The_barBEARian said:

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Sadly, we are here because of Trump. He threw out the first nuclear deal that Iran negotiated in good faith.

Iran came back to the table to negotiate a new deal with Trump. In good faith.

I believe Trump sees Bibi for what he is. But he's unable to rein him in. I do t see why Iran stays at the table.

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Why do you want Iran to have a nuke? Oh yeah, "from the river to the sea."

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I don't want them to have a nuke. We had a deal that allowed them to have nuclear energy but not a bomb.

Isreal and Trump killed that deal. I don't want Isreal to have a nuke, either. They have shown themselves to be an irresponsible neighbor.

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JFK agreed with you and it got him shot in the head.

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There is zero evidence Israel had anything to do with Kennedy's assassination.

The mafia, CiA and Castro are the legitimate suspects.

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Some of these dudes are straight anti-Semite bomb throwers. You have to be really hard up to be an Iranian sympathizer.

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Don't check any Millennials or Gen Z opinion polls towards Israel or your Gen X heart might give out.

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There is some truth to this.

Hopefully Israel can secure a lasting peace asap.

Because as we old folks die off US support is going to weaken dramatically.

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I think they'll be fine.

They literally spent my entire life buying off and playing Boomers into giving over their children and grandchildren's inheritance to them.

They already bankrupted the country for Israel. By the time Millennials or Gen Z have any power there won't be anything left to steal.

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It's telling that nearly every complaint you have of Israel deals with money (taxes, fuel cost, debt)

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You forgot stealing military secrets and selling them to the Chinese, murdering US Servicemen, using the Israel lobby to subvert democracy and the will of the American people.

Support for Israel from the American public is about 35-40% but congress gives them 100% support. You can usually count on one hand the members of Congress who stand up to Israel bcs the Israel lobby pumps hundreds of millions in Congressional races to remove anyone who mentions ending the free ride

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I am absolutely with you on the idea that Israel is not always a great ally.

(I belly ache a lot about us giving them billions)

But I really do feel you are over playing the idea that they are some kind of enemy.

Or that we could have any real friends in the region at all…. I mean is Saudi Arabia (9/11, Wahabbi Islamism) or Turkey (neo-ottoman imperialism), or Iran (shi'ite Islamism), or all the other dysfunctional states over there supposed to be better potential allies?

We have to work with who is over there no?

And Israel has not proven to be any sort of long term foe of America or our interests in the region

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"But, they killed Jesus". and no, that's not a sarcastic response. That is an actual argument barBEARian has made before.

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A common refrain of Jew haters. It's because they're not actually Christian. Any Christian understands that god preordained his death at the hands of the Jews to save humanity.

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It's funny how you guys can't challenge the current topic - why is Israel a good ally?

So instead you go off on a strawman about something I don't recall saying in an attempt to smear the messenger to avoid hearing the message.

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

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I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Sadly, we are here because of Trump. He threw out the first nuclear deal that Iran negotiated in good faith.

Iran came back to the table to negotiate a new deal with Trump. In good faith.

I believe Trump sees Bibi for what he is. But he's unable to rein him in. I do t see why Iran stays at the table.

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Why do you want Iran to have a nuke? Oh yeah, "from the river to the sea."

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I don't want them to have a nuke. We had a deal that allowed them to have nuclear energy but not a bomb.

Isreal and Trump killed that deal. I don't want Isreal to have a nuke, either. They have shown themselves to be an irresponsible neighbor.

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JFK agreed with you and it got him shot in the head.

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There is zero evidence Israel had anything to do with Kennedy's assassination.

The mafia, CiA and Castro are the legitimate suspects.

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Some of these dudes are straight anti-Semite bomb throwers. You have to be really hard up to be an Iranian sympathizer.

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Don't check any Millennials or Gen Z opinion polls towards Israel or your Gen X heart might give out.

---

There is some truth to this.

Hopefully Israel can secure a lasting peace asap.

Because as we old folks die off US support is going to weaken dramatically.

---

I think they'll be fine.

They literally spent my entire life buying off and playing Boomers into giving over their children and grandchildren's inheritance to them.

They already bankrupted the country for Israel. By the time Millennials or Gen Z have any power there won't be anything left to steal.

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It's telling that nearly every complaint you have of Israel deals with money (taxes, fuel cost, debt)

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You forgot stealing military secrets and selling them to the Chinese, murdering US Servicemen, using the Israel lobby to subvert democracy and the will of the American people.

Support for Israel from the American public is about 35-40% but congress gives them 100% support. You can usually count on one hand the members of Congress who stand up to Israel bcs the Israel lobby pumps hundreds of millions in Congressional races to remove anyone who mentions ending the free ride

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I am absolutely with you on the idea that Israel is not always a great ally.

(I belly ache a lot about us giving them billions)

But I really do feel you are over playing the idea that they are some kind of enemy.

Or that we could have any real friends in the region at all…. I mean is Saudi Arabia (9/11, Wahabbi Islamism) or Turkey (neo-ottoman imperialism), or Iran (shi'ite Islamism), or all the other dysfunctional states over there supposed to be better potential allies?

We have to work with who is over there no?

And Israel has not proven to be any sort of long term foe of America or our interests in the region

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"But, they killed Jesus". and no, that's not a sarcastic response. That is an actual argument barBEARian has made before.

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A common refrain of Jew haters. It's because they're not actually Christian. Any Christian understands that god preordained his death at the hands of the Jews to save humanity.

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It's funny how you guys can't challenge the current topic - why is Israel a good ally?

So instead you go off on a strawman about something I don't recall saying in an attempt to smear the messenger to avoid hearing the message.

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"The Jews killed Jesus.

They took him to Potius Pilate and said if you don't order his execution, we will kill you both.

That was a display of Judeo values.

You can rage and throw ad hominens, but nothing you said disputes my point that the New Testament was a refutation of Old Testament/Judeo values."

"BOOM!!!!!!! Bye bye Iran! Was Good to Know You."
10/31/24, 8:56am

Now, you were saying something about a strawman???

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Sadly, we are here because of Trump. He threw out the first nuclear deal that Iran negotiated in good faith.

Iran came back to the table to negotiate a new deal with Trump. In good faith.

I believe Trump sees Bibi for what he is. But he's unable to rein him in. I do t see why Iran stays at the table.

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Why do you want Iran to have a nuke? Oh yeah, "from the river to the sea."

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I don't want them to have a nuke. We had a deal that allowed them to have nuclear energy but not a bomb.

Isreal and Trump killed that deal. I don't want Isreal to have a nuke, either. They have shown themselves to be an irresponsible neighbor.

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JFK agreed with you and it got him shot in the head.

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There is zero evidence Israel had anything to do with Kennedy's assassination.

The mafia, CiA and Castro are the legitimate suspects.

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Some of these dudes are straight anti-Semite bomb throwers. You have to be really hard up to be an Iranian sympathizer.

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Don't check any Millennials or Gen Z opinion polls towards Israel or your Gen X heart might give out.

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There is some truth to this.

Hopefully Israel can secure a lasting peace asap.

Because as we old folks die off US support is going to weaken dramatically.

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I think they'll be fine.

They literally spent my entire life buying off and playing Boomers into giving over their children and grandchildren's inheritance to them.

They already bankrupted the country for Israel. By the time Millennials or Gen Z have any power there won't be anything left to steal.

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It's telling that nearly every complaint you have of Israel deals with money (taxes, fuel cost, debt)

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You forgot stealing military secrets and selling them to the Chinese, murdering US Servicemen, using the Israel lobby to subvert democracy and the will of the American people.

Support for Israel from the American public is about 35-40% but congress gives them 100% support. You can usually count on one hand the members of Congress who stand up to Israel bcs the Israel lobby pumps hundreds of millions in Congressional races to remove anyone who mentions ending the free ride

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I am absolutely with you on the idea that Israel is not always a great ally.

(I belly ache a lot about us giving them billions)

But I really do feel you are over playing the idea that they are some kind of enemy.

Or that we could have any real friends in the region at all…. I mean is Saudi Arabia (9/11, Wahabbi Islamism) or Turkey (neo-ottoman imperialism), or Iran (shi'ite Islamism), or all the other dysfunctional states over there supposed to be better potential allies?

We have to work with who is over there no?

And Israel has not proven to be any sort of long term foe of America or our interests in the region

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"But, they killed Jesus". and no, that's not a sarcastic response. That is an actual argument barBEARian has made before.

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A common refrain of Jew haters. It's because they're not actually Christian. Any Christian understands that god preordained his death at the hands of the Jews to save humanity.

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It's funny how you guys can't challenge the current topic - why is Israel a good ally?

So instead you go off on a strawman about something I don't recall saying in an attempt to smear the messenger to avoid hearing the message.

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"The Jews killed Jesus.

They took him to Potius Pilate and said if you don't order his execution, we will kill you both.

That was a display of Judeo values.

You can rage and throw ad hominens, but nothing you said disputes my point that the New Testament was a refutation of Old Testament/Judeo values."

"BOOM!!!!!!! Bye bye Iran! Was Good to Know You."
10/31/24, 8:56am

Now, you were saying something about a strawman???

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This is a lie. He’s quoting the Talmud, not the Bible. pic.twitter.com/8Xy6RogRL6

— Allan Ruhl (@AllanRuhl) June 13, 2025

The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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KaiBear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Sadly, we are here because of Trump. He threw out the first nuclear deal that Iran negotiated in good faith.

Iran came back to the table to negotiate a new deal with Trump. In good faith.

I believe Trump sees Bibi for what he is. But he's unable to rein him in. I do t see why Iran stays at the table.

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Why do you want Iran to have a nuke? Oh yeah, "from the river to the sea."

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I don't want them to have a nuke. We had a deal that allowed them to have nuclear energy but not a bomb.

Isreal and Trump killed that deal. I don't want Isreal to have a nuke, either. They have shown themselves to be an irresponsible neighbor.

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JFK agreed with you and it got him shot in the head.

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There is zero evidence Israel had anything to do with Kennedy's assassination.

The mafia, CiA and Castro are the legitimate suspects.

---

Some of these dudes are straight anti-Semite bomb throwers. You have to be really hard up to be an Iranian sympathizer.

---

Don't check any Millennials or Gen Z opinion polls towards Israel or your Gen X heart might give out.

---

There is some truth to this.

Hopefully Israel can secure a lasting peace asap.

Because as we old folks die off US support is going to weaken dramatically.

---

I think they'll be fine.

They literally spent my entire life buying off and playing Boomers into giving over their children and grandchildren's inheritance to them.

They already bankrupted the country for Israel. By the time Millennials or Gen Z have any power there won't be anything left to steal.

---

It's telling that nearly every complaint you have of Israel deals with money (taxes, fuel cost, debt)

---

You forgot stealing military secrets and selling them to the Chinese, murdering US Servicemen, using the Israel lobby to subvert democracy and the will of the American people.

Support for Israel from the American public is about 35-40% but congress gives them 100% support. You can usually count on one hand the members of Congress who stand up to Israel bcs the Israel lobby pumps hundreds of millions in Congressional races to remove anyone who mentions ending the free ride

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I am absolutely with you on the idea that Israel is not always a great ally.

(I belly ache a lot about us giving them billions)

But I really do feel you are over playing the idea that they are some kind of enemy.

Or that we could have any real friends in the region at all…. I mean is Saudi Arabia (9/11, Wahabbi Islamism) or Turkey (neo-ottoman imperialism), or Iran (shi'ite Islamism), or all the other dysfunctional states over there supposed to be better potential allies?

We have to work with who is over there no?

And Israel has not proven to be any sort of long term foe of America or our interests in the region

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"But, they killed Jesus". and no, that's not a sarcastic response. That is an actual argument barBEARian has made before.

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A common refrain of Jew haters. It's because they're not actually Christian. Any Christian understands that god preordained his death at the hands of the Jews to save humanity.

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It's funny how you guys can't challenge the current topic - why is Israel a good ally?

So instead you go off on a strawman about something I don't recall saying in an attempt to smear the messenger to avoid hearing the message.

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"The Jews killed Jesus.

They took him to Potius Pilate and said if you don't order his execution, we will kill you both.

That was a display of Judeo values.

You can rage and throw ad hominens, but nothing you said disputes my point that the New Testament was a refutation of Old Testament/Judeo values."

"BOOM!!!!!!! Bye bye Iran! Was Good to Know You."
10/31/24, 8:56am

Now, you were saying something about a strawman???

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Another sampling of Judeo values:

This is a lie. He’s quoting the Talmud, not the Bible. pic.twitter.com/8Xy6RogRL6

— Allan Ruhl (@AllanRuhl) June 13, 2025

WWJD?

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The_barBEARian said:

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How can it teach something it doesnt "state" or "say"?

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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How can it teach something it doesnt "state" or "say"?

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While both "quote" and "saying" pertain to spoken or written expressions, they differ significantly.

Also, if it were all that simple, why are there debates over things clearly written in the Bible? For example, " No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18

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pic.twitter.com/fDQJBJzsKn

— I,Hypocrite (@lporiginalg) June 14, 2025

The parade was great. Our military is incredible. And now @Israel needs our help to destroy Iran’s nuclear threat to the world.

Israel’s military and air force have sufficiently degraded Iran’s defenses such that this is now the lowest-risk, highest-probability moment to take…

— Bill Ackman (@BillAckman) June 15, 2025

NOW - Iranian missile strike on central Israel.pic.twitter.com/MWICsb8gd5

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) June 15, 2025

Doc Holliday said:

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NOW - Iranian missile strike on central Israel.pic.twitter.com/MWICsb8gd5

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) June 15, 2025

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Doc Holliday said:

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NOW - Iranian missile strike on central Israel.pic.twitter.com/MWICsb8gd5

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) June 15, 2025

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Realitybites said:

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And another guess about how it might play out:

" My prediction for what will happen?

It all depends on Trump's decisionbut if he chooses not to enter the war, then Israel's strikes will peter out after a few days, and both sides will likely seek de-escalation, with both declaring 'major victory' to their respective home audiences. Israel will fabulate a series of objectives that were 'completed', and that will be that. Afterwards Israel's domestic situation will deteriorate rapidly as no one will be convinced that Israel 'won' anything, or did any serious damage to Iran.

But if the US enters, then either all hell can break loose and Iran fulfills its promise to close the Straits of Hormuz, potentially sending the world into an economic tailspin, orto appease his Israeli handlersTrump flashes a 'devastating' show strike then declares the Iranian nuclear sites as "obliterated" and immediately pulls out to begin a new de-escalation regime with Iran.

I have it as 70/30 chance that saner heads prevail in the US with Trump electing to not enter the war, and things go the way of the first option, but we'll see how it develops."

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

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I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

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I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

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I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

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I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

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Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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Poland moving up and the UK teetering before falling way down.

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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Only the most retarded goyim would believe this

— spence (@krustykrab) June 15, 2025

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

---

We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

---

No, we send defense money, cut them deals on weapons systems, provide access to technology and information. Not every Ally needs the same thing. It is a rather immature view that we give everyone the same things.

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

---

The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

---

There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

---

We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

---

No, we send defense money, cut them deals on weapons systems, provide access to technology and information. Not every Ally needs the same thing. It is a rather immature view that we give everyone the same things.

---

Congress would have to authorize defense money being sent. The only three countries they have authorized money for in recent years are Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.

And nobody has a problem with cutting equitable deals or providing tech and info. Its the free handouts that irk those of us in the American First movement.

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

---

The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

---

The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

---

There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

---

We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

---

No, we send defense money, cut them deals on weapons systems, provide access to technology and information. Not every Ally needs the same thing. It is a rather immature view that we give everyone the same things.

---

Congress would have to authorize defense money being sent. The only three countries they have authorized money for in recent years are Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.

And nobody has a problem with cutting equitable deals or providing tech and info. Its the free handouts that irk those of us in the American First movement.

---

You fail to admit that we get anything in return. It is not a free handout. YOU may hate globalization/globalists, YOU may not think that we get anything in return, but that does not make it correct. Globalization is a fact of life in the 21st Century. If we don't do what we do, China, Russia, India or someone else will fill that vacuum.

You guys are great at saying we have the largest economy they have to do what we want, how the hell do you think we got it? Through the alliances, bases, and strategic locations we occupy and a Military strong enough to protect it. See how great our economy is doing what you guys want and bringing the US strategic influence home. We become Brazil...

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sombear said:

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Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

---

The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

---

The_barBEARian said:

---

sombear said:

---

There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

---

We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

---

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