War with Iran?

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ron.reagan
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The_barBEARian said:

ron.reagan said:

boognish_bear said:


If bombing was an act of war we'd have dozens of concurrent wars going on at all times


The guy closing the door is 20 years older than me, re-tard. Way to use a boomer meme
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Doc Holliday said:

Mothra said:

Doc Holliday said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Who on here fits that description?

I think Trump is going all in on representing boomercons. It's pissin me off.





lol at blaming boomers for everything. It's a silly schtick.

Here's a GenXer on board with bombing Iran's nuke facilities.
You on board with a forever war?


My friend we have been in a shadow war with Iran since 1979.

Enduring over a thousand casualties in the process.

Glad we are finally attacking the source directly and doing what's necessary.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...



Things change. New information comes to light.

Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.


I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.

He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.

Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?

Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.

My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.

Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.




Yep, I mean we have Trump's first term. Peace. And we have him this term where he tried to pursue peace for other wars. He avoided Ukraine. But for the drama queens, there can be no excuse great enough, or any benefit of the doubt. Just arm chair quarterbacks who believe it's OK if Iran makes nukes or other WMDs.
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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historian said:






Bunkers were busted out as well.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
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Realitybites
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boognish_bear said:



Sure thing. I'll just crank up production on the well in my backyard and make up for the 20% of the global supply of crude that flows through the Straits of Hormuz.
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White House Press Secretary Hints At Iran Regime Change, Claims Intel Said 'Weeks' From Nuclear Bomb

The mission creep begins.

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Realitybites said:

White House Press Secretary Hints At Iran Regime Change, Claims Intel Said 'Weeks' From Nuclear Bomb

The mission creep begins.




Boiling a frog
Mothra
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Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Sure thing. I'll just crank up production on the well in my backyard and make up for the 20% of the global supply of crude that flows through the Straits of Hormuz.


No need. The Iranians don't have the ability to close Hormuz.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...



Things change. New information comes to light.

Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.


I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.

He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.

Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?

Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.

My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.

Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.




Yep, I mean we have Trump's first term. Peace. And we have him this term where he tried to pursue peace for other wars. He avoided Ukraine. But for the drama queens, there can be no excuse great enough, or any benefit of the doubt. Just arm chair quarterbacks who believe it's OK if Iran makes nukes or other WMDs.
Would you have been ok with Biden bombing Iran? You weren't with providing weapons to Ukraine, that was pushing WW3. And this isn't?
Mothra
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J.R. said:

Mothra said:

Doc Holliday said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Who on here fits that description?

I think Trump is going all in on representing boomercons. It's pissin me off.





lol at blaming boomers for everything. It's a silly schtick.

Here's a GenXer on board with bombing Iran's nuke facilities.
shut your pie hole, Boomer. My recent graduation from college with or without a job makes me a subject matter expert because of my vast experience and "book learning"!, boomer. It's kick arse schtick!
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FLBear5630 said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...



Things change. New information comes to light.

Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.


I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.

He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.

Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?

Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.

My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.

Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.




Yep, I mean we have Trump's first term. Peace. And we have him this term where he tried to pursue peace for other wars. He avoided Ukraine. But for the drama queens, there can be no excuse great enough, or any benefit of the doubt. Just arm chair quarterbacks who believe it's OK if Iran makes nukes or other WMDs.
Would you have been ok with Biden bombing Iran? You weren't with providing weapons to Ukraine, that was pushing WW3. And this isn't?

The ONLY example I can think of Pres Obama doing something, literally anything, that was in America's interest was when he took out the Somali pirates. The metrosexual wimp actually showed real leadership & did something decisive. It was good for America and for the world. And the Somali pirates were no longer a threat.

Heck, Hollywood even made a movie about it starring Tom Hanks.

If Biden, or his auto pen, had done something similar, I would have been pleased. But Biden (his auto pen) did not do a single thing that benefitted the country, not that I can recall.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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historian said:

FLBear5630 said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...



Things change. New information comes to light.

Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.


I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.

He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.

Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?

Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.

My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.

Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.




Yep, I mean we have Trump's first term. Peace. And we have him this term where he tried to pursue peace for other wars. He avoided Ukraine. But for the drama queens, there can be no excuse great enough, or any benefit of the doubt. Just arm chair quarterbacks who believe it's OK if Iran makes nukes or other WMDs.
Would you have been ok with Biden bombing Iran? You weren't with providing weapons to Ukraine, that was pushing WW3. And this isn't?

The ONLY example I can think of Pres Obama doing something, literally anything, that was in America's interest was when he took out the Somali pirates. The metrosexual wimp actually showed real leadership & did something decisive. It was good for America and for the world. And the Somali pirates were no longer a threat.

Heck, Hollywood even made a movie about it starring Tom Hanks.

If Biden, or his auto pen, had done something similar, I would have been pleased. But Biden (his auto pen) did not do a single thing that benefitted the country, not that I can recall.
In fairness . . . he did take out the Bin Laden guy . . . .
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ron.reagan said:

The_barBEARian said:

ron.reagan said:

boognish_bear said:


If bombing was an act of war we'd have dozens of concurrent wars going on at all times


The guy closing the door is 20 years older than me, re-tard. Way to use a boomer meme

Mothra
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Realitybites said:

White House Press Secretary Hints At Iran Regime Change, Claims Intel Said 'Weeks' From Nuclear Bomb

The mission creep begins.


The title of the article suggests the US is going to be engaged in regime change. That's a dishonest interpretation of the press secretary's comments. Her exact quote was "why shouldn't the Iranian people take away the power of this incredibly violent regime." Indeed, we have been hoping for same for almost 50 years.

The idea that means the US is now involved in a regime change operation is just hogwash, and a mischaracterization of her comments.

I think some of you boys are just looking for anything you can latch onto in order to support your narrative. The question is, will you be disappointed when this all blows over in a few weeks, and we aren't engaged in a protracted war?
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

ron.reagan said:

The_barBEARian said:

ron.reagan said:

boognish_bear said:


If bombing was an act of war we'd have dozens of concurrent wars going on at all times


The guy closing the door is 20 years older than me, re-tard. Way to use a boomer meme


historian
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Good point. But that was more the Navy Seals than Obama. All he did was do the obvious and authorize it. Then Barack, Hillary, & others watched the live feed with horror on their faces. And Hollywood made a movie about it too.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Sure thing. I'll just crank up production on the well in my backyard and make up for the 20% of the global supply of crude that flows through the Straits of Hormuz.


No need. The Iranians don't have the ability to close Hormuz.

And spend more money keeping it open than its actually worth?

You might as well seize all the oil and gas from those little piss-ant Gulf Arab mafia states - Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, UAE.... you are going to need to pay for your new forever war somehow and America is beyond broke.

If you are going to warmonger... do it properly.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Sure thing. I'll just crank up production on the well in my backyard and make up for the 20% of the global supply of crude that flows through the Straits of Hormuz.


No need. The Iranians don't have the ability to close Hormuz.

And spend more money keeping it open than its actually worth?

You might as well seize all the oil and gas from those little piss-ant Gulf Arab mafia states - Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, UAE.... you are going to need to pay for your new forever war somehow and America is beyond broke.

If you are going to warmonger... do it properly.
Nah. I am not a drama queen suffering under the delusion that a strike on Iran's nuclear sites changes much of anything, other than ridding Iran of nuclear weapons for the time being. Again, no need.
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“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Doc Holliday
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KaiBear said:

Doc Holliday said:

Mothra said:

Doc Holliday said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Who on here fits that description?

I think Trump is going all in on representing boomercons. It's pissin me off.





lol at blaming boomers for everything. It's a silly schtick.

Here's a GenXer on board with bombing Iran's nuke facilities.
You on board with a forever war?


My friend we have been in a shadow war with Iran since 1979.

Enduring over a thousand casualties in the process.

Glad we are finally attacking the source directly and doing what's necessary.


Well then put another few trillion dollars on our tab if we start pursuing a multi year regime change
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The_barBEARian
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Doc Holliday said:



Russia can dump all their Chechens and other Muslims on Iran and they are happy to go!

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historian said:




lol "fr"

Fo Real
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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FLBear5630 said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

FLBear5630 said:

GrowlTowel said:

I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.


We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.

The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.

Massey is now out of MAGA.


Have you not followed politics very long?


Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...



Things change. New information comes to light.

Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.


I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.

He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.

Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?

Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.

My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.

Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.




Yep, I mean we have Trump's first term. Peace. And we have him this term where he tried to pursue peace for other wars. He avoided Ukraine. But for the drama queens, there can be no excuse great enough, or any benefit of the doubt. Just arm chair quarterbacks who believe it's OK if Iran makes nukes or other WMDs.
Would you have been ok with Biden bombing Iran? You weren't with providing weapons to Ukraine, that was pushing WW3. And this isn't?


Not Biden, because I don't believe he was cognitively well.

As for Obama, sure enough, if it was clear there was the very real possibility of Iran getting nukes. But he chose to give them billions of dollars instead.

I mean, we all have the same info as just mere citizens.
We don't know what is the real threat vs imagined, but I do believe Iran is an evil led country that is intent on destroying America and Israel. The very fact that everyone now fears sleeper cells is just further proof of that. Once they have nukes, our options are a bit more limited. Sadly, I believe that 4 years of Biden has put the world into a powder keg situation. Any spark may ignite somethings very big. Hoping that the Ukraine is exhausting Russian will to amp up the stakes with Iran.

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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

White House Press Secretary Hints At Iran Regime Change, Claims Intel Said 'Weeks' From Nuclear Bomb

The mission creep begins.


The title of the article suggests the US is going to be engaged in regime change. That's a dishonest interpretation of the press secretary's comments. Her exact quote was "why shouldn't the Iranian people take away the power of this incredibly violent regime." Indeed, we have been hoping for same for almost 50 years.

The idea that means the US is now involved in a regime change operation is just hogwash, and a mischaracterization of her comments.

I think some of you boys are just looking for anything you can latch onto in order to support your narrative. The question is, will you be disappointed when this all blows over in a few weeks, and we aren't engaged in a protracted war?


I hope what you are saying is the reality of the situation. I hope any talk of regime change is in the hopes that the people of Iran demand it and take action.

But....if that is the case Trump needs to choose his words more wisely. As the leader of the free world he has to know his words are very powerful. The way he worded this should have made it clear that this was not regime change driven by the US. Others in his cabinet have been very direct saying this is not about regime change...and then he shoots this out there that can easily be misinterpreted.

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Hopefully the Iranian people simplify this for everyone in the reasonably near future. Hopefully…

Not a coincidence that is real today blew up the headquarters of the local enforcers for the current regime.
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Mothra
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boognish_bear said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

White House Press Secretary Hints At Iran Regime Change, Claims Intel Said 'Weeks' From Nuclear Bomb

The mission creep begins.


The title of the article suggests the US is going to be engaged in regime change. That's a dishonest interpretation of the press secretary's comments. Her exact quote was "why shouldn't the Iranian people take away the power of this incredibly violent regime." Indeed, we have been hoping for same for almost 50 years.

The idea that means the US is now involved in a regime change operation is just hogwash, and a mischaracterization of her comments.

I think some of you boys are just looking for anything you can latch onto in order to support your narrative. The question is, will you be disappointed when this all blows over in a few weeks, and we aren't engaged in a protracted war?


I hope what you are saying is the reality of the situation. I hope any talk of regime change is in the hopes that the people of Iran demand it and take action.

But....if that is the case Trump needs to choose his words more wisely. As the leader of the free world he has to know his words are very powerful. The way he worded this should have made it clear that this was not regime change driven by the US. Others in his cabinet have been very direct saying this is not about regime change...and then he shoots this out there that can easily be misinterpreted.


I take EVERYTHING Trump says with a massive grain of salt. Instead, I focus on what his actions are. And if his first term is any indication, he's not going to be a guy who gets us into a ground war, or even an extended aerial campaign against another country. He's called Iraq and Afghanistan massive mistakes. He excoriated Bush over them.

So when he makes vague statements like this on social media, I typically ask myself - what's his goal here? What is he trying to accomplish? And I think we can safely say his vague statements are designed to intimidate Iran, and prevent them from taking some action in retaliation for the US strikes. This is what he very often does, only to soften his stance as a later date.

Even the comment at issue isn't saying we are going to be involved in a regime change operation.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:




Iran said that immediately after the bombs fell. Why would they tell us that? Why would we believe it? What place could possibly be safer?

But who knows, if true, they still likely needed the centrifuges that were destroyed.

Right now, it's everyone's best guesses.
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