pending cases with no realistic way to process them all.

So yes, you're right, we're not sending them home. We're not even processing them in a way that reflects the rule of law. We're offshoring the problem while letting them stay indefinitely, all while pretending this chaos is manageable. It's not. It's intentional dysfunction disguised as compassion.True

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ScottS said:

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historian said:

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Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact. Seeking their deportation is justice, an appropriate response to their crimes.

Americans overwhelmingly want criminals to be punished. Seeking real justice is normal and has been throughout history. Comparing these norms to the Nazis is grotesque and idiotic.

Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, despite the propaganda from the NY Times. The initial blacks who arrived in Virginia were treated as indentured servants meaning they were freemen after a few years. Many white Europeans went through the same ordeal.

The Chinese who worked out west on the railroads or in the mines were not slaves. The worked under contract for Chinese masters and went home when their contract ended. Yes, many were victims of racism and violent attacks. That's reprehensible as all racism is. It's also a constant of human history: people mistreated for superficial characteristics. The Left are masters of that kind of abuse and are still doing it today.

By all means, continue with your stupid trolling. It makes you even less credible than you were. But try to get your historical facts straight.

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Go easy on 1947. He was either in Nam, eat crayons as a kid, or got dropped on his head. Also, his bible is different than the bible you and I have .Jesus called and left this message. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

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Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, This makes a difference How? Read a little history. A black enslaved woman was listed ass property in Jamestown 1619. But again what's your point. The truth is blacks have been and continue suffer racism.

Waco1947 said:

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Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, This makes a difference How? Read a little history. A black enslaved woman was listed ass property in Jamestown 1619. But again what's your point. The truth is blacks have been and continue suffer racism.

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Something about these blacks reminds me of 47

A group of blacks go and rob a house, an 11 year old boy defends his home by sh00ting the non-white trespassers, the non-white then says the 11 year old boy owes him for medical bills?!!

Can you believe the audacity of these non-whites?!! pic.twitter.com/4tcBDUMwJB

— WHITE GUILT IS DEAD 🔥🔥🔥 (@_Anglosaxongirl) May 31, 2025

Waco1947 said:

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Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, This makes a difference How? Read a little history. A black enslaved woman was listed ass property in Jamestown 1619. But again what's your point. The truth is blacks have been and continue suffer racism.

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You hurt black people by perpetuating these beliefs.

Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

You mov d the goal posts. Assimilation is another question.

Waco1947 said:

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You mov d the goal posts. Assimilation is another question.

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You are making the argument against your position, Waco. Did you realize that?

Waco1947 said:

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"Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact." That's your straw man. I never made that accusation against you. Here's the demonizing by Trump: scum, rapists, murderer, cat eater, "These aren't people. These are animals. Google it.

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No straw man. Fact. Rapists, murders, terrorists, traffickers, etc are scum. And they are not people any sane American wants to bring into this country.

Waco1947 said:

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Blacks were enslaved starting in the mid-16th century. That did NOT begin in 1619, This makes a difference How? Read a little history. A black enslaved woman was listed ass property in Jamestown 1619. But again what's your point. The truth is blacks have been and continue suffer racism.

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I've read lots of history. I've taught American history for over 30 years. Blacks in Virginia were treated as indentured servants in 1619, laborers under contract for a limited time period. They were later freed. Some even prospered over time. Anthony Johnson was wealthy enough to own slaves himself years later.

Slavery has existed throughout history. Every nationality, ethnicity, etc has been slaves and slave owners. The black slaves who came to America through the transatlantic slave trade were fold to Europeans by other black Africans. None of these facts excuse anything but they do provide some context.

When slavery began in America is not nearly as important as when it ended. The enslavement of blacks in the US ended in 1865 and became unconstitutional. It's because if western values (mainly Christianity) that slavery came to be viewed as immoral and eventually became illegal. Pretending that modern blacks are slaves today is a gross injustice and a lie. They are free and have far more opportunities than their ancestors did. This is true for lots of Americans today. Reparations is a fraud and an extortion racket.

The real evil is cultural Marxism behind many of these historical distortions and the resulting frauds. Curiously, the hunters pushing these agendas tend to ignore the real continuation of slavery in places like the Middle East, China, and even here in America. They ignore the trafficking that Obama & Biden confined and promoted with the open border. They ignore the 300,000 children that disappeared under Biden's treasonous actions. He "lost" them and never did anything to find them. Considering everything else he did (or his handlers), it's legitimate to ask if that was deliberate. I wonder if Joe went to Epstein's island and how many times.

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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ScottS said:

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Waco1947 said:

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historian said:

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last four years.

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These gang members care nothing about anyone's rights, yet we are supposed to care about their rights? Sorry, I do not believe the illegals who broke laws to enter our country deserve the same rights as American Citizens.

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Why yes, we are supposed to "care" about their rights because as our pledge allegiance of the flag states "and justice for all."

Justice is how we legally determine these people are indeed criminals. I don't want federal agency arresting me without due process. How about you?

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Justice for illegal aliens who commit violent crimes while illegally in the U.S. is swift & immediate punishment. Still deserve due process and if in a court of law proved guilty then of course deport them..

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I don't think you won't to be jerked of the street and told that you committed a violent crime without due process and sent to a foreign prison. Come on man think, you know your constitution.
Like any criminal these guys get their day in court.

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1. If you are here illegally then you are already subject to being jerked off the street.

2. If you are here illegally then you are returned to your home country.

3. It is the home country that determines if the illegal is to be jailed by whatever process the home country has for making such determinations.

4. Being jailed in your home country is not a foreign prison - that person is now home. An illegal in an American jail is being jailed in a foreign prison.

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Leftists don't like facts and cannot cope with reality.

"Reality is not optional." Thomas Sowell

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Except none of it has anything to do with reality. The reality is that we're not sending them home. We're sending them to be held by third party nations, without due process, at our own behest.

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The reality is that our immigration system is drowning in a backlog so massive it's functionally broken. There are millions of pending cases with no realistic way to process them all. If recent history is any indicator, the moment a Democrat regains the White House, we could easily see another 7 million or more illegal crossings within just four years.

So yes, you're right, we're not sending them home. We're not even processing them in a way that reflects the rule of law. We're offshoring the problem while letting them stay indefinitely, all while pretending this chaos is manageable. It's not. It's intentional dysfunction disguised as compassion.

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You said you were worried about violent criminals, not the undocumented hordes per se. If that's your concern, we have a system that's more than capable of dealing with it. If you're talking about making all illegals disappear, that's utopian right-wing fantasy. Most people don't want it, and certainly not if it means sacrificing the rule of law.

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last in four years.

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How many illegals do you think entered in the last 4 years?

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Not the 10-20 million illegal aliens that Biden rolled out the red carpet for. We cannot deport them quickly enough.

As a practical matter, it's impossible to do so and an absurdity to even try. It's not a serious option.

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20,000,000 is a lie. Why respond to a lie?

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And you know this how?

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Determining the exact number of people who have entered the U.S. without authorization between 2021 and 2024 is challenging because many individuals are not apprehended.
However, data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) provides insight into the scale of unauthorized border crossings:

• Total Encounters: Since the start of Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, CBP has recorded over 10.8 million encounters nationwide. This number includes both those who attempt to cross illegally and those who arrive at official ports of entry and are deemed inadmissible. It is important to note that this number represents encounters, not necessarily unique individuals, as some people may attempt to cross the border multiple times.
• Southwest Border Encounters: Over 8.72 million encounters have occurred at the Southwest border since FY2021.
• Estimated Gotaways: CBP estimates that approximately 2 million individuals have evaded authorities and entered the country undetected since FY2021. Some sources suggest this number could be underreported.
• Parole Programs: Additionally, over 1.4 million individuals have been released into the U.S. through parole programs like CBP One and the CHNV program.

While these numbers provide a measure of border activity, they do not provide a definitive count of unique individuals who have successfully entered the U.S. without authorization.

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There are "gotaway" stats. But by definition there is no hard data on the flow of illegals not encountered anywhere.

Back during the first Trump admin, when the numbers were in the 30k-50k range per month, my USBP friend who for years chased illegals thru the brush and now supervises teams of men & dogs that do so told me the best way to get an idea what the actual flow is would be to take the "encounters" number and double it. He said the percentage of actual flow caught will rise as the flow falls, but will fall as the flow rises. (completely expected given that enforcement resources are essentially fixed).

That was before the Biden policy of accepting refugee applications for anyone who could drag themself cross the border. At that point, an enormous percentage of illegals were literally surrendering immediately, at the river with wet feet. That could have made the drug enforcement component a lot easier. Since anyone purely interested in migration would just surrender immediately, pretty much anyone sneaking thru the brush was up to no good. But the numbers of refugee candidates were so large that it strained USBP manpower just to pick them up & process them. As a result, the refugee flows actually made it easier for the cartels to smuggle drugs.Most illegal drugs comes through POEs not individuals.

and, yes, a very high percentage of the flow of refugees across our border were criminals. If you were President of (choose any Central or South American country), why would you continue to pay the cost to incarcerate hardened criminals if you could simply take them to your northern border, give them $500, and order them to head to Estados Unidos and NOT come back. It has happened before. Approx 20% of the Mariel boatlift refugees had spent time in a Cuban prison. What is your proof that presidents in Central America bussed their criminals to the border?

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Many of the jailing were political prisoners not violent offenders.
Otherwise thank you for response.

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Our country cannot assimilate 20 million illegals in 4 years. I'm for deportations after a hearing

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We don't even have 20 million total, let alone in the last in four years.

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We had about 11 million illegals in the USA when Biden came into office. Given his Open Borders Soros policy, it's entirely possible that we are at about 20 million now. What a horrible 4 years for Americans

The article below shows the dangers caused by folks in sanctuary cities protecting murderers and rapists as they expose ICE Agents who are trying to remove illegal hardened criminals. I can't say enough against these individuals. Go Tom Homan!

Boston ICE agents forced to retreat from murder suspect arrest after activists blew their cover | The Post Millennial | thepostmillennial.com

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"Calling an illegal alien a criminal is not demonizing them. It's stating a fact." That's your straw man. I never made that accusation against you. Here's the demonizing by Trump: scum, rapists, murderer, cat eater, "These aren't people. These are animals. Google it.

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No straw man. Fact. Rapists, murders, terrorists, traffickers, etc are scum. And they are not people any sane American wants to bring into this country.

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. I agree with you. My assertion is that trump demonizes every illegal criminal or not.

Not really. But if you want to label his reactions as demonizing then they all deserve to be demonized because they are all criminals and none of them have any right to be in the US. The Left, on the other hand, wants them all to remain so they can be exploited to steal elections. They don't care how many innocent Americans are raped or murdered or otherwise harmed.

It is evil and makes no sense. We cannot believe their lame excuses because they lie about everything. I have to wonder if they do it because they are selfish idiots. Many of them live in gated communities with armed security & feel insulated about the consequences of their treason. They certainly don't believe in the rule of law: they are supporting criminals and continuous criminal behavior. Besides, they support criminals like the Clinton's, Obama's, Biden's, Pelosi's, etc.