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This is where we disagree. I am unwilling to rely on the goodwill and reasoning abilities of a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots to behave with a cache of nuclear weapons. And I think doing so would be extremely foolish.

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Do you think that the majority of the senior leadership of *any* country actually believes in an ideology besides self enrichment?

There's a lot of intentional obtuseness going on. Some of us are warning that we don't want a regime change war in the Middle East. Then we get throngs of accounts yelling at us that Trump isn't doing a regime change war so we should just shut up. Yes, we know. He's not yet.…

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 17, 2025

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This is where we disagree. I am unwilling to rely on the goodwill and reasoning abilities of a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots to behave with a cache of nuclear weapons. And I think doing so would be extremely foolish.

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Do you think that the majority of the senior leadership of *any* country actually believes in an ideology besides self enrichment?

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No, but that's completely irrelevant to whether a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots should have nuclear weapons, don't you think?

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No, but that's completely irrelevant to whether a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots should have nuclear weapons, don't you think?

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First, you're operating from the false premise that that is what they were trying to achieve.

Second, you're operating from the premise that the senior leadership is interested in derailing their gravy train by turning Islamic eschatology into actual foreign policy.

The only people I see trying to turn eschatology into foreign policy are Likud and their Hal Lindsey type friends.

The deep state is in it for the money.

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No, but that's completely irrelevant to whether a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots should have nuclear weapons, don't you think?

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First, you're operating from the false premise that that is what they were trying to achieve.

Second, you're operating from the premise that the senior leadership is interested in derailing their gravy train by turning Islamic eschatology into actual foreign policy.

The only people I see trying to turn eschatology into foreign policy are Lukid and their Hal Lindsey type friends.

The deep state is in it for the money.

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You serious, Clark?

The IAEA has reported multiple violations on the part of Iran of the Safeguards Agreement, including failing to account for materials and failure to disclose secret enrichment facilities. Moreover, Iran is enriching uranium beyond what is required to run a nuclear reactor. Those are the hallmark signs of a clandestine nuclear weapon program, and certainly solid circumstantial evidence of same. It is the reason the IAEA has declared them to be in violation of the NPT. Should we just stick our heads in the sand and ignore the attempts to deceive the IAEA?

With respect to your second point, as I said originally, I suppose we can all hope that Iran will not follow through with its threats to wipe Israel off the map (well, in your case, and Barbearian's case, I suppose you'd be happy with that). I suppose we can hope that the number one sponsor of Islamic terrorism in the world today will behave reasonably with a weapon that could annihilate millions. It seems you're more than willing to roll the dice on that. Guess the question is, what if you're wrong? Is it worth a nuclear detonation that kills hundreds of thousands or even millions? Let's just say that it kills white people that voted for Trump, and not merely dirty Jews? Cool that that?

As for the conspiracy bull****, I'll choose not to partake. Knock your socks off with the deep state and Lukid crap.

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This is absolutely a must watch. Trump's actions with regard to the Iran-Israel war are going to fracture the MAGA alliance. Turn off Fox News for an hour.

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Good. I am fine with these Putin-loving nutjobs and convicted felons ****ing off.

I am not sure there's a bigger POS on the planet than Bannon.

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A key difference between us is I don't hate others and judge them based on their race or nationality.

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I have a myraid of reasons to judge Israelis and dislike them.. the current reason is starting a major war and then successfully manipulating simple minded Americans like yourself into dragging my country into it.

We have plenty of problems and fighting Israel's wars shouldn't be one of them.

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I also don't teach my kids to be proud of their whiteness.

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You keep bringing this up like I am suppose to be ashamed of being white or that being proud of my heritage is wrong... it is very bizarre behavior coming from a self-proclaimed conservative.

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Bizarre is being proud of your skin color. It's quite bizarre.

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Then much of the world is bizarre.

Japanese
Germans
Irish
Chinese
Russians


Each race is entitled to be proud of who they are.

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Thank goodness for Czech pride-kolache, klobasniky

Thank goodness for Texas pride-brisket

Thank goodness for Cajun pride-gumbo, redfish, etouffe

And so many more foods that I get exposed to at different festivals celebrating heritage, not arrogance, but heritage.

I love me some goulash, blintz, potato latkes.
How about you barBEARian?

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According to Mothra that would make you white supremacist Neo-Nazi....

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I typically reserve those labels for white supremacist Neo-Nazis. Ironically, in your case, the shoe actually fits.

I bet you are the pastiest of white boys. The internet tough guy.

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This is where we disagree. I am unwilling to rely on the goodwill and reasoning abilities of a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots to behave with a cache of nuclear weapons. And I think doing so would be extremely foolish.

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Yes. Islamism is a unique entity. And in the Middle East, the answer isn't binary, it is both. Isn't that what you guys accuse Israel of all the time?

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This is absolutely a must watch. Trump's actions with regard to the Iran-Israel war are going to fracture the MAGA alliance. Turn off Fox News for an hour.

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Good. I am fine with these Putin-loving nutjobs and convicted felons ****ing off.

I am not sure there's a bigger POS on the planet than Bannon.

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Mothra in 2028: "Bannon may not be perfect, but any pragmatic conservative can see that he's the lesser of two evils."

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This is absolutely a must watch. Trump's actions with regard to the Iran-Israel war are going to fracture the MAGA alliance. Turn off Fox News for an hour.

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So I'm guessing it's a no from Bannon on the 3rd term now…

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This is absolutely a must watch. Trump's actions with regard to the Iran-Israel war are going to fracture the MAGA alliance. Turn off Fox News for an hour.

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Good. I am fine with these Putin-loving nutjobs and convicted felons ****ing off.

I am not sure there's a bigger POS on the planet than Bannon.

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Mothra in 2028: "Bannon may not be perfect, but any pragmatic conservative can see that he's the lesser of two evils."

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Sam in 2028 and beyond: "No perfect candidate is running for office, so I am going to take my ball and go home. That'll show 'em!"

BTW, the irony is, Bannon may actually be your perfect candidate. Apparently he hates Israel, is cool with Iran, and loves him some Putin. Who knew how much you had in common with him and bowtie.

JUST IN: 🇮🇷 Iranian State TV says "tonight, a great surprise will occur, one that the world will remember for centuries." pic.twitter.com/jf9IlGgCEZ

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) June 17, 2025

Incoming reports of Iranian military officers seeking contact with Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi to declare their intent to defect.

They also want to pledge their allegiance to His Majesty and his mission to lead the transition to democracy in Iran after the regime’s fall

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) June 17, 2025

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JUST IN: 🇮🇷 Iranian State TV says "tonight, a great surprise will occur, one that the world will remember for centuries." pic.twitter.com/jf9IlGgCEZ

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) June 17, 2025

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Not sure if this is the "great" surprise

Iran launched today’s largest barrage of ballistic missiles against Israel but it seems that all of them were either shot down are hit open areas without causing casualties pic.twitter.com/QI2VFElnIE

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) June 17, 2025

Journalist and traveler Georgiy Zotov on everyday corruption and false patriotism in Iran, and why this enables brazen Israeli operations, from Telegram (stolen from Dimitriev's channel). Tl;DR: everything is fake and built on bullshit. pic.twitter.com/O96oFW5m3O

— Teortaxes▶️ (DeepSeek 推特🐋铁粉 2023 – ∞) (@teortaxesTex) June 16, 2025

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🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources. pic.twitter.com/ThTOIo7meU

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) June 17, 2025

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B 52's are so obsolete its ridiculous.

IMO they are more dangerous to their air crews than anything else we've got flying.

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This is absolutely a must watch. Trump's actions with regard to the Iran-Israel war are going to fracture the MAGA alliance. Turn off Fox News for an hour.

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Good. I am fine with these Putin-loving nutjobs and convicted felons ****ing off.

I am not sure there's a bigger POS on the planet than Bannon.

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Mothra in 2028 when Tucker becomes President with Bannon as Secretary of State:

Ted Cruz on Iran. Full interview tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/hJNwAHAnxZ

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) June 18, 2025

I regret voting for Ted Cruz...

Anyone else remember when Tucker single handedly ended Mike Pence's career with one 30 min interview?

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🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources. pic.twitter.com/ThTOIo7meU

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) June 17, 2025

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B 52's are so obsolete its ridiculous.

IMO they are more dangerous to their air crews than anything else we've got flying.

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For more than 60 years, B-52s have been the backbone of the strategic bomber force for the United States. The B-52 is capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory. This includes gravity bombs, cluster bombs, precision guided missiles and joint direct attack munitions. Updated with modern technology, the B-52 is capable of delivering the full complement of joint developed weapons and will continue into the 21st century as an important element of our nation's defenses. The Air Force currently expects to operate B-52s through 2050.

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Ted Cruz on Iran. Full interview tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/hJNwAHAnxZ

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) June 18, 2025

I regret voting for Ted Cruz...

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Tucker ever the pompous ass. He's so silly with his little game of gotcha.

Cruz is smarter by far but silly to go on his show, knowing this is what he and his team do - try to embarrass those they disagree with.

Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 17, 2025

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Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 17, 2025

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Look at the bright side... at least a lot of guys working at the CIA and former Military Brass turned defense contractors made a LOT of money...

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Ted Cruz on Iran. Full interview tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/hJNwAHAnxZ

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) June 18, 2025

I regret voting for Ted Cruz...

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Tucker ever the pompous ass. He's so silly with his little game of gotcha.

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You just wish you were that good at it.

Here's an interesting article on Tucker Carlson going off the deep end:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/06/at_2025_06_16.html

BREAKING: Trump getting ready to name a new Supreme Leader of Iran pic.twitter.com/wskhLXlyOB

— Colin P. Clarke (@ColinPClarke) June 17, 2025

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Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 17, 2025

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I agree... regime change is pointless.
We should just nuke every large city in Iran, and call it a day.
The Iranians will never seek peace with the West or with Israel... so let's just end it already.
If Iran was nuked off the planet tomorrow.... would you really notice any difference? Really?

It’s over pic.twitter.com/te6FEWTYFx

— Not Jerome Powell (@alifarhat79) June 17, 2025

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Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 17, 2025

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I agree... regime change is pointless.
We should just nuke every large city in Iran, and call it a day.
The Iranians will never seek peace with the West or with Israel... so let's just end it already.
If Iran was nuked off the planet tomorrow.... would you really notice any difference? Really?

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I am with you that flatting Tehran is better than any sort of occupation (that must be off the table)

But don't count out the youth of Iran….they are not interested in the extremism of the regime leaders

I posted this before but bears a repeating.

Young Iranians under 40 are much more secular than anyone has thought and very much tired of the regime

[Since the revolution, literacy rates have risen sharply and the urban population has grown substantially. Levels of internet penetration in Iran are comparable to those in Italy, with around 60 million users and the number grows relentlessly: 70% of adults are members of at least one social media platform….

For our survey on religious belief in Iran, we targeted diverse digital channels after analysing which groups showed lower participation rates in our previous large-scale surveys….

Our results reveal DRAMATIC changes in Iranian religiosity, with an increase in secularisation and a diversity of faiths & beliefs. Compared with Iran's 99.5% census figure, we found that ONLY 40% identified as Muslim.

In contrast with state propaganda that portrays Iran as a Shia nation, only 32% explicitly identified as such, while 5% said they were Sunni Muslim and 3% Sufi Muslim. Another 9% said they were atheists, along with 7% who prefer the label of spirituality. Among the other selected religions, 8% said they were Zoroastrians which we interpret as a reflection of Persian nationalism and a desire for an alternative to Islam, rather than strict adherence to the Zoroastrian faith while 1.5% said they were Christian.]

https://theconversation.com/irans-secular-shift-new-survey-reveals-huge-changes-in-religious-beliefs-145253

Let the Iranians handle the regime change. Its time to rise up

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🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources. pic.twitter.com/ThTOIo7meU

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) June 17, 2025

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B 52's are so obsolete its ridiculous.

IMO they are more dangerous to their air crews than anything else we've got flying.

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For more than 60 years, B-52s have been the backbone of the strategic bomber force for the United States. The B-52 is capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory. This includes gravity bombs, cluster bombs, precision guided missiles and joint direct attack munitions. Updated with modern technology, the B-52 is capable of delivering the full complement of joint developed weapons and will continue into the 21st century as an important element of our nation's defenses. The Air Force currently expects to operate B-52s through 2050.

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LOL

The B52 is a flying coffin for its crew in any situation short of 100% air superiority over its target zone.

And with modern mobile missile platforms available; maintaining 100% air superiority is a vanishing proposition.

Past time to put B52s in the scrapyard before our airmen get hurt.

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🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources. pic.twitter.com/ThTOIo7meU

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) June 17, 2025

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B 52's are so obsolete its ridiculous.

IMO they are more dangerous to their air crews than anything else we've got flying.

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For more than 60 years, B-52s have been the backbone of the strategic bomber force for the United States. The B-52 is capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory. This includes gravity bombs, cluster bombs, precision guided missiles and joint direct attack munitions. Updated with modern technology, the B-52 is capable of delivering the full complement of joint developed weapons and will continue into the 21st century as an important element of our nation's defenses. The Air Force currently expects to operate B-52s through 2050.

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LOL

The B52 is a flying coffin for its crew in any situation short of 100% air superiority over its target zone.

And with modern mobile missile platforms available; maintaining 100% air superiority is a vanishing proposition.

Past time to put B52s in the scrapyard before our airmen get hurt.

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Depends on what counter measures the US has for drones, missiles, and detection systems. If drones are neutralized, the old bombers could be back in business. They just won't be in the first waves of war - unless they are carpet droning an area.

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🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources. pic.twitter.com/ThTOIo7meU

— Vivid.🇮🇱 (@VividProwess) June 17, 2025

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B 52's are so obsolete its ridiculous.

IMO they are more dangerous to their air crews than anything else we've got flying.

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For more than 60 years, B-52s have been the backbone of the strategic bomber force for the United States. The B-52 is capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory. This includes gravity bombs, cluster bombs, precision guided missiles and joint direct attack munitions. Updated with modern technology, the B-52 is capable of delivering the full complement of joint developed weapons and will continue into the 21st century as an important element of our nation's defenses. The Air Force currently expects to operate B-52s through 2050.

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LOL

The B52 is a flying coffin for its crew in any situation short of 100% air superiority over its target zone.

And with modern mobile missile platforms available; maintaining 100% air superiority is a vanishing proposition.

Past time to put B52s in the scrapyard before our airmen get hurt.

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I think you underestimate our ability to achieve 100% air superiority. Pretty much at will.

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Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 17, 2025

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I agree... regime change is pointless.
We should just nuke every large city in Iran, and call it a day.
The Iranians will never seek peace with the West or with Israel... so let's just end it already.
If Iran was nuked off the planet tomorrow.... would you really notice any difference? Really?

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I would at least notice the wanton murder of 90 million people, but that's probably just the Catholic in me. I may not understand Scripture as well as you do.

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Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 17, 2025

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I agree... regime change is pointless.
We should just nuke every large city in Iran, and call it a day.
The Iranians will never seek peace with the West or with Israel... so let's just end it already.
If Iran was nuked off the planet tomorrow.... would you really notice any difference? Really?

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I would at least notice the wanton murder of 90 million people, but that's probably just the Catholic in me. I may not understand Scripture as well as you do.

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Hey, we agree on something this month!