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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.
" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.
Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.
The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.
These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.
Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"
If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.
But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.
Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.
I dont know about end of America or the WW3 stuff but I still believe that this whole Iran situation is far from over and Israel will not quit until they do regime change there. I hope the war stuff doesnt escalate and drag us into it, though.
But your ilk was predicting all of the above.
You're kind of the boy who cried wolf.
No, not really. The majority of the MAGA base doesnt want any wars and Trump has been made aware of that so I think he is doing his best to avoid that situation. The war hawks like you and Mark Levin are pushing for all out ww3 so I hope your side ends up disappointed.
you are imputing to others what you need them to be rather than what they are, have said, etc...
No one here came remotely close to advocating an invasion of Iran. And one was never in the cards anyway. You are apparently not old enough to remember, the First Gulf War. It took us better part of FIVE MONTHS to get deployed to slice up Saddam's army in a few days. We requisitioned civilian sea lift. We requisitioned civilian airlift. Moved an entire Corps plus some (700k troops) into theater. We didn't lift a finger to do anything like that this time. Just moved some ships & aircraft around and staged some fuel & weapons to keep planes in the air to interdict Iranian incoming.
So the "war" everyone screamed about literally could not have happened. But they wanted to have one to ***** about so badly that they 100% conjured one up out of whole cloth.
That is not accurate. We could easily have ramped up, escalating were by week, for months. We could have said our goal was finding the enriched uranium and recovering it. Or that we needed nuclear specialists to actually investigate the sites we bombed, to know how damaged they were.
There was no way we were invading without troop movement, but anyone 25 years old remembers how easy it is for the federal government to convince themselves invasion is good.
I did not speculate about what we could have done. I merely noted that we did not do ANYthing necessary to go to war. We did not preposition ANY soldiers, armored vehicles, supplies, support infrastructure. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. An invasion did not happen because one could not have happened. Nothing to invade with. Most of the talking heads screaming about us going to war full well knew that. They were just pandering to their base, and flexing their muscles to protect their positions.
You can't "sneak" 750k troops and all their weapons, armor, and supply chain to the far side of the world without someone spotting it. It took 5 months for us to do for 1GW, even with all the requisitions of civilian air/sea lift. Woulda taken years to try to do it the way you suggest (and still get spotted...you can't hide an armored division, much less a half dozen of them).
All we did was conduct flight & refueling operations to help protect Israeli airspace (and by extension Jordanian & Saudi & potentially Egyptian airspace). So did most of the militaries in the region, btw. Several Nato countries, too.... What we did was conduct a robust air defense mission, with allies and for allies, with a single air raid against a strategic target of immense national security significance. Israel did all the grunt work, taking out Iranian aircraft, air defense systems, command & control, etc..... They paved the street for us. (again, proving their worth as an asset).
I largely agree, but disagree with your previous statement that ground invasion "could not have happened." It absolutely could have. We simply chose to stop after targeting their nuclear facilities, and accepted that they still have their enriched uranium.
LOL well, of course we could have invaded Iran rather than bombed it..... IF we had taken 6 months or so of moving an entire corps of troops & logistics into theater. Last time we did that, Congress voted in advance to to it. Then we had a flurry of Executive Orders requisitioning civilian air/sea lift assets followed by warning orders for troops to mass at embarkation points. And on and on and on....weeks of steady build up (affording ever more leverage to diplomats), to include resolutions at the UN and announcements of formal alliance participants. But NONE that never happened this go-around. Not so much as a synapse in that direction.
The prospect of war so many screamed about by definition could not have happened. It was a terrible waste of political capital by the isolationist right.
No one said it would happen this week. Please, for pity's sake, leave that poor straw man alone. I can't watch any more.
So then we should also whine & squeal about imminent war with Chile, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Uruguay, Brazil, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, French Guyana, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Belize, Mexico, Jamaica, Cuba, Haiti, Dominican Republic, etc.....around the whole world because, technically, it could happen next week or next month since we are so powerful we can go and do anything we want and of course are an imperial power seeking to dominate the whole world, turning every square inch our solidiers' boots touch as American territory because, you know, we can..... I mean, everybody knows that the USA is the great Satan of the world, dominating everyone and everything to inflict the tryanny of baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie on unsuspecting huddled masses everywhere because we have manifest destiny to...... Did you know we have NUCLEAR WEAPONS? Dear God, what a menace we are to everyone.
