Let the birthrights stay only if their criminal, illegal alien families leave. That would be constitutionalSam Lowry said:Not really, but let's assume you're right. Is there a lawful way to deal with it, or must we resort to unconstitutional methods?Assassin said:Never in the history of our country has there been an illegal alien invasion like we have seen in the previous four years. Your party of choice has made it an issueSam Lowry said:You're arguing with precedent that existed before most Americans had even heard of leftism, much less seen a leftist Supreme Court.Assassin said:Actually, he issued an EO that he expected to go before SCOTUS to decide. The Executive Order 14156: "Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship," aimed at ending birthright citizenship for children born in the U.S. whose parents are in the country unlawfully or on temporary visas. How the constitutional amendment that liberals are using was designated for Civil War slaves post-conflict. At no time was it ever meant to be abused like this by leftists, simply to change the political arena forever. Again, are you a leftist?Sam Lowry said:It is happening, just not to you. Trump is denying the rights and privileges of citizenship to a group of people that you and he would rather not allow to vote.Assassin said:My argument is not only rational; it is happening right in front of us. Yours, on the other hand... well, not so muchSam Lowry said:Sounds like a lot of trouble when Biden could have just stripped citizenship from conservative voters and taken over that way. I guess there's nothing in the law or the Constitution that says otherwise?Assassin said:Well, the Liberal plan has always been to use Birthright Citizenship to anchor illegal alien parents to the voting districts, use them to increase to get the other illegal aliens full citizenship and increase the population rolls to take over the House permanently. They estimate at least 10 new Democrat seatsSam Lowry said:The subject is denial of citizenship by the president and whether it violates the Constitution. You say it doesn't unless and until you're deported. I just want to clarify that you're okay with losing the right to vote.Assassin said:You're changing the argument. Stick to the subjectSam Lowry said:What about losing your right to vote? Still no problem?Assassin said:I'm replying that until it actually happens, it's moot. He hasn't deported anyone under that rule. Your fanatical liberal buddy judges have seen to that, which I'm pretty sure he expected. Trump wanted this to go to SCOTUS. They've already ruled that the Federal Judges cant touch this. The rule was put in place for slaves after the Civil War, not for use for Anchor Babies. Your boys have misused it for too longSam Lowry said:If you're talking about birthright citizenship, the Court decided that issue a long time ago. But that's not what I asked you. Are you saying the president could take away your citizenship and it would be constitutional as long as you weren't deported?Assassin said:He knows it will go before the Supreme Court. They will interpret the Constitution, not you. Your record is not good on it.Sam Lowry said:So if the president signs an order taking away your citizenship, that is constitutional as far as you're concerned?Assassin said:That's just silly Sam. If no one has been deported, he hasn't violated the Constitution. Your words, not mineSam Lowry said:That's beside the point. Denying citizenship violates the Constitution whether or not the person is deported.Assassin said:I don't think he has deported anyone under Birthright Citizenship according to Reuters. So he hasn't violated the Constitution if this is accurate. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-lawyer-says-no-immediate-deportations-under-birthright-citizenship-order-2025-06-30/Sam Lowry said:He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship.historian said:
The president is most definitely following the law, especially the constitution. It's the rogue judges who are violating the law and the constitution in a coup attempt. According to the constitution, the "Supreme Law of the land", one could reasonably argue that what they are doing is treason.
"He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship."
How very liberal of you.
If Trump expects the Court to take up this issue, either he's naive or the conservative justices are way more in the tank than even their harshest critics believe.
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