Build the wall!

I agree with you Doc!

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While I understand your answer and want to support it, I just can't and don't want to legalize drugs.

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What we are doing now is not effective and is a waste of resources, and incarcerates many who otherwise are not criminals. I know you wouldn't be in favor of implementing what is necessary to shut down drug trafficking - so why continue what we are doing? Prohibition didn't work, and this isn't either.

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Drove along the 62 mile El Paso border wall for about half an hour yesterday.

Actually there are 3 barriers . Shorter ( older ) fences topped with razor wire in front and behind the newer - larger steel barrier. Large deep ditch running between the newer steel barrier and last old fence.

Border Patrol vehicles parked alongside the wall about every 2-4 miles mixed in with the occasional El Paso Police car .

Anyone on this message board who thinks walls 'don't work' or would be 'easy to climb over' should see this .

No way in Gods green earth is anyone getting into the US through the barriers I saw.

Hell if someone did somehow manage to overcome all those obstacles they should be fast tracked immediately into US Army Special Forces .

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Yeah sounds like a prison fence with razor wire on each side of steel barrier and a ditch added

I've always thought enough razor wire before and on top of a >10' fence guarded like you say would work. Sounds EP has 3-4 times that much. If it keeps convicts from escaping from prison then ........ common sense

Can ya send us pictures of this?

Thanks for update

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and feel free to ask my family in Harlingen if it is not a drug issue...

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Your family is a tiny, tiny, tiny, sample.

The Drug War is a failure. Tying it to the border wall doesn't change that. We incarcerate an insane amount of people.

Drug traffic has decreased, not because of walls but because of two main things: a legal drug market in most states, and the application of technology at the border. See the big bust just this week.

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We've never been willing, as a free republic, to implement and take the drastic action necessary to stop the inflow of drugs into the country. In the face of that unwillingness, the only resonable option is to legalize, regulate and tax the use of drugs. That will take the profit away from the criminal element, and give us the ability to better manage drug use, and eliminate the cost of unecessary incarceration.

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The problem is whether you draw a line on certain drugs, and if so, where and who does it?

When I was young, the argument against marijuana was that it is a 'gateway' drug, leading users to deadlier drugs like cocaine and heroin. Now people generally believe weed is harmless, maybe beneficial for some, and while drugs like cocaine and heroin are understood to be dangerous, addicts are considered in much the same way as alcoholics. Some of that is a good thing, but I believe the traffic of recreational drugs is bad for society in general and very dangerous for the users.

Certain drugs are far too dangerous to be used without direct medical prescription and supervision, let alone recreationally. PCP and Meth are two very obvious examples.

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Young Justin is gonna be sad!

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The good news is it looks like it may be a very long time before there is a Democrat in the White House.

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How have you reached this conclusion ?

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I have a bad feeling that will happen regardless of what Trump does. The democrats have no problem setting new and dangerous precedents.

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So you're not a gun guy?

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I do not own a gun.

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Me neither but they are fun at the range or hunting.

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Pellet guns don't count, Waco, but thanks for playing.

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You idiot.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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Waco1947 said:

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So you're not a gun guy?

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I do not own a gun.

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Me neither but they are fun at the range or hunting.

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Pellet guns don't count, Waco, but thanks for playing.

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You idiot.

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Stay classy, Waco.

Oh that's right, that would violate your fake religion, which demands lying and hysteria on a constant basis.

Wow oldbear83! Aren't you a little rough on Waco47

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Wow oldbear83! Aren't you a little rough on Waco47

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Sadly, no. His advocacy for abortion on demand, no matter what, is unconscionable.

There is a case to be made for some abortions as unavoidable. BBL does a good job of making that case.

Waco has no regard - whatsoever - for the children killed in abortions.

I will not call evil 'good', simply to placate a political abomination.

I understand.

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I understand.

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Understand that Waco had never advocated for the things Oldbear accuses him of. You can choose to believe Oldbear, without proof, or you could pay more attention to what Waco actually says.

I will do that.

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I understand.

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Understand that Waco had never advocated for the things Oldbear accuses him of. You can choose to believe Oldbear, without proof, or you could pay more attention to what Waco actually says.

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And you might want to pay attention to what makes Waco mad, and what he refuses to answer.

Quash is biased on this point.

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Waco1947 said:

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So you're not a gun guy?

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I do not own a gun.

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Me neither but they are fun at the range or hunting.

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Pellet guns don't count, Waco, but thanks for playing.

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You idiot.

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Stay classy, Waco.

Oh that's right, that would violate your fake religion, which demands lying and hysteria on a constant basis.

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Classy? You first. The accusation Fake religion = idiot. So be classy otherwise you're an idiot.

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So you're not a gun guy?

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Me neither but they are fun at the range or hunting.

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Pellet guns don't count, Waco, but thanks for playing.

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You idiot.

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Stay classy, Waco.

Oh that's right, that would violate your fake religion, which demands lying and hysteria on a constant basis.

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Classy? You first. The accusation Fake religion = idiot. So be classy otherwise you're an idiot.

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Stop advocating to kill babies.

You make Jesus weep.

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I understand.

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Understand that Waco had never advocated for the things Oldbear accuses him of. You can choose to believe Oldbear, without proof, or you could pay more attention to what Waco actually says.

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Yes he has.

Although this is honorable, dear Nancy was protected during this little ceremony. She's not there at night with our boarder control agents. By the way, I don't like Nancy. Let's put her in the trenches so she sees the real thing! Then get the hell out of my Texas!

What in the name of all ****s given/not given in the history of this 3rd planet we live on is a hug ceremony???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Russia/China should invade right now. They could meet in Denver and celebrate the victory after about a week or so

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bought and paid for. the question is - by whom?

- BUmma

oh, and Laredo's big city festival is the George Washington's Birthday. Hence the Hispanic dressed as the aforementioned GW.

- KKM

The big event is the Jalapeno eating contest.

http://www.wbcalaredo.org/event/wbca-jalapeno-festival-sponsored-by-la-costena/

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quash said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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Depends on the drug and it must be done federally. For example....Nevada has made marijuana legal for medicinal and recreational use, but because it is still listed as a Schedule 1 drug, any monies received from its sale cannot be placed in a federally insured bank (the business just can't open up an account at Wells Fargo) so you're left with weed businesses using on-site safes or falsifying business activities to get an account. Nevada, due to the gambling, also has distance requirements for weed prohibition (last summer when I was at Encore, they routinely walked the drug dogs around to insure there was no weed in the casino). Then there's the work place/occupation rules, driving codes, etc. Basically a new regulatory scheme must be developed and executed.

It gets taxed and does cut into cartel business. It also grows, pun intended, new small businesses which also increases state tax revenue.

An nobody has ever died from a weed overdose...other drugs not so much.

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quash said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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drugs are already basically legal - certainly widely available. hasn't reduced the problem. hasn't stopped people from OD'ing. millions dead.

so increasing the supply likely isn't a viable option.

and the tax revenue hasn't been anywhere close to what was anticipated. taxes are so high - the illegal market drugs are cheaper - so it stays in place. and these growing fields become toxic wastelands - doing serious damage to the environment.

so that argument doesn't work either.

and then there's the fentanyl problem. I dont think anyone advocates for legalizing fentanyl??

our friends in China are happy to supply endless amounts.

- KKM

https://www.dea.gov/factsheets/fentanyl

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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drugs are already basically legal - certainly widely available. hasn't reduced the problem. hasn't stopped people from OD'ing. millions dead.

so increasing the supply likely isn't a viable option.

and the tax revenue hasn't been anywhere close to what was anticipated. taxes are so high - the illegal market drugs are cheaper - so it stays in place. and these growing fields become toxic wastelands - doing serious damage to the environment.

so that argument doesn't work either.

and then there's the fentanyl problem. I dont think anyone advocates for legalizing fentanyl??

our friends in China are happy to supply endless amounts.

- KKM

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But what about private contracts and free market capitalism and the gold standard and rule of law?????

ValhallaBear said:

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william said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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drugs are already basically legal - certainly widely available. hasn't reduced the problem. hasn't stopped people from OD'ing. millions dead.

so increasing the supply likely isn't a viable option.

and the tax revenue hasn't been anywhere close to what was anticipated. taxes are so high - the illegal market drugs are cheaper - so it stays in place. and these growing fields become toxic wastelands - doing serious damage to the environment.

so that argument doesn't work either.

and then there's the fentanyl problem. I dont think anyone advocates for legalizing fentanyl??

our friends in China are happy to supply endless amounts.

- KKM

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But what about private contracts and free market capitalism and the gold standard and rule of law?????

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not wise to hand a 2 year old a loaded gun. and drug addled people are about as clueless and reckless as a two year old.

common sense dictates certain things should be illegal.

now - fair trade in thin sliced roast beef - topped w melted cheddar cheese or not - your choice - is OK. and your personal choice as to style and presentation of your french fried potato - or no potato at all. again, your personal choice.

- BUmma (a Neo-Arby'sist)

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Wichitabear said:

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I understand.

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Understand that Waco had never advocated for the things Oldbear accuses him of. You can choose to believe Oldbear, without proof, or you could pay more attention to what Waco actually says.

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Thank you.

Note that Waco still refuses to admit babies have a right to live.

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ValhallaBear said:

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william said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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drugs are already basically legal - certainly widely available. hasn't reduced the problem. hasn't stopped people from OD'ing. millions dead.

so increasing the supply likely isn't a viable option.

and the tax revenue hasn't been anywhere close to what was anticipated. taxes are so high - the illegal market drugs are cheaper - so it stays in place. and these growing fields become toxic wastelands - doing serious damage to the environment.

so that argument doesn't work either.

and then there's the fentanyl problem. I dont think anyone advocates for legalizing fentanyl??

our friends in China are happy to supply endless amounts.

- KKM

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But what about private contracts and free market capitalism and the gold standard and rule of law?????

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not wise to hand a 2 year old a loaded gun. and drug addled people are about as clueless and reckless as a two year old.

common sense dictates certain things should be illegal.

now - fair trade in thin sliced roast beef - topped w melted cheddar cheese or not - your choice - is OK. and your personal choice as to style and presentation of your french fried potato - or no potato at all. again, your personal choice.

- BUmma (a Neo-Arby'sist)

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If you're right, then we should go back to prohibition.

ValhallaBear said:

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william said:

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Waco1947 said:

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quash said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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For years now, both houses of Congress have been more than willing to cede powers to the executive branch because of political expediency.

Congress is weak and getting weaker. It's easier to get re-elected when you haven't taken a firm stand.

This has occurred on both sides of the aisle.

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Been saying this for years. The increase in executive power does not come from the Constitution, it comes from Congress.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156225605344077&id=26668999076

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So if drugs are decriminalized what happens? Drug prices drop? Cartels go out of business? People shop locally? Police turn a blind eye? We tax it? People die?

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drugs are already basically legal - certainly widely available. hasn't reduced the problem. hasn't stopped people from OD'ing. millions dead.

so increasing the supply likely isn't a viable option.

and the tax revenue hasn't been anywhere close to what was anticipated. taxes are so high - the illegal market drugs are cheaper - so it stays in place. and these growing fields become toxic wastelands - doing serious damage to the environment.

so that argument doesn't work either.

and then there's the fentanyl problem. I dont think anyone advocates for legalizing fentanyl??

our friends in China are happy to supply endless amounts.

- KKM

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But what about private contracts and free market capitalism and the rule of law?????

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What have you got against freedom?