BUDOS said:

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In your opinion is that an answer or a deflection?

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It was a direct response to your statement.

historian said:

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BUDOS said:

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In your opinion is that an answer or a deflection?

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It was a direct response to your statement.

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How do you know who BUDOS is asking?

I never know what BUDOS is talking about or whom they are responding to.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

Osodecentx said:

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How Else Can Due Process Claims Be Resolved, Other Than by a Judge?

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Invaders being repelled are not entitled to due process. It is absurd to think foreigners invaders have a right to a day in court. It's laughable.

The separation of powers means the US has three separate and co-equal branches of government that work together. None of them has an absolute authority over the others. Judicial review is not mentioned or implied in the constitution (although it is implied in Federalist #78). It didn't even exist until Marbury v Madison which resulted from events after the 1800 election. There is no judicial supremacy and there is no legal or constitutional basis to believe a district judge has the authority to dictate to the president how he can fulfill his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief.

What these judges are doing more closely fits the constitutional definition of treason.

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Does the president, under the Alien Enemy Act of 1798, have the authority to unilaterally order the removal of a class of aliens from the United States, without judicial review, when the nation is not at war and the courts are open and functioning,

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it is not required to be at war.. there is an OR which separates requirements

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Trump will probably win in court, why rush it and defy courts

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Because every single day the criminals remain in the US they cost us taxpayers money. More importantly, they are threat to American citizens and our safety every day they remain. They are rapists, murderers, & terrorists.

Also, these rogue judges are dangerous themselves and need to be stopped as soon as possible.

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ScottS said:

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Articles of impeachment have been filed against the judge

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Need to be filed on CJ Roberts as well. He has no business speaking out against Trump.

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As much as I think his statements are foolish, that is not an impeachable offense.

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Articles of impeachment have been filed against the judge

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Zero chance the judge gets impeached.

Waste of time.

However the vast majority of Americans appreciate Trumps attitude here. They want these criminals out of the country regardless of the games leftists are playing in the courts.

BTW there are many examples throughout US history of presidents acting decisively while ignoring federal court decisions.

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You are probably correct but it's a political maneuver. They don't need to impeach any of these judges if they can convince them they might.

Most important, Trump is winning in the court of public opinion.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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Good thoughts from Chip. He's a buddy from way back. Good guy.

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My congressional representative in action.

Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

Wangchung said:

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All it takes is some radical to realize that every democrat appointed judge can now be assassinated because it's up to Trump to fill the vacancy.

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I hope no one as so stupid to try something that insane. It would only make the fascist judges more sympathetic. We know how the propaganda ministry (aka media) would portray that.

The Pelican Brief becoming reality!

You have to trace the replies back to the source. His question was a direct response to my post. We went through a couple cycles of that.

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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Been saying this for a week.

St. Peter gathered a group of angels together and gave them a special task. They were to find the best psychiatrist on Earth and ask him or her to go to heaven. After a diligent search, they located an amazing doctor in Switzerland. The psychiatrist said he wasn't really ready to leave Earth, but would do so if St. Peter thought he could be of help. "Well," St. Peter said, "we have this terrible problem. God has developed a horrible superiority complex. He's started thinking He's a Federal Judge."

Now, a district court judge ordering the US military to continue enlisting mentally delusional transgender troops is justifying her ruling by quoting the musical Hamilton.

We either have a presidency or we have a rule by 677 gavel-wielding dictators. The Supreme Court must put… pic.twitter.com/M8nJCnkh7T

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) March 19, 2025

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Now, a district court judge ordering the US military to continue enlisting mentally delusional transgender troops is justifying her ruling by quoting the musical Hamilton.

We either have a presidency or we have a rule by 677 gavel-wielding dictators. The Supreme Court must put… pic.twitter.com/M8nJCnkh7T

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) March 19, 2025

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Not a final judgement. she gave the administration until Friday morning to appeal the ruling. Depending on what happens next, the case could eventually head to the Supreme Court.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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I don't think it was cancelled, but for all practical purposes it was a moot proceeding. The court is without effective jurisdiction, and the detainees (even those who are not gang members) are without remedy.

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Been saying this for a week.

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Unlike in that case, this time the president is being enjoined to follow the law, not to ignore it.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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I don't think it was cancelled, but for all practical purposes it was a moot proceeding. The court is without effective jurisdiction, and the detainees (even those who are not gang members) are without remedy.

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all that Judge Boasberg has done is issue a temporary stay of deportation long enough for him to consider the merits.

Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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I don't think it was cancelled, but for all practical purposes it was a moot proceeding. The court is without effective jurisdiction, and the detainees (even those who are not gang members) are without remedy.

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all that Judge Boasberg has done is issue a temporary stay of deportation long enough for him to consider the merits.

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Why do just assume the judge has the power to consider the merits?

Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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I don't think it was cancelled, but for all practical purposes it was a moot proceeding. The court is without effective jurisdiction, and the detainees (even those who are not gang members) are without remedy.

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all that Judge Boasberg has done is issue a temporary stay of deportation long enough for him to consider the merits.

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You and sam are so intentionally obtuse. Everyone can see it is plainly obstruction via judicial overreach. Stop trying to act like its not that. They need to not be taken serious. They need to be called out for what they really are and ignored.

Married A Horn said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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I don't think it was cancelled, but for all practical purposes it was a moot proceeding. The court is without effective jurisdiction, and the detainees (even those who are not gang members) are without remedy.

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all that Judge Boasberg has done is issue a temporary stay of deportation long enough for him to consider the merits.

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You and sam are so intentionally obtuse. Everyone can see it is plainly obstruction via judicial overreach. Stop trying to act like its not that. They need to not be taken serious. They need to be called out for what they really are and ignored.

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Agreed

It's the Dem's latest approach to lawfare.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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How does anyone know these deportees are members of Tren de Aragua?

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/29/us/venezuela-tren-de-aragua-gang/index.html

[What is Tren de Aragua, the Venezuelan gang Trump's targeting with deportations?]

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It's alleged that some of them are members, but we haven't seen evidence. So how do we know?

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Maybe if we had a hearing in a court of law?

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But that could take up to two weeks! It's borderline treason!!!

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two weeks? lol. Months or even years is more like it.. right to a speedy trial my left rear tire

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It was ordered to take place this Monday. Why was Trump in such a hurry to avoid it?

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Avoid what? The gang members are not necessary parties to the hearing. Who called off the hearing?

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I don't think it was cancelled, but for all practical purposes it was a moot proceeding. The court is without effective jurisdiction, and the detainees (even those who are not gang members) are without remedy.

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all that Judge Boasberg has done is issue a temporary stay of deportation long enough for him to consider the merits.

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You and sam are so intentionally obtuse. Everyone can see it is plainly obstruction via judicial overreach. Stop trying to act like its not that. They need to not be taken serious. They need to be called out for what they really are and ignored.

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Was this "plainly obstruction and overreach," too? I don't remember all the outrage.

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The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has affirmed the preliminary injunction against President Barack Obama's executive action that would potentially have shielded approximately 4.4 million undocumented immigrants from deportation and allowed them to immediately apply for work authorization. President Obama announced his immigration plan, which included an expansion of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and created a similar program, Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA), nearly a year ago, but quickly encountered hurdles when his executive action was halted by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas in response to a lawsuit brought by 26 states.

https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/fifth-circuit-upholds-injunction-against-obamas-immigration-actions/

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So Sam thinks single District judges are the same as a Federal Appeals Court