Compliant and possibly subornable judges are where you find them.OsoCoreyell said:
A few observations:
1) What Evidence? - Raiding the home of a former President and potential future candidate is a historic event; There had better be rock-solid probable cause, or this really is an incredibly destabilizing move.
2) Merrick Garland - There is absolutely no way in the world that this happened without Merrick Garland's approval and consent. None. Whether or not it was justified I will leave until I see the evidence that supported the warrant. For the sake of this country, it had better be absolutely, unequivocally solid.
3) Trump - Before I know what was looked for and the basis for probably cause, it is hard to know Trump's culpability. And while I can certainly argue that there is a ridiculous double-standard when it comes to Republicans being investigated, in isolation, I cannot say that this wasn't justified without seeing the evidence. Trump is certainly capably of breaking the law if he thinks it is in his interest. But whether he actually did or not, I do not yet know and, outside of the DOJ and Trump, no one does.
4) A Magistrate Judge? - Not atypical for a Magistrate judge to sign a search warrant, but this is not a typical situation. I'm very surprised they went with a Magistrate judge, who is NOT an Article III judge (i.e. not appointed for life but rather appointed by a majority vote of the district judges). I would have thought that they would certainly go for an Article III full federal judge on this.
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This is a distraction from the deep state DOJ to distract us from all of Biden's recent wins:
First major prescription drug legislation in 20 years
Massive investments in chip manufacturing
Trillions in infrastructure
Killed the world's most wanted terrorist
Expanding NATO
We must put an end to the weaponizing of DOJ for political gain.
First major prescription drug legislation in 20 years
Massive investments in chip manufacturing
Trillions in infrastructure
Killed the world's most wanted terrorist
Expanding NATO
We must put an end to the weaponizing of DOJ for political gain.
Saw a former acting Dir of FBI say this morning that if all this is was the records act issue then a simple subpoena should have been done first.
Even CNN’s legal analyst disagrees with the DOJ decision here. Good for him for speaking the truth. pic.twitter.com/TUElZkmOo0
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 9, 2022
Objection, your Honor. Calls for hypothesizing.Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?
The "KGB" showed amazing restraint if the only thing they searched was the safe.4th and Inches said:what was in the safe?Sam Lowry said:What makes you think a president can take away unclassified documents?4th and Inches said:
Remember the president has the ability to declassify materials before leaving the White House. So this is even more dicey for the FBI and DOJ than usual, requiring real specifics. This is a narrow path of appropriate surrounded by a very slippery slope banana republic..
And this reminds me that when a person or group knows they cannot win on the merits, anything is justified in eliminating political opposition.
Like Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua, who, to guarantee his reelection simply incarcerated on bogus charges each and every one of those who were running against him in the most election cycle.
What country did you say we're living in?
Like Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua, who, to guarantee his reelection simply incarcerated on bogus charges each and every one of those who were running against him in the most election cycle.
What country did you say we're living in?
I think it is time to redefine and rename "safe" something else altogether.Sam Lowry said:The "KGB" showed amazing restraint if the only thing they searched was the safe.4th and Inches said:what was in the safe?Sam Lowry said:What makes you think a president can take away unclassified documents?4th and Inches said:
Remember the president has the ability to declassify materials before leaving the White House. So this is even more dicey for the FBI and DOJ than usual, requiring real specifics. This is a narrow path of appropriate surrounded by a very slippery slope banana republic..
Everyone seems to be hypothesizing that Trump is innocent. It's fair to ask what if he isn't.canoso said:Objection, your Honor. Calls for hypothesizing.Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?
They negotiated for months to get the first batch. But you're right, especially in conjunction with the Cipollone subpoena, this isn't all about the records issue.riflebear said:
Saw a former acting Dir of FBI say this morning that if all this is was the records act issue then a simple subpoena should have been done first.Even CNN’s legal analyst disagrees with the DOJ decision here. Good for him for speaking the truth. pic.twitter.com/TUElZkmOo0
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 9, 2022
That isn't the direction the question wants us to go. Next?Sam Lowry said:Everyone seems to be hypothesizing that Trump is innocent. It's fair to ask what if he isn't.canoso said:Objection, your Honor. Calls for hypothesizing.Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?
Are there any circumstances where a former president should be subject to a search warrant, or is he simply above the law?canoso said:That isn't the direction the question wants us to go. Next?Sam Lowry said:Everyone seems to be hypothesizing that Trump is innocent. It's fair to ask what if he isn't.canoso said:Objection, your Honor. Calls for hypothesizing.Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?
you and canada called them that, not me..Sam Lowry said:The "KGB" showed amazing restraint if the only thing they searched was the safe.4th and Inches said:what was in the safe?Sam Lowry said:What makes you think a president can take away unclassified documents?4th and Inches said:
Remember the president has the ability to declassify materials before leaving the White House. So this is even more dicey for the FBI and DOJ than usual, requiring real specifics. This is a narrow path of appropriate surrounded by a very slippery slope banana republic..
4th and Inches said:what was in the safe?Sam Lowry said:What makes you think a president can take away unclassified documents?4th and Inches said:
Remember the president has the ability to declassify materials before leaving the White House. So this is even more dicey for the FBI and DOJ than usual, requiring real specifics. This is a narrow path of appropriate surrounded by a very slippery slope banana republic..
Geraldo didn't find anything
So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
Trump boosts ratings on all networks. Trump also doesnt care about what Democrats think or try to do to him. I suspect the Dems will be confused with so much hatred some scapegoat will try and kill him. Dems are desperate for power
At least three reasons. First, no one has referred other presidents to the FBI or established probable cause on a public records issue. Second, if other presidents did keep records they shouldn't have, it was probably unintentional. There's evidence of extraordinarily poor record-keeping and routine destruction of documents in the Trump administration, which makes the case more compelling. Third and most important, they're looking for evidence tying him to the Capitol riot.Forest Bueller_bf said:So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
seems like the Dems have found nothing on Trump for 5 -6 years despite claiming they did. whats to keep these idiots from planting false classified documents and proving it with a crooked judge? merrick garland is about as deep state as they come
A simple yes would have done.Sam Lowry said:At least three reasons. First, no one has referred other presidents to the FBI or established probable cause on a public records issue. Second, if other presidents did keep records they shouldn't have, it was probably unintentional. There's evidence of extraordinarily poor record-keeping and routine destruction of documents in the Trump administration, which makes the case more compelling. Third and most important, they're looking for evidence tying him to the Capitol riot.Forest Bueller_bf said:So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
No way this raid was necessary, they could come up with a "reason" for any president, this is just a fishing expedition. The Justice department has crossed a line that should never have been crossed. Of course they can come up with a "reason".
You asked why they don't do it to every president. The simple answer is that they don't have a reason and they generally don't just make one up.Forest Bueller_bf said:A simple yes would have done.Sam Lowry said:At least three reasons. First, no one has referred other presidents to the FBI or established probable cause on a public records issue. Second, if other presidents did keep records they shouldn't have, it was probably unintentional. There's evidence of extraordinarily poor record-keeping and routine destruction of documents in the Trump administration, which makes the case more compelling. Third and most important, they're looking for evidence tying him to the Capitol riot.Forest Bueller_bf said:So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
No way this raid was necessary, they could come up with a "reason" for any president, this is just a fishing expedition. The Justice department has crossed a line that should never have been crossed. Of course they can come up with a "reason".
“If they raided his home just to find classified documents he took from The White House,” one legal expert noted, “he will be re-elected president in 2024, hands down. It will prove to be the greatest law enforcement mistake in history.” https://t.co/xMznFPn0UG
— Andrew Yang🧢⬆️🇺🇸 (@AndrewYang) August 9, 2022
Again, I will vote for whoever pisses off liberals the most.
If they make the campaign promise of: all I am going to do is prosecute the criminal left, they'll get my vote.
If they make the campaign promise of: all I am going to do is prosecute the criminal left, they'll get my vote.
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DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.
— Andrew Cuomo (@andrewcuomo) August 9, 2022
Feds are on an all out assault against Trump.
BREAKING: Federal appeals court rules Trump must provide tax returns to Congress
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) August 9, 2022
Me too. Let's see what's thereBooray said:I'll reserve judgment until the facts are known.Canada2017 said:Corrections accepted .......Booray said:9/11Canada2017 said:Good grief.....certainly you can see the difference between the bleating of internet shrills and the ordering of a raid on an ex presidents HOME by his political enemies ?Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:Canada2017 said:You can't possibly support this raid.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thank God R are better than this kind of circus. I have great cinfidence they will rise above petty paybacks and cheerleading sessions of lock them up chants and return the White houe and congress to respectful gov.
The ramifications are deadly to any democracy .
I dont. I didnt support the lock her up chants led by jail time Stone either or the constant fraudulent claims of a stolen election. I really think the R should pick itself up and become the party that stops wrestling in the mud and saves our country.
I dont hold much hope. Party shills will cry for retribution.
This is the worst national event I can remember since the Challenger blew up .
Katrina
The Pandemic
Great Recession
Innumerable mass shootings
9/11, Katrina, The Pandemic , Las Vegas shooting were all worse than the Challenger disaster.
However this use of the KGB to attack the home of a former president is the biggest political threat to our democracy since Watergate .
To which I disagree, they could come up with a "reason" on any past president if they wished to. This is a focused political attack meant to disqualify Trump from ever running again.Sam Lowry said:You asked why they don't do it to every president. The simple answer is that they don't have a reason and they generally don't just make one up.Forest Bueller_bf said:A simple yes would have done.Sam Lowry said:At least three reasons. First, no one has referred other presidents to the FBI or established probable cause on a public records issue. Second, if other presidents did keep records they shouldn't have, it was probably unintentional. There's evidence of extraordinarily poor record-keeping and routine destruction of documents in the Trump administration, which makes the case more compelling. Third and most important, they're looking for evidence tying him to the Capitol riot.Forest Bueller_bf said:So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
No way this raid was necessary, they could come up with a "reason" for any president, this is just a fishing expedition. The Justice department has crossed a line that should never have been crossed. Of course they can come up with a "reason".
They are trying to disqualify him for ever running again. So why in hell did they let Hillary run again since she was certainly guilty of the same, under U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071.Quote:
Such reporting had Marc Elias, the top lawyer for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign who has drawn scrutiny for his role in pushing Trump-Russia collusion claims, pointing to U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071. "The media is missing the really, really big reason why the raid today is a potential blockbuster in American politics," Elias said in a tweet.
18 U.S. Code 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
ScruffyD said:
This is a distraction from the deep state DOJ to distract us from all of Biden's recent wins:
Ate roast beef with gravy without spilling any on his tie
Stayed on script while reading an entire statement on the teleprompter
Climbed the stairs into Air Force One three times without falling
Had a solid bowel movement
We must put an end to the weaponizing of DOJ for political gain.
edited for accuracy
I mean heck, I even said I would be glad for anything that would keep Trump from running again, but this is NOT what I meant when I said anything.
Is that a rhetorical question, or do you want me to answer?Forest Bueller_bf said:To which I disagree, they could come up with a "reason" on any past president if they wished to. This is a focused political attack meant to disqualify Trump from ever running again.Sam Lowry said:You asked why they don't do it to every president. The simple answer is that they don't have a reason and they generally don't just make one up.Forest Bueller_bf said:A simple yes would have done.Sam Lowry said:At least three reasons. First, no one has referred other presidents to the FBI or established probable cause on a public records issue. Second, if other presidents did keep records they shouldn't have, it was probably unintentional. There's evidence of extraordinarily poor record-keeping and routine destruction of documents in the Trump administration, which makes the case more compelling. Third and most important, they're looking for evidence tying him to the Capitol riot.Forest Bueller_bf said:So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
No way this raid was necessary, they could come up with a "reason" for any president, this is just a fishing expedition. The Justice department has crossed a line that should never have been crossed. Of course they can come up with a "reason".They are trying to disqualify him for ever running again. So why in hell did they let Hillary run again since she was certainly guilty of the same, under U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071.Quote:
Such reporting had Marc Elias, the top lawyer for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign who has drawn scrutiny for his role in pushing Trump-Russia collusion claims, pointing to U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071. "The media is missing the really, really big reason why the raid today is a potential blockbuster in American politics," Elias said in a tweet.
18 U.S. Code 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
Note, a legislative investigation of the Executive Branch. That's been called unconstitutional on the boardSam Lowry said:They negotiated for months to get the first batch. But you're right, especially in conjunction with the Cipollone subpoena, this isn't all about the records issue.riflebear said:
Saw a former acting Dir of FBI say this morning that if all this is was the records act issue then a simple subpoena should have been done first.Even CNN’s legal analyst disagrees with the DOJ decision here. Good for him for speaking the truth. pic.twitter.com/TUElZkmOo0
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 9, 2022
News of the court-authorized search prompted recriminations from Trump's fellow Republicans, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who threatened to investigate the Justice Department if the GOP takes control of the chamber next year.
IF they take control. The Dems have done nothing for years for this country. Yet the Republicans cant do anything right to convince people they are the correct choice.
Republicans last month: "The Constitution doesn't give Congress power to investigate! Leave it to the DOJ."Osodecentx said:Note, a legislative investigation of the Executive Branch. That's been called unconstitutional on the boardSam Lowry said:They negotiated for months to get the first batch. But you're right, especially in conjunction with the Cipollone subpoena, this isn't all about the records issue.riflebear said:
Saw a former acting Dir of FBI say this morning that if all this is was the records act issue then a simple subpoena should have been done first.Even CNN’s legal analyst disagrees with the DOJ decision here. Good for him for speaking the truth. pic.twitter.com/TUElZkmOo0
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) August 9, 2022
News of the court-authorized search prompted recriminations from Trump's fellow Republicans, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who threatened to investigate the Justice Department if the GOP takes control of the chamber next year.
Republicans this month: "Investigate the DOJ!"
One fact we do know is The FBI immediately leaked the details of the raid to the NYT.Booray said:I'll reserve judgment until the facts are known.Canada2017 said:Corrections accepted .......Booray said:9/11Canada2017 said:Good grief.....certainly you can see the difference between the bleating of internet shrills and the ordering of a raid on an ex presidents HOME by his political enemies ?Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:Canada2017 said:You can't possibly support this raid.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thank God R are better than this kind of circus. I have great cinfidence they will rise above petty paybacks and cheerleading sessions of lock them up chants and return the White houe and congress to respectful gov.
The ramifications are deadly to any democracy .
I dont. I didnt support the lock her up chants led by jail time Stone either or the constant fraudulent claims of a stolen election. I really think the R should pick itself up and become the party that stops wrestling in the mud and saves our country.
I dont hold much hope. Party shills will cry for retribution.
This is the worst national event I can remember since the Challenger blew up .
Katrina
The Pandemic
Great Recession
Innumerable mass shootings
9/11, Katrina, The Pandemic , Las Vegas shooting were all worse than the Challenger disaster.
However this use of the KGB to attack the home of a former president is the biggest political threat to our democracy since Watergate .
Definitely not political...
So many lies in this statement, it's difficult to know where to start.Doc Holliday said:JUST IN - FBI raids Trump's home Mar-A-Lago in Florida. pic.twitter.com/7dK0bhRtLr
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) August 8, 2022
DJT is above the law, apparently.
How can such a sniveling whiner ever command such worship?
Naw, there was no question, I just posted the main reason I belive this raid was instigated, they are fishing for a reason to disqualify Trump from running for office again.Sam Lowry said:Is that a rhetorical question, or do you want me to answer?Forest Bueller_bf said:To which I disagree, they could come up with a "reason" on any past president if they wished to. This is a focused political attack meant to disqualify Trump from ever running again.Sam Lowry said:You asked why they don't do it to every president. The simple answer is that they don't have a reason and they generally don't just make one up.Forest Bueller_bf said:A simple yes would have done.Sam Lowry said:At least three reasons. First, no one has referred other presidents to the FBI or established probable cause on a public records issue. Second, if other presidents did keep records they shouldn't have, it was probably unintentional. There's evidence of extraordinarily poor record-keeping and routine destruction of documents in the Trump administration, which makes the case more compelling. Third and most important, they're looking for evidence tying him to the Capitol riot.Forest Bueller_bf said:So you are cool with this raid?Sam Lowry said:Trump did destroy some documents as well. The subpoena was directed to NARA. They can't be subpoenaed for documents that they don't possess or control.Forest Bueller_bf said:Sam Lowry said:
What do you all think the Justice Department should do if a former president illegally hoards classified documents?Quote:
The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.
In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump's presidency, according to one of the people.
The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump's term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.
After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing "items marked as classified national security information," the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.
So this article seems to say the 15 boxes had already been returned to the national archives, were there more boxes or something.
If there were more boxes could they not issue an additional subpeona to aquire those boxes, rather than a gestapo style raid, such as they just performed.
From the article above it seems they had complied with returning the 15 boxes. Wheras a Clinton would just destroy the information that was requested. Which they have done in the past.
Seems like a very shady action by the Justice Department.
Why not raid all past still living and current Presidents then, besides Jimmy Carter.
They all are shady at some level, Clintons are at the highest level of crooked.
Yet, no other president has been raided like this.
No way this raid was necessary, they could come up with a "reason" for any president, this is just a fishing expedition. The Justice department has crossed a line that should never have been crossed. Of course they can come up with a "reason".They are trying to disqualify him for ever running again. So why in hell did they let Hillary run again since she was certainly guilty of the same, under U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071.Quote:
Such reporting had Marc Elias, the top lawyer for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign who has drawn scrutiny for his role in pushing Trump-Russia collusion claims, pointing to U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071. "The media is missing the really, really big reason why the raid today is a potential blockbuster in American politics," Elias said in a tweet.
18 U.S. Code 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
If they can prove he broke the code I listed he is disqualified from running again.
I have said many times I wished he would disappear from politics, but this anything goes tactic of raids is not
what I had in mind.
How is this unacceptable?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I am no Donald Trump fan, but maybe it is time to go ahead and have this Second Civil War. This is unacceptable. Enough. The FBI should be disbanded. They are OFFICIALLY an enemy of the people.
Are you saying Trump is above the law?
This was a legally executed search warrant.
And I thought disbanding the police was a Democrat thing.