Federal Judge blocks Trump from deporting illegal alien gang members

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Sam Lowry
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Redbrickbear said:


What if this really were about enforcing the law? Everyone would be horrified, that's what.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/04/yes-we-need-deportations-without-due-process/
Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.
Anyone who ever exceeded the speed limit broke the law. Trump is breaking the law every time he denies someone due process.

By your reasoning practically everyone in the country is a sex trafficker.
You said Trump wasn't going after real criminals and I simply stated that all of them are real criminals.

It's impossible to sort through every illegal immigration case and these judges will do everything they can to keep them here, even criminals. You support that and you're not offering up any proposals or solutions, only opposition to those that are ready to end illegal immigration.

You're really not aware of the grift behind illegal immigration through our own government, nor the catastrophic effects it's produced. It's very much the case that if we don't get a handle on it, it will wreak havoc to the point of no recovery.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.
Anyone who ever exceeded the speed limit broke the law. Trump is breaking the law every time he denies someone due process.

By your reasoning practically everyone in the country is a sex trafficker.
You said Trump wasn't going after real criminals and I simply stated that all of them are real criminals.

It's impossible to sort through every illegal immigration case and these judges will do everything they can to keep them here, even criminals. You support that and you're not offering up any proposals or solutions, only opposition to those that are ready to end illegal immigration.

You're really not aware of the grift behind illegal immigration through our own government, nor the catastrophic effects it's produced. It's very much the case that if we don't get a handle on it, it will wreak havoc to the point of no recovery.
He's not going after the monsters and the worst of the worst, like he claims. He's going after the numbers.

Good judges care about the law first and foremost. I posted a thread about two venerable conservative judges who are concerned about Trump's lawlessness on this issue. Zero response. The fact that some Democrats may want more immigrants for political reasons, and some Republicans may fear that, doesn't mean all of these judges are politicized. The record is showing the opposite. Trump is overreaching, and he's getting pushback from judges across the political spectrum.

I'm aware of allegations of grift, including some involving my own church. It can and should be dealt with in a way that doesn't undermine our constitutional rights. The alternative is what would truly be catastrophic.
whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
He was denied entry, and deported. That's the way the system is supposed to work. We should applaud when they system works as intended.
Sam Lowry
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
He was denied entry, and deported. That's the way the system is supposed to work. We should applaud when they system works as intended.
Wrong again.
Redbrickbear
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Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.
Anyone who ever exceeded the speed limit broke the law. Trump is breaking the law every time he denies someone due process.

By your reasoning practically everyone in the country is a sex trafficker.
You said Trump wasn't going after real criminals and I simply stated that all of them are real criminals.

It's impossible to sort through every illegal immigration case and these judges will do everything they can to keep them here, even criminals. You support that and you're not offering up any proposals or solutions, only opposition to those that are ready to end illegal immigration.

You're really not aware of the grift behind illegal immigration through our own government, nor the catastrophic effects it's produced. It's very much the case that if we don't get a handle on it, it will wreak havoc to the point of no recovery.
He's not going after the monsters and the worst of the worst, like he claims. He's going after the numbers.

Good judges care about the law first and foremost. I posted a thread about two venerable conservative judges who are concerned about Trump's lawlessness on this issue. Zero response. The fact that some Democrats may want more immigrants for political reasons, and some Republicans may fear that, doesn't mean all of these judges are politicized. The record is showing the opposite. Trump is overreaching, and he's getting pushback from judges across the political spectrum.

I'm aware of allegations of grift, including some involving my own church. It can and should be dealt with in a way that doesn't undermine our constitutional rights. The alternative is what would truly be catastrophic.
The nature of illegal immigration presents a significant challenge when it comes to ensuring national security and public safety. When individuals cross the border without documentation or inspection, we are immediately placed at a disadvantage. Unlike legal immigrants, who go through background checks, interviews, and screenings, illegals arrive with no verifiable information attached to their identity. We don't know their real names, ages, or countries of origin with certainty, let alone their criminal backgrounds.

This lack of data becomes even more problematic given that the US doesn't have access to the criminal databases of many foreign governments, especially in nations with limited law enforcement infrastructure or poor diplomatic cooperation, aka all of Mexico and SA. So even if an individual has committed serious crimes abroad, like assault, drug trafficking, or even murder…those offenses will not appear in any U.S. system unless that country shares it, which is rare. Someone could cross the border undetected and begin a life in the U.S. with a completely clean slate in the eyes of American authorities.

The reason the cartel exists and operates on a massive scale is because of their illegal and easy access to the US. Without that, they would collapse. Really think about that.

Compounding this issue is the fact that a large proportion of crime in the US remains unsolved. According to FBI data, clearance rates for violent crimes like rape and robbery are often under 50%, and for property crimes, they're even lower. This means that if an illegal commits a crime but evades identification, there's a high chance they'll never be caught. And even if they are suspected, without prior records like fingerprints or a background, the trail can go cold quickly.

Illegal immigration by its very nature creates blind spots for law enforcement and weakens our ability to protect communities. The inability to verify someone's identity, criminal past, or intent makes it impossible to fully assess the risks they may pose, and that's not a safe foundation for the American public.

You want to provide them with a process and the process is incompetent at best. It yields no real results. Propose me a real solution: how do we get a handle on this and how do we deport tens of thousands of violent criminals, cartel members and evildoers? How do you go after the really bad guys if you're missing background info and you really have no idea who they are?
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Doc Holliday
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.
KaiBear
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Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.
Exactly
gtownbear
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Sam Lowry said:

And just a reminder, Mr. Uzcategui and probably many others are in CECOT despite not having broken any law.
Show me the others. And I am not sure we have heard the last of this man's case. One thing I am sure of. Fentanyl is becoming much less of a problem with our southern border sealed. Rio Grande border towns are no longer being overrun by illegals, who decimated their hospitals and health care system along with other services meant for our disadvantaged American Citizens. And crime is going down as we remove these gang members and illegal criminals who never should have been allowed into our country in the first place.

To see you and these out of control judges defend these criminals doing such harm to Americans is both disappointing and angering at the same time. Your goal to keep these horrible scumbags in this country is against the best interests of the country. We have to fight you on this until we win. And that is what we all fully intend to do.

These judges are a real piece of work. So many of them enjoying their time in the spotlight as they take away power belonging to the President and Executive Branch of Government. They are proof that tyrants can be either appointed or elected to put on a black robe. But as they continue with these decisions that make no sense, a point will be reached where no one will believe a word coming out of their mouths. I would advise Chief Justice Roberts that he could get far out on a limb in backing these radical decisions and judges.

I continue to say we have to get these illegals out of the country, and in the end Trump will prevail I believe and do just that.
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State


Most hearings are by submission.

Nice try though.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Osodecentx
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Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.


So you "conservatives" trust the government to snatch up criminals and ship them overseas without a hearing? Not conservative
Osodecentx
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GrowlTowel said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State


Most hearings are by submission.

Nice try though.

Educate me. What are "hearings by submission "?
KaiBear
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.


So you "conservatives" trust the government to snatch up criminals and ship them overseas without a hearing? Not conservative

Millions were brought into the country without due process.......yet now you magically demand due process, one by one, in order to get rid of them.

How enlightened.
Osodecentx
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KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.


So you "conservatives" trust the government to snatch up criminals and ship them overseas without a hearing? Not conservative

Millions were brought into the country without due process.......yet now you magically demand due process, one by one, in order to get rid of them.

How enlightened.


So, your trust in government surprises me. Isn't that different from your past posts?
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.
Anyone who ever exceeded the speed limit broke the law. Trump is breaking the law every time he denies someone due process.

By your reasoning practically everyone in the country is a sex trafficker.
You said Trump wasn't going after real criminals and I simply stated that all of them are real criminals.

It's impossible to sort through every illegal immigration case and these judges will do everything they can to keep them here, even criminals. You support that and you're not offering up any proposals or solutions, only opposition to those that are ready to end illegal immigration.

You're really not aware of the grift behind illegal immigration through our own government, nor the catastrophic effects it's produced. It's very much the case that if we don't get a handle on it, it will wreak havoc to the point of no recovery.
He's not going after the monsters and the worst of the worst, like he claims. He's going after the numbers.

Good judges care about the law first and foremost. I posted a thread about two venerable conservative judges who are concerned about Trump's lawlessness on this issue. Zero response. The fact that some Democrats may want more immigrants for political reasons, and some Republicans may fear that, doesn't mean all of these judges are politicized. The record is showing the opposite. Trump is overreaching, and he's getting pushback from judges across the political spectrum.

I'm aware of allegations of grift, including some involving my own church. It can and should be dealt with in a way that doesn't undermine our constitutional rights. The alternative is what would truly be catastrophic.
The nature of illegal immigration presents a significant challenge when it comes to ensuring national security and public safety. When individuals cross the border without documentation or inspection, we are immediately placed at a disadvantage. Unlike legal immigrants, who go through background checks, interviews, and screenings, illegals arrive with no verifiable information attached to their identity. We don't know their real names, ages, or countries of origin with certainty, let alone their criminal backgrounds.

This lack of data becomes even more problematic given that the US doesn't have access to the criminal databases of many foreign governments, especially in nations with limited law enforcement infrastructure or poor diplomatic cooperation, aka all of Mexico and SA. So even if an individual has committed serious crimes abroad, like assault, drug trafficking, or even murder…those offenses will not appear in any U.S. system unless that country shares it, which is rare. Someone could cross the border undetected and begin a life in the U.S. with a completely clean slate in the eyes of American authorities.

The reason the cartel exists and operates on a massive scale is because of their illegal and easy access to the US. Without that, they would collapse. Really think about that.

Compounding this issue is the fact that a large proportion of crime in the US remains unsolved. According to FBI data, clearance rates for violent crimes like rape and robbery are often under 50%, and for property crimes, they're even lower. This means that if an illegal commits a crime but evades identification, there's a high chance they'll never be caught. And even if they are suspected, without prior records like fingerprints or a background, the trail can go cold quickly.

Illegal immigration by its very nature creates blind spots for law enforcement and weakens our ability to protect communities. The inability to verify someone's identity, criminal past, or intent makes it impossible to fully assess the risks they may pose, and that's not a safe foundation for the American public.

You want to provide them with a process and the process is incompetent at best. It yields no real results. Propose me a real solution: how do we get a handle on this and how do we deport tens of thousands of violent criminals, cartel members and evildoers? How do you go after the really bad guys if you're missing background info and you really have no idea who they are?
Trump has exaggerated the problem like the demagogue that he is, but let's say all of that is true. I could go on at length about the danger of unchecked government power, warrantless searches, kangaroo courts, etc. But you're a libertarian, or at least something like it. You already know all of this. We have to balance the risks if we want to live in a free country, and the presumption is that the biggest risk comes from the state. That is fundamental to an understanding of our Constitution.

It may be difficult to catch the really bad guys, but the one sure way to fail is not to try. Not holding the government accountable will lead to more cases like the ones we're seeing now. More valuable resources wasted to torment innocent people while the real monsters roam free, because at the end of the day it's easier that way. I don't have to tell you that's the way bureaucracy works.

There are solutions we could try. We could make legal immigration easier, but we don't. We could crack down on employers, but we don't do that either. The truth is that we need immigrant laborers and we like underpaying them, subjecting them to unsafe conditions, and otherwise taking advantage of their undocumented status in ways that we can't do to Americans...at least not as of now. It's how things have always worked. Until there's a serious conversation about changing it, don't talk to me about abandoning the rule of law or granting unprecedented power to the executive. That's just asking for corruption and abuse, and anyone who expects it to solve anything is being culpably naive. Any conservative or libertarian doubly so.
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Osodecentx said:

KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.


So you "conservatives" trust the government to snatch up criminals and ship them overseas without a hearing? Not conservative

Millions were brought into the country without due process.......yet now you magically demand due process, one by one, in order to get rid of them.

How enlightened.


So, your trust in government surprises me. Isn't that different from your past posts?
As usual, your response has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Just forget it.
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KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.


So you "conservatives" trust the government to snatch up criminals and ship them overseas without a hearing? Not conservative

Millions were brought into the country without due process.......yet now you magically demand due process, one by one, in order to get rid of them.

How enlightened.


So, your trust in government surprises me. Isn't that different from your past posts?
As usual, your response has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Just forget it.
His response has everything to do with the topic at hand.
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You make a victim of these illegals at every turn. I don't believe I have read once about you feeling any sorrow for Americans who have been victimized by people that broke into our country. It is the constant defense of illegals who don't belong here. For four long years we watched videos night after night showing massive lines of illegals flooding into the country and you did not bring a point about any illegal activity.

But now with a new administration with an electoral mandate, you and your radical judge buddies bring up thousands of legal points as we attempt to throw out those who never should have been allowed in. President Trump should have been allowed to use the Alien Enemies Act to remove all of these gang members and hardened criminals with records. Or anyone that entered illegally for that matter.

Since you did not complain about the judiciary as they allowed Biden free reign to open the border to all comers, why should we listen to your complaints now as we try to remove them as fast as possible? Tom Homan should make life miserable for the illegals in the sanctuary cities as he said. After all, there are still laws regarding illegals who enter the country. And to those with criminal offenses, ICE can do things quickly to get deportation orders and remove them outside the normal courts.

All need to go. Then we can devise the system for the workers we need to come in, but it must be a legal, orderly process.
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KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

gtownbear said:

They had to know they would be denied asylum in all probability and so they did not bother to show. Who wants individuals in this country who disregard laws from the moment they enter the country.
He literally bothered to show, was arrested on the spot, and was sent to a foreign prison camp. Remember, he's one of those immigrants who followed the rules...you know, the ones you were pretending to care about. You don't have anything to say?
Do you have anything to say about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked through our border?
Apparently I'm the only one who does.

If you actually care about punishing the wrongdoers and protecting the vulnerable, due process is the key. It's how you sort the guilty from the innocent.

Trump issues quotas and holds no one accountable for mistakes and abuses. That only encourages ICE to round up easy targets, people living with nothing to hide, not the real criminals. All while he seizes unprecedented "wartime" powers that would make you piss your pants if a Democrat did it.

It's all about emotion. Nothing else. Trump pushes your button, and you melt just like every quivering statist.
You obviously don't care or you'd support zero tolerance for coming into our border illegally.

All of them are criminals as defined by our own laws. They trespassed which is a crime. It doesn't matter for what reason, they are criminals because they illegally came into our country. If you disagree, then you disagree with the law.


Then a hearing would be a slam dunk for the State
Except for the part where they don't show up and we have no idea where they are.


So you "conservatives" trust the government to snatch up criminals and ship them overseas without a hearing? Not conservative

Millions were brought into the country without due process.......yet now you magically demand due process, one by one, in order to get rid of them.

How enlightened.


So, your trust in government surprises me. Isn't that different from your past posts?
As usual, your response has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Just forget it.


You trust big government to identify & deport whomever they arrest.
Why not a hearing before a magistrate?
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gtownbear said:

You make a victim of these illegals at every turn. I don't believe I have read once about you feeling any sorrow for Americans who have been victimized by people that broke into our country. It is the constant defense of illegals who don't belong here. For four long years we watched videos night after night showing massive lines of illegals flooding into the country and you did not bring a point about any illegal activity.

But now with a new administration with an electoral mandate, you and your radical judge buddies bring up thousands of legal points as we attempt to throw out those who never should have been allowed in. President Trump should have been allowed to use the Alien Enemies Act to remove all of these gang members and hardened criminals with records. Or anyone that entered illegally for that matter.

Since you did not complain about the judiciary as they allowed Biden free reign to open the border to all comers, why should we listen to your complaints now as we try to remove them as fast as possible? Tom Homan should make life miserable for the illegals in the sanctuary cities as he said. After all, there are still laws regarding illegals who enter the country. And to those with criminal offenses, ICE can do things quickly to get deportation orders and remove them outside the normal courts.

All need to go. Then we can devise the system for the workers we need to come in, but it must be a legal, orderly process.
So you're frustrated by the flood of illegal aliens, you're angry at Biden, and you don't want to hear from anyone who didn't rant and rave loudly enough about it (even if they despised Biden, as I did).

You have big emotions. How does any of this mean I should stop caring about the law and the Constitution?
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Laughing how the Left likes using the 5th Amendment due process clause as a cudgel without remotely identifying the life, liberty or property deprivation [necessary to trigger the clause].

Due process is not a blanket obligation, it requires a specific trigger.

Identify that trigger or sit down and stop blathering.
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

Laughing how the Left likes using the 5th Amendment due process clause as a cudgel without remotely identifying the life, liberty or property deprivation [necessary to trigger the clause].

Due process is not a blanket obligation, it requires a specific trigger.

Identify that trigger or sit down and stop blathering.
See page 37.
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It means you should care about American Citizens more than illegals who broke in.
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Oso and Sam: 'won't someone PLEASE think of the murderous gang members???'
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gtownbear said:

It means you should care about American Citizens more than illegals who broke in.
I can appreciate Sam's stance. Go by the law. Whatever you think of him, he is consistent.

However he also stands by the law when it is corrupt and misused. Which places him on the side of leftists much of the time. That is a sad thing. It's what gets innocent people sent to jail and murdered, while the criminals roam freely

I wish he would do more to try to change those laws than support them.
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gtownbear said:

It means you should care about American Citizens more than illegals who broke in.
Exactly. That's why I value our rights more than I fear the illegals (or the accused illegals who will never have due process).
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Assassin said:

gtownbear said:

It means you should care about American Citizens more than illegals who broke in.
I can appreciate Sam's stance. Go by the law. Whatever you think of him, he is consistent.

However he also stands by the law when it is corrupt and misused. Which places him on the side of leftists much of the time. That is a sad thing. It's what gets innocent people sent to jail and murdered, while the criminals roam freely

I wish he would do more to try to change those laws than support them.
I've always said I'd like to see Antifa punished more harshly. Just not to the extent of violating their constitutional rights.
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Sam Lowry said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

Laughing how the Left likes using the 5th Amendment due process clause as a cudgel without remotely identifying the life, liberty or property deprivation [necessary to trigger the clause].

Due process is not a blanket obligation, it requires a specific trigger.

Identify that trigger or sit down and stop blathering.
See page 37.
Read it. You lied.

DHS v. Thuraissigiam 591 US 103
"The extent of due process owed may vary by fact and circumstance".
Yamataya v. Fisher 189 US 86
Zadyvdas v. Davis 533 US 678

Removal proceedings are civil, not criminal.

Harisiades v. Schaughnessy 342 US 580

Does not require judicial action [executive inquiry is enough]. Executive action is discretionary.
Jay v. Boyd 351 US 345

Title 8

There are numerous pathways whereby illegals have ZERO right to judicial review.
Further, nothing absolutely entitles the applicant on those limited areas of review to an in person hearing.
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A man doing his homework. I like it!
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Assassin said:

gtownbear said:

It means you should care about American Citizens more than illegals who broke in.
I can appreciate Sam's stance. Go by the law. Whatever you think of him, he is consistent.

However he also stands by the law when it is corrupt and misused. Which places him on the side of leftists much of the time. That is a sad thing. It's what gets innocent people sent to jail and murdered, while the criminals roam freely

I wish he would do more to try to change those laws than support them.
My question is did he use the law when millions came in illegally or only now when we are trying to remove them
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Adriacus Peratuun said:

Sam Lowry said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

Laughing how the Left likes using the 5th Amendment due process clause as a cudgel without remotely identifying the life, liberty or property deprivation [necessary to trigger the clause].

Due process is not a blanket obligation, it requires a specific trigger.

Identify that trigger or sit down and stop blathering.
See page 37.
Read it. You lied.

DHS v. Thuraissigiam 591 US 103
"The extent of due process owed may vary by fact and circumstance".
Yamataya v. Fisher 189 US 86
Zadyvdas v. Davis 533 US 678

Removal proceedings are civil, not criminal.

Harisiades v. Schaughnessy 342 US 580

Does not require judicial action [executive inquiry is enough]. Executive action is discretionary.
Jay v. Boyd 351 US 345

Title 8

There are numerous pathways whereby illegals have ZERO right to judicial review.
Further, nothing absolutely entitles the applicant on those limited areas of review to an in person hearing.

You asked for someone to identify the interest, not to define the limits of due process. I'll assume you're not a liar and you just need a moment to catch up.
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Sam Lowry said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

Sam Lowry said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

Laughing how the Left likes using the 5th Amendment due process clause as a cudgel without remotely identifying the life, liberty or property deprivation [necessary to trigger the clause].

Due process is not a blanket obligation, it requires a specific trigger.

Identify that trigger or sit down and stop blathering.
See page 37.
Read it. You lied.

DHS v. Thuraissigiam 591 US 103
"The extent of due process owed may vary by fact and circumstance".
Yamataya v. Fisher 189 US 86
Zadyvdas v. Davis 533 US 678

Removal proceedings are civil, not criminal.

Harisiades v. Schaughnessy 342 US 580

Does not require judicial action [executive inquiry is enough]. Executive action is discretionary.
Jay v. Boyd 351 US 345

Title 8

There are numerous pathways whereby illegals have ZERO right to judicial review.
Further, nothing absolutely entitles the applicant on those limited areas of review to an in person hearing.

You asked for someone to identify the interest, not to define the limits of due process. I'll assume you're not a liar and you just need a moment to catch up.
You:

"Aliens have a liberty interest in living, staying, and working here."
Legally false, thus a lie.

Not any of those items you listed are an interest which legally trigger judicial due process rights.
Judicial review of executive actions in the deportation setting require specific Title 8 triggers [asylum claim improperly decided by executive officer (as a matter of law) because…..]. Not your amorphous……..living, staying, working here nonsense.

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

Sam Lowry said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

Sam Lowry said:

Adriacus Peratuun said:

Laughing how the Left likes using the 5th Amendment due process clause as a cudgel without remotely identifying the life, liberty or property deprivation [necessary to trigger the clause].

Due process is not a blanket obligation, it requires a specific trigger.

Identify that trigger or sit down and stop blathering.
See page 37.
Read it. You lied.

DHS v. Thuraissigiam 591 US 103
"The extent of due process owed may vary by fact and circumstance".
Yamataya v. Fisher 189 US 86
Zadyvdas v. Davis 533 US 678

Removal proceedings are civil, not criminal.

Harisiades v. Schaughnessy 342 US 580

Does not require judicial action [executive inquiry is enough]. Executive action is discretionary.
Jay v. Boyd 351 US 345

Title 8

There are numerous pathways whereby illegals have ZERO right to judicial review.
Further, nothing absolutely entitles the applicant on those limited areas of review to an in person hearing.

You asked for someone to identify the interest, not to define the limits of due process. I'll assume you're not a liar and you just need a moment to catch up.
You:

"Aliens have a liberty interest in living, staying, and working here."
Legally false, thus a lie.

Not any of those items you listed are an interest which legally trigger judicial due process rights.
Judicial review of executive actions in the deportation setting require specific Title 8 triggers [asylum claim improperly decided by executive officer (as a matter of law) because…..]. Not your amorphous……..living, staying, working here nonsense.


"It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings." ~Antonin Scalia
 
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