quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Well at least Trump will have given you somebody to blame.

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I love how you don't even care about illegal immigration at all.

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Sorry you skip every post where I describe what's wrong and how to fix it.

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How do you fix it? Make everyone legal?

Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

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Im talking an upcoming global despression with starvation and death...

I believe if we keep spending and behaving the way we are as a country, it will happen at some point in my lifetime.

The ball will drop.

Doc Holliday said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

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Im talking an upcoming global despression with starvation and death...

I believe if we keep spending and behaving the way we are as a country, it will happen at some point in my lifetime.

The ball will drop.

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You've been watching too many EOTW movies.

Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

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My friend on one hand I admire your fortitude......

on the other hand I don't wish to ever stand within 100 yards of you !


( just kidding )

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Well at least Trump will have given you somebody to blame.

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I love how you don't even care about illegal immigration at all.

Like zero paying attention to any aspects or statistics on illegal immigration. All you look at and adhere to is your own principles and ideology.

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Illegal immigrants are safer than citizens.

They're economic generators.

You're not paying for much.

Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

I admire that oldbear. I don't know had you did the college thing. Praying for your health

BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

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chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

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My friend on one hand I admire your fortitude......

on the other hand I don't wish to ever stand within 100 yards of you !


( just kidding )

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy, the lightning bolts stopped landing a long time ago.

And the sudden change in weather is just a coincidence.

Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

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My friend on one hand I admire your fortitude......

on the other hand I don't wish to ever stand within 100 yards of you !


( just kidding )

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy, the lightning bolts stopped landing a long time ago.

And the sudden change in weather is just a coincidence.

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Good !

But I'm still not flying with you .

No need to argue both sides of the equation. If, and it's a large if, Trump does activate the National Security button the SCOTUS will reverse him almost immediately. See Truman and the steel industry/unions/SCOTUS.

Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Ummm

I've been shot at twice, been hit by a drunk driver, been in an airplane "landing" where the gear collapsed.

I have cancer

I have lost jobs due to false accusations, and been denied hires because of my race and because of my age

I never received a penny of grant or scholarship money for either of my two degrees, and saved money to put two daughters through college, again without any government help.

I have lived through six tornadoes, two hurricanes, and both the Carter and Obama administrations.

I have been to work during sub-zero temperatures, and worked outside in temperatures above 100 degrees.

I think I have been through some hardships worth counting.

But I don't whine about them.

---

My friend on one hand I admire your fortitude......

on the other hand I don't wish to ever stand within 100 yards of you !


( just kidding )

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy, the lightning bolts stopped landing a long time ago.

And the sudden change in weather is just a coincidence.

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Good !

But I'm still not flying with you .

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And his dog answers to Lucky!

Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

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chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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No need to argue both sides of the equation. If, and it's a large if, Trump does activate the National Security button the SCOTUS will reverse him almost immediately. See Truman and the steel industry/unions/SCOTUS.

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Big difference between Trump and Truman/steel mills is that Truman did not have National Emergencies Act; he claimed that executive emergency power to take over those steel mills. Congress actually gave executive branch that authority to declare national emergencies in 1976; Trump actually has and has utilized that power. That's a big difference.

BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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Exactly. Immigration is driven by opportunity. Straight up capitalism. Trump, and his supporters here, want the state to interfere (trade barriers/wars, labor barriers) with market forces. Command economies suck.

YoakDaddy said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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No need to argue both sides of the equation. If, and it's a large if, Trump does activate the National Security button the SCOTUS will reverse him almost immediately. See Truman and the steel industry/unions/SCOTUS.

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Big difference between Trump and Truman/steel mills is that Truman did not have National Emergencies Act; he claimed that executive emergency power to take over those steel mills. Congress actually gave executive branch that authority to declare national emergencies in 1976; Trump actually has and has utilized that power. That's a big difference.

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As I've said many times, Congress needs to take back its powers from the executive.

quash said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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Exactly. Immigration is driven by opportunity. Straight up capitalism. Trump, and his supporters here, want the state to interfere (trade barriers/wats, labor barriers) with market forces. Command economies suck.

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An isolationist economy cannot successfully compete in a growing global economy.

TexasScientist said:

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quash said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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Exactly. Immigration is driven by opportunity. Straight up capitalism. Trump, and his supporters here, want the state to interfere (trade barriers/wats, labor barriers) with market forces. Command economies suck.

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An isolationist economy cannot successfully compete in a growing global economy.

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True, but that statement is a non seqitur in the context of this debate. The US is not seeking to be isolationist but somewhat protectionist.

Not the same thing.

https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/After-cold-busy-month-at-border-illegal-13661974.php

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After cold, busy month at border, illegal crossings expected to surge again

Nick Miroff, The Washington Post Published 2:39 pm CST, Monday, March 4, 2019

EL PASO, Texas - In a dusty lot along the U.S.-Mexico border fence, a single Border Patrol agent was stuck with few options and falling temperatures.

A group of 64 parents and children had waded through a shallow bend in the Rio Grande to turn themselves in to the agent on the U.S. side. He radioed for a van driver, but there were none available. By 2 a.m., the temperature was 44 degrees.

The agent handed out plastic space blankets. The group would have to wait.

Mothers and fathers swaddled their families in the silvery, crinkling sheets and clustered with them on the ground, shushing the children. They shivered in the cold wind, and the sound of crying carried on, like a broken alarm.

Groups like this arrived again and again in February, one of the coldest and busiest months along the southern border in years. U.S. authorities detained more than 70,000 migrants last month, according to preliminary figures, up from 58,000 in January. The majority were Central American parents with children who arrived, again, in unprecedented numbers.

During a month when the border debate was dominated by the fight over President Donald Trump's push for a wall, unauthorized migration in fiscal 2019 is on pace to reach its highest level in a decade. Department of Homeland Security officials say they expect the influx to swell in March and April, months that historically see large increases in illegal crossings as U.S. seasonal labor demand rises.

The number of migrants taken into custody last year jumped 39 percent from February to March, and a similar increase this month would push levels to 100,000 detentions or more.

It was a surge in the border numbers in March 2018 that infuriated Trump and launched his administration's attempt to deter families by separating children from their parents. Trump stopped the separations six weeks later to quell public outrage. But the controversy the policy generated - and its widely publicized reversal - is now viewed by U.S. agents as the moment that opened the floodgates of family migration even wider, worsening the problem it was meant to fix.

While arrests along the border fell in recent years to their lowest levels in half a century, they are now returning to levels not seen since the George W. Bush administration, driven by the record surge in the arrival of Central American families.

For U.S. border agents, the strain has grown more acute, as they struggle to care for children using an enforcement infrastructure made in an era when the vast majority of migrants were Mexican adults who could be quickly booked and deported. The Central American families - called "give-ups" because they surrender instead of trying to sneak in - have left frustrated U.S. agents viewing their own role as little more than the facilitators for the last stage of the migrants' journey. They are rescuing families with small children from river currents, irrigation canals, medical emergencies and freezing winter temperatures.

"We're so cold," said Marlen Moya, who had left Guatemala with her sons six weeks earlier and crossed the Rio Grande with the group of 64.

Moya's son Gael, 6, was sick with a fever and moaning, his face streaked with tears. "In Juarez, we were shoved and yelled at," she said, looking back across the river to Ciudad Juarez, Mexico. "We slept on the street."

Asked why she didn't cross during the day, when temperatures were mild, Moya said she worried that Mexican police would stop them. "We've already come this far," she said.

Much of the attention last fall was focused on caravan groups, mostly from Honduras, as they reached Tijuana, Mexico, not far from San Diego. Then concern shifted to Arizona and New Mexico, where groups of rural Guatemalan families began showing up at remote border outposts. Two Guatemalan children died in December after being taken into U.S. custody, as Homeland Security officials declared a humanitarian and national security crisis.

The border deal Trump and Democrats reached last month includes $415 million to improve detention conditions for migrant families, including funds to potentially open a new processing center in El Paso. But in the meantime, families continue to arrive in groups large and small, in faraway rural areas and right in downtown El Paso.

"The numbers are staggering, and we're incredibly worried that we will see another huge increase in March," said a Homeland Security official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the unpublished figures.

The group by the river had landed on the no man's land between the Rio Grande and the tall, steel American fencing. They were on U.S. soil, a place that already has a border wall.

The lone U.S. agent with the group was the only one available along that span. Drug smugglers have been using the groups as a diversion, so the agent couldn't leave the riverbank.

No vans or buses arrived to pick up the families. Other agents were busy at the nearby processing center because so many groups had arrived in El Paso that night, and still others were at the hospital, where they were helping parents and children receive treatment for severe flu symptoms.

Homeland Security officials have been urging lawmakers to grant them broader powers to detain and quickly deport families in a search for deterrent measures. Their attempts to crack down using executive actions have been blocked repeatedly in federal court.

The Trump administration has begun sending some asylum-seeking Central Americans back to Mexico to wait while their claims are processed, but so far that experiment has been limited to California's San Ysidro port of entry.

About 150 migrants were sent back across the border in February, according to Mexican authorities, but that is a small fraction of the more than 2,000 unauthorized migrants coming into U.S. custody on an average day.

Homeland Security officials said Friday that the pilot program, which they call Migrant Protection Protocols, will expand to El Paso and potentially other locations in coming weeks, predicting that the number of Central Americans sent back would grow "exponentially." Some of the cities where they will wait are among the most dangerous in Mexico.

Mexican officials are cooperating by providing general assistance and job placement for those sent back to wait, but privately they have warned the Americans that their capacity to take parents with children is extremely limited, especially families that need welfare assistance and enrollment in already-crowded public schools.

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U.S. court restrictions on the government's ability to keep children in immigration jails - and the sheer volume of people arriving - have left Homeland Security agencies defaulting increasingly to the overflow model Trump deplores as "catch-and-release."

Volunteer workers from religious charities were visible at the El Paso airport last month, guiding newly arrived Central American families through the terminal, directing them like a tour group.

The adults wore GPS monitors on their ankles and carried manila envelopes with instructions telling them when to appear in court for their asylum claims. Some were traveling in premium seats, the only last-minute tickets available when their families arranged the flights.

It was the first time many of the migrants had been on an airplane. For Dionel Martinez, it was the second.

The 48-year-old Guatemalan came to the United States three decades earlier, working as a landscaper until he was deported - his only other time on a plane.

"We're going to Pennsylvania," he said. A friend had arranged a job at a pizzeria there.

With the savings from his first stint in the United States as a young man, Martinez was able to buy some land in his home country and start a family. But a drought this year had left them hungry.

"There was no harvest," he said. "Not one grain of corn."

His son Darwin, 13, came with him to the United States this time. The boy fainted during the journey, his father said, when they had to stand for hours in the back of a cattle truck.

Martinez said he paid 30,000 Guatemalan quetzals, about $2,500, to a "coyote" smuggling guide. It was a cheap rate, but it meant that he and his son traveled through Mexico in trucks, like cargo.

Across rural Guatemala, Martinez said, word has spread that those who travel with a child can expect to be released from U.S. custody. Smugglers were offering two-for-one pricing, knowing they just needed to deliver clients to the border - not across it - for an easy surrender to U.S. agents.

"If this continues, I don't think there will be anyone left in Guatemala," Martinez joked. The men from his village near the town of Chiquimula were all leaving, he said, bringing a child with them.

Martinez said he used the family home as collateral. He had four months to pay off the $2,500. "I need a way to feed my family, and this is it," he said.

Not all Central American families are economic migrants. Others, especially from Honduras, arrive with stories of gang threats and violent attacks. After crossing the border, a U.S. asylum officer performs a preliminary screening to determine whether their fears of persecution are credible enough to deserve a hearing with an immigration judge.

The problem, Homeland Security officials say, is that a growing portion of those who pass the initial screening never appear in court. They know asylum standards are tightening. Or, like Martinez, they have a prior deportation from the United States that all but disqualifies them from getting asylum.

Once released into the U.S. interior, some shed their monitoring bracelets and slip into the shadows to remain in the United States, a country where wages are 10 times higher than in Central America.

The saturation at the border means that it matters little whether a parent's story of persecution is sufficiently credible; the United States has just three detention facilities appropriate for families, with about 3,000 beds, and those are full. The pipeline backs up into Border Patrol stations that were never designed for long-term detention, let alone children, many of whom arrive sick after days in cramped quarters.

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The tiny, remote Antelope Wells, New Mexico, border crossing, where 8-year-old Jakelin Caal arrived in December before falling fatally ill, is now staffed with a team of medically trained Border Patrol agents. But that crossing has gone quiet in recent weeks, as more large groups turn up on El Paso's riverbanks.

For families too poor to hire a smuggler, it was the only place to cross, converging with others who sought safety in numbers. Carlos Guevara, 35, said he and his son had wandered the streets of Juarez with nowhere to sleep, then spotted the crowd heading for the river.

"I want to give my son a better life," he said. Guevara said he earned about $6 a day for farm labor in Honduras, and left a month earlier with, Carlitos, 7, en route to Michigan. "I can't stand being poor anymore."

Swathed in plastic, his son approached the headlights of an agent's Border Patrol truck, its idling engine offering some warmth. Other children in the group were still crying and calling out.

Ramiro Cordero, a Border Patrol official assigned to accompany reporters, called on the radio, and said he would go back to the nearest station and get a van himself.

"This is what's happening on a daily basis," Cordero said. "You've got to understand that we have to take care of everyone that comes across. And this requires transportation and a lot of logistical support."

"Hopefully the vans can get here to transport them to one of the processing facilities," he said. "But for right now, this is where we stay."

He lined up the parents and children to issue bracelets to each one with a number corresponding to their arrival group. "They will be provided with basic needs, whether it's water, juices, warm meals," Cordero said. They would also get a medical screening.

Two blue-uniformed customs officers, summoned to help the Border Patrol agents, arrived with a van after 3 a.m.

The agents loaded the families into the vehicle, needing three trips to transport the entire group. The crying had stopped. On the radio, a dispatcher said there were already 607 migrants in custody at the processing center where they were headed, more than twice its capacity.

As a large group of Central American migrants crosse.......
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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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My friend....if the border was declared to be open ( as I have no doubt it will be within your lifetime ) what do you believe will happen ?

Honestly believe the overpopulated, poverty stricken masses in central and South America will remain in their hopeless situation ?

Or will 'cottage industries ' expand......transporting these millions to the US ?

quash said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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Exactly. Immigration is driven by opportunity. Straight up capitalism. Trump, and his supporters here, want the state to interfere (trade barriers/wars, labor barriers) with market forces. Command economies suck.

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Flooding your first world economy with third world labor is the exact opposite of 'straight up capitalism'

ValhallaBear said:

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quash said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

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chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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Exactly. Immigration is driven by opportunity. Straight up capitalism. Trump, and his supporters here, want the state to interfere (trade barriers/wars, labor barriers) with market forces. Command economies suck.

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Flooding your first world economy with third world labor is the exact opposite of 'straight up capitalism'

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The market knows how to handle a flood. But if you have a good five year plan, comrade, let's hear it.

ValhallaBear said:

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quash said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

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chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

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With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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Exactly. Immigration is driven by opportunity. Straight up capitalism. Trump, and his supporters here, want the state to interfere (trade barriers/wars, labor barriers) with market forces. Command economies suck.

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Flooding your first world economy with third world labor is the exact opposite of 'straight up capitalism'

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Lol, no. That's straight-up capitalism. It's literally capitalism. Supply and demand. Market forces at work.

Keeping cheap labor OUT of the market is protectionism.

YoakDaddy said:

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No need to argue both sides of the equation. If, and it's a large if, Trump does activate the National Security button the SCOTUS will reverse him almost immediately. See Truman and the steel industry/unions/SCOTUS.

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Big difference between Trump and Truman/steel mills is that Truman did not have National Emergencies Act; he claimed that executive emergency power to take over those steel mills. Congress actually gave executive branch that authority to declare national emergencies in 1976; Trump actually has and has utilized that power. That's a big difference.

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I did not know that, obviously. I still think the Supreme Court would intervene and we already have lawsuits of every type being filed against Trump by the bluest states. It seems they want to outdo the other BLUE.

BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

From WSJ

Record Immigration Surge at the Border
Number has been steadily rising since fiscal 2015, when fewer than 40,000 such migrants were arrested

Arrests of families crossing into the U.S. illegally in the past five months hit a record, prompting the chief of Customs and Border Protection to say the system is at "the breaking point."
From October through February, border agents arrested 136,150 people traveling in families for crossing the border illegally. The prior record for a 12-month period was 107,212, during the fiscal year that ended in September.

More than 66,400 people were arrested in February, making it the busiest month since President Trump took office and the busiest February since 2008.
The numbers were the sharpest evidence yet that, despite Mr. Trump's efforts to crack down on illegal immigration, the flow of migrants is only growing.
"This situation is not sustainable," Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan said while releasing the numbers Tuesday. "The system is well beyond capacity and remains at the breaking point."
On Tuesday afternoon, the White House highlighted the new numbers, saying they "reflect an ever-worsening crisis on our southern border."
Mr. McAleenan said his agency was taking steps to establish a center near El Paso, Texas, specifically to process families and children, and in particular, to conduct medical assessments.
The volume of families, most of whom voluntarily turn themselves in to law enforcement to seek asylum, has in recent months overwhelmed government facilities intended to hold single adults for a few hours at a time. Some families spend days in cinder-block cells with no beds or showers while waiting to be processed by immigration officials. Two children died last year in the government's custody after crossing the border with a parent.
While families, along with a relatively small number of unaccompanied children, now make up 60% of arrests at the border, total numbers are rising as well. The Border Patrol made 267,900 arrests between October, the start of the federal fiscal year, and February, compared with 136,209 over the same period a year earlier.
Most of the migrant families come from Central American nations including El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, where they are fleeing violence, poverty and hunger, according to migrants, advocates and law enforcement. They typically don't try to evade capture after crossing the border and instead surrender to border agents to seek asylum.
Arriving in the U.S. illegally as part of a family provides advantages, as those with children in tow are typically detained for shorter periods than adults traveling alone. There is a 20-day limit on jailing children, after which they are released into the U.S. with their parents while their claims are adjudicated. Single adults are typically deported back to their home countries more quickly.

So. Once again, outside of the stupid policy, where is it that we "can't handle them?"

Osodecentx said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

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Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

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chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

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From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

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Now wait ......some posters say the numbers of illegals is trending down. Way down .

Which is it ?

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

---

From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

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Now wait ......some posters say the numbers of illegals is trending down. Way down .

Which is it ?

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Do you believe WSJ and NYTimes or posters quoting themselves?

Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

---

From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

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Now wait ......some posters say the numbers of illegals is trending down. Way down .

Which is it ?

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Historic numbers are WAY down. Last month, they blipped up.

Both are possible if you're not being purposefully obtuse.

BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

---

From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

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Now wait ......some posters say the numbers of illegals is trending down. Way down .

Which is it ?

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Historic numbers are WAY down. Last month, they blipped up.

Both are possible if you're not being purposefully obtuse.

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Link?

Mine is NYTimes
Illegal Border Crossings Have Spiked in Recent Months

Over the past two decades, there were large declines in apprehensions along the southwestern border with Mexico. Despite the overall trend, illegal border crossings have surged in the current fiscal year, which began in October.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

---

From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

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Now wait ......some posters say the numbers of illegals is trending down. Way down .

Which is it ?

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Historic numbers are WAY down. Last month, they blipped up.

Both are possible if you're not being purposefully obtuse.

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OK....not trying to be obtuse.....

But the article sure makes it sound like the detention facilities are at capacity with more people coming in every day.

Wouldn't you agree the situation is at least.....very serious ?

Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Canada2017 said:

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BrooksBearLives said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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You *******s on here feel good about making my generation pay for 2000+ new illegal immigrants coming through this country every ****ing day?

**** you guys. I'm going to have to live through a major depression at some point in my life while y'all will be dead having never experienced the hardships I will absolutely go through.

---

Um... guys. He's cursing.

Old bear and DC are going to be like, SO MAD, dude.

---

chuckle

OK rep point coming your way for the humor..

But Doc is most likely correct. Only a fool would believe the United States could employ, educate and provide the social services required ......

for the 10's of millions of impoverished central and South Americans who would most certainly immigrate here if allowed to do so .

---

With respect, the number coming has been dropping to the current point being the lowest in decades. We actually have a SHORTAGE of workers willing to do the jobs they do that fulfill REAL need for our economy.

This idea that "we can't handle them" is without basis in fact.

---

From NYTimes

Border at 'Breaking Point' as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month


The number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has once again broken records, with unauthorized entries nearly doubling what they were a year ago, suggesting that the Trump administration's aggressive policies have not discouraged new migration to the United States.
More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, an 11-year highand a strong sign that stepped-up prosecutions, new controls on asylum and harsher detention policies have not reversed what remains a powerful lure for thousands of families fleeing violence and poverty.
"The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point," Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data on Tuesday.
The nation's top border enforcement officer painted a picture of processing centers filled to capacity, border agents struggling to meet medical needs and thousands of exhausted members of migrant families crammed into a detention system that was not built to house them all while newcomers continue to arrive, sometimes by the busload, at the rate of 2,200 a day.

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Now wait ......some posters say the numbers of illegals is trending down. Way down .

Which is it ?

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Historic numbers are WAY down. Last month, they blipped up.

Both are possible if you're not being purposefully obtuse.

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OK....not trying to be obtuse.....

But the article sure makes it sound like the detention facilities are at capacity with more people coming in every day.

Wouldn't you agree the situation is at least.....very serious ?

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This is a created problem.

If we started arresting every single person who sped on I-35, the jails would be overrun pretty quickly.

Oh. And look at all this progress in North Korea!

They're building more missile testing facilities.

Trump was played like a fiddle.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/world/asia/north-korea-rebuild-missile-tests.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur