War with Iran?

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boognish_bear
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whitetrash
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boognish_bear said:


Harrison Bergeron
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FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Another rough week for the TDSers.
Why are you trying to make disagreement with policy personal? Many on here who disagree would disagree if it were Biden, Obama, Bush, Trump or Reagan.


The bigger question is why do you give a President a blind pass based on personality? Either you agree or you are a TDSer, you seem to be into labeling people that disagree. Very Bannon-esque of you...


It's not personal. TDS is a very real thing. Not everyone that disagrees with President Trump's policy is a TDSer - like Tucker Carlson or the crazy Georgia Congresswoman or Tom Massey - but many are. All your latter stuff is just projection - far fewer blindly give Trump a pass than blindly oppose him.
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whitetrash said:

boognish_bear said:





This 'victory parade' reminds me of the Iraqi news spokesman who continually declared how they were winning the war even with US tanks entering Baghdad.
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When did Trump become such a jew hater and virulent anti-semite?
LIB,MR BEARS
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The_barBEARian said:



When did Trump become such a jew hater and virulent anti-semite?

And yet, he still doesn't hold a candle to some muddy barbarians on here
muddybrazos
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hey, what do you know
FLBear5630
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Harrison Bergeron said:

FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Another rough week for the TDSers.
Why are you trying to make disagreement with policy personal? Many on here who disagree would disagree if it were Biden, Obama, Bush, Trump or Reagan.


The bigger question is why do you give a President a blind pass based on personality? Either you agree or you are a TDSer, you seem to be into labeling people that disagree. Very Bannon-esque of you...


It's not personal. TDS is a very real thing. Not everyone that disagrees with President Trump's policy is a TDSer - like Tucker Carlson or the crazy Georgia Congresswoman or Tom Massey - but many are. All your latter stuff is just projection - far fewer blindly give Trump a pass than blindly oppose him.
It is about 50/50.

MAGA has a tendency to focus on the negative policy assessments and overlook the positive to label someone TDS. The purpose of the label is to discredit the person and their view of the specific policy.

Many on here say I am a TDSer.

Yet, the reality is:
  • I voted for Trump 3 times,
  • Have said numerous times that I am in favor of his energy policies,
  • Have said he is doing an outstanding job on the border and Homan is outstanding,
  • Hegseth is doing a very good job at DOD and I was wrong on that one,
  • I liked his monetary policy in the 1st term with Mnuchin and his general views on business,
  • like his strong military
  • I complimented him on avoiding mission creep in Iran

But, because I think the DOGE bit is a clown show that is not getting any real returns but theatrics
I don't trust Bessent and Trump's infatuation with Putin and hate when he goes in vendetta mode I am a TDSer.

I have seen more people do mental gymnastics to match up some of his action with what he claimed he wants than people outright just against him.
boognish_bear
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Jacques Strap
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I guess the ceasefire is on for now as it looks like Iran reopened airspace to commercial llights

boognish_bear
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Guess MIGA was short lived

Sam Lowry
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ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?
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Quote:

"no disruption to production".


Time will tell. The US action at least delays Iran's progress IMHO.

Seems like none of the other Arab states want to see Iran get nukes. The usual suspect in the USA were protesting the US action but I didn't see reports of anyone in the Middle east too upset that Iran's nuclear facilities got bombed by the US.

muddybrazos
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boognish_bear said:


He literally says in the first minute to get rid of omnibus spending bills which seems like it would solve a lot of problems.
Robert Wilson
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?


No, 'we' still have to worry about the international law police arresting us and taking us to the international law prosecutors who will try us in front of the international law tribunal which will put us in international law jail.

Or at least Trump does, along with the mouse in his pocket, if I followed your earlier posts. Unclear to me whether you are going with him given your liberal use of first person plural.
Sam Lowry
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Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?


No, 'we' still have to worry about the international law police arresting us and taking us to the international law prosecutors who will try us in front of the international law tribunal which will put us in international law jail.

Or at least Trump does, along with the mouse in his pocket, if I followed your earlier posts. Unclear to me whether you are going with him given your liberal use of first person plural.
I doubt Trump is worried about that. He (and you) know that the US playing the villain on the international stage has no consequences as long as Trump doesn't personally suffer for it. Well done, sir.
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FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Another rough week for the TDSers.
Why are you trying to make disagreement with policy personal? Many on here who disagree would disagree if it were Biden, Obama, Bush, Trump or Reagan.


The bigger question is why do you give a President a blind pass based on personality? Either you agree or you are a TDSer, you seem to be into labeling people that disagree. Very Bannon-esque of you...


It's not personal. TDS is a very real thing. Not everyone that disagrees with President Trump's policy is a TDSer - like Tucker Carlson or the crazy Georgia Congresswoman or Tom Massey - but many are. All your latter stuff is just projection - far fewer blindly give Trump a pass than blindly oppose him.
It is about 50/50.

MAGA has a tendency to focus on the negative policy assessments and overlook the positive to label someone TDS. The purpose of the label is to discredit the person and their view of the specific policy.

Many on here say I am a TDSer.

Yet, the reality is:
  • I voted for Trump 3 times,
  • Have said numerous times that I am in favor of his energy policies,
  • Have said he is doing an outstanding job on the border and Homan is outstanding,
  • Hegseth is doing a very good job at DOD and I was wrong on that one,
  • I liked his monetary policy in the 1st term with Mnuchin and his general views on business,
  • like his strong military
  • I complimented him on avoiding mission creep in Iran

But, because I think the DOGE bit is a clown show that is not getting any real returns but theatrics
I don't trust Bessent and Trump's infatuation with Putin and hate when he goes in vendetta mode I am a TDSer.

I have seen more people do mental gymnastics to match up some of his action with what he claimed he wants than people outright just against him.

What people are afraid of is a return to neocon bs. If you don't like the concept of trying to end the grift in DC or putting our government under a microscope and asking about where our money is going then it's basically a return to a George W Bush style of the GOP.

Trump isn't perfect, but if every single thing people disagree with him on is the end of the world or the criticism has the effect of completely killing the 'America First' movement, then we're going to go right back to where we came from.
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muddybrazos said:

boognish_bear said:


He literally says in the first minute to get rid of omnibus spending bills which seems like it would solve a lot of problems.
But how could we realistically end them?
boognish_bear
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muddybrazos
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Doc Holliday said:

muddybrazos said:

boognish_bear said:


He literally says in the first minute to get rid of omnibus spending bills which seems like it would solve a lot of problems.
But how could we realistically end them?
Seems like if we have a house majority then in theory could do that but I doubt you will get enough rinos to go along with actual reform so I guess nothing will ever change bc the dems arent changing anything.
Robert Wilson
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Sam Lowry said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?


No, 'we' still have to worry about the international law police arresting us and taking us to the international law prosecutors who will try us in front of the international law tribunal which will put us in international law jail.

Or at least Trump does, along with the mouse in his pocket, if I followed your earlier posts. Unclear to me whether you are going with him given your liberal use of first person plural.
I doubt Trump is worried about that. He (and you) know that the US playing the villain on the international stage has no consequences as long as Trump doesn't personally suffer for it. Well done, sir.


What a silly strawman. Sometimes you should just drop the shovel.
ATL Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?
If you're asking me, assuming Vance's assessment is correct, I'm good. Regime change would help the Iranian people, but if they want to live under autocratic Islamism that's on them.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

Let's here how Trump was right to get us in a war, right? It is Donald after all. He has to be right. Let the backtracking and justification begin.

Let's face it, you guys are just part of the cult. No new wars? Bring all our troops home. Anti-war President... Yeah. How much is he making on this, Trump benefits on everything he does.

News flash: if bombings & killings = war, the war started in 1980. Trump just gave us a chance to end it.


Right on cue... So now we are defining whT war is? Geez, just come out and say it Trump cannot do anything that isn't allowable. No matter what he said to get her elected, no matter what you guys said about Biden or really anything.

He just got the US involved in the Israeli/Iranian war. What happened to no new wars?

He is just like every other person that sits in that seat, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clnton, Bush and Reagan. Only thing is that his base would approve anything he does.
Boy. That one aged well. Have you heard about the ceasefire between Israel and Iran?

(answer: apparently not, because you be screaming that it didn't happen, wouldn't happen, couldn't happen, and any statements to the contrary are just image conjuring by the Orange Man Bad).
ATL Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?


No, 'we' still have to worry about the international law police arresting us and taking us to the international law prosecutors who will try us in front of the international law tribunal which will put us in international law jail.

Or at least Trump does, along with the mouse in his pocket, if I followed your earlier posts. Unclear to me whether you are going with him given your liberal use of first person plural.
I doubt Trump is worried about that. He (and you) know that the US playing the villain on the international stage has no consequences as long as Trump doesn't personally suffer for it. Well done, sir.
Being a massive state sponsor of terror that was secretly building nuclear weapons infrastructure that could endanger/kill millions = not villain. Taking out the nuclear part of the aforementioned = villain.

Got it…
whiterock
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Another rough week for the TDSers.
Why are you trying to make disagreement with policy personal? Many on here who disagree would disagree if it were Biden, Obama, Bush, Trump or Reagan.


The bigger question is why do you give a President a blind pass based on personality? Either you agree or you are a TDSer, you seem to be into labeling people that disagree. Very Bannon-esque of you...


Few, if any, give Trump a blind pass based on personality.

However after watching the Dems blatantly attempt to destroy our country…..it is an overwhelming RELIEF to see a physically brave man; incredibly resilient man….rebuild our economy, military and culture.
Excellent.

It's so simple. He's doing a better job than his predecessor. By a lot.

That's why the right track/wrong track numbers are back in positive territory for the first time in decades. The public can put up with his schtick because he's improving things across a wide spectrum of issues.
Sam Lowry
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Do you only obey the law because you're afraid of being punished?
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?
More importantly, you're once again batting .000 with your Iran predictions.

Took a huge swing and a miss on this one.

I think your record is safe.
FLBear5630
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Doc Holliday said:

FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

FLBear5630 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Another rough week for the TDSers.
Why are you trying to make disagreement with policy personal? Many on here who disagree would disagree if it were Biden, Obama, Bush, Trump or Reagan.


The bigger question is why do you give a President a blind pass based on personality? Either you agree or you are a TDSer, you seem to be into labeling people that disagree. Very Bannon-esque of you...


It's not personal. TDS is a very real thing. Not everyone that disagrees with President Trump's policy is a TDSer - like Tucker Carlson or the crazy Georgia Congresswoman or Tom Massey - but many are. All your latter stuff is just projection - far fewer blindly give Trump a pass than blindly oppose him.
It is about 50/50.

MAGA has a tendency to focus on the negative policy assessments and overlook the positive to label someone TDS. The purpose of the label is to discredit the person and their view of the specific policy.

Many on here say I am a TDSer.

Yet, the reality is:
  • I voted for Trump 3 times,
  • Have said numerous times that I am in favor of his energy policies,
  • Have said he is doing an outstanding job on the border and Homan is outstanding,
  • Hegseth is doing a very good job at DOD and I was wrong on that one,
  • I liked his monetary policy in the 1st term with Mnuchin and his general views on business,
  • like his strong military
  • I complimented him on avoiding mission creep in Iran

But, because I think the DOGE bit is a clown show that is not getting any real returns but theatrics
I don't trust Bessent and Trump's infatuation with Putin and hate when he goes in vendetta mode I am a TDSer.

I have seen more people do mental gymnastics to match up some of his action with what he claimed he wants than people outright just against him.

What people are afraid of is a return to neocon bs. If you don't like the concept of trying to end the grift in DC or putting our government under a microscope and asking about where our money is going then it's basically a return to a George W Bush style of the GOP.

Trump isn't perfect, but if every single thing people disagree with him on is the end of the world or the criticism has the effect of completely killing the 'America First' movement, then we're going to go right back to where we came from.
Well, if bombing Iran, tying the US Treasury to crypto, slapping 50% tariffs across the board and gutting the Federal work force don't qualify as items worth scrutinizing what in the hell does... These are not little things.

Actually, the fact that people don't see what has been done as major and view them as ho-hum is more of a problem.
Mothra
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?


No, 'we' still have to worry about the international law police arresting us and taking us to the international law prosecutors who will try us in front of the international law tribunal which will put us in international law jail.

Or at least Trump does, along with the mouse in his pocket, if I followed your earlier posts. Unclear to me whether you are going with him given your liberal use of first person plural.
I doubt Trump is worried about that. He (and you) know that the US playing the villain on the international stage has no consequences as long as Trump doesn't personally suffer for it. Well done, sir.
Being a massive state sponsor of terror that was secretly building nuclear weapons infrastructure that could endanger/kill millions = not villain. Taking out the nuclear part of the aforementioned = villain.

Got it…
Indeed, that's his playbook in a nutshell. Despots, tyrants and Islamist terrorists are always the good guys in Sam's world, and America and its allies (especially Israel) are always the bad (unless they're trying to shut down businesses and mandate vaccines of course).

It's been that way for years with this nut.
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Robert Wilson
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Sam Lowry said:

Do you only obey the law because you're afraid of being punished?


You're such a midwit.
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ron.reagan said:

shortest cease fire in history. The 12 second cease fire
Everywhere you go, there is always "that guy"...........

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