Federal Judge blocks Trump from deporting illegal alien gang members

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The president is most definitely following the law, especially the constitution. It's the rogue judges who are violating the law and the constitution in a coup attempt. According to the constitution, the "Supreme Law of the land", one could reasonably argue that what they are doing is treason.
He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship.
I don't think he has deported anyone under Birthright Citizenship according to Reuters. So he hasn't violated the Constitution if this is accurate. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-lawyer-says-no-immediate-deportations-under-birthright-citizenship-order-2025-06-30/
That's beside the point. Denying citizenship violates the Constitution whether or not the person is deported.
That's just silly Sam. If no one has been deported, he hasn't violated the Constitution. Your words, not mine
"He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship."
So if the president signs an order taking away your citizenship, that is constitutional as far as you're concerned?
He knows it will go before the Supreme Court. They will interpret the Constitution, not you. Your record is not good on it.
If you're talking about birthright citizenship, the Court decided that issue a long time ago. But that's not what I asked you. Are you saying the president could take away your citizenship and it would be constitutional as long as you weren't deported?
I'm replying that until it actually happens, it's moot. He hasn't deported anyone under that rule. Your fanatical liberal buddy judges have seen to that, which I'm pretty sure he expected. Trump wanted this to go to SCOTUS. They've already ruled that the Federal Judges cant touch this. The rule was put in place for slaves after the Civil War, not for use for Anchor Babies. Your boys have misused it for too long
What about losing your right to vote? Still no problem?
You're changing the argument. Stick to the subject
The subject is denial of citizenship by the president and whether it violates the Constitution. You say it doesn't unless and until you're deported. I just want to clarify that you're okay with losing the right to vote.
Well, the Liberal plan has always been to use Birthright Citizenship to anchor illegal alien parents to the voting districts, use them to increase to get the other illegal aliens full citizenship and increase the population rolls to take over the House permanently. They estimate at least 10 new Democrat seats

How very liberal of you.
Sounds like a lot of trouble when Biden could have just stripped citizenship from conservative voters and taken over that way. I guess there's nothing in the law or the Constitution that says otherwise?
My argument is not only rational; it is happening right in front of us. Yours, on the other hand... well, not so much
It is happening, just not to you. Trump is denying the rights and privileges of citizenship to a group of people that you and he would rather not allow to vote.
Actually, he issued an EO that he expected to go before SCOTUS to decide. The Executive Order 14156: "Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship," aimed at ending birthright citizenship for children born in the U.S. whose parents are in the country unlawfully or on temporary visas. How the constitutional amendment that liberals are using was designated for Civil War slaves post-conflict. At no time was it ever meant to be abused like this by leftists, simply to change the political arena forever. Again, are you a leftist?
You're arguing with precedent that existed before most Americans had even heard of leftism, much less seen a leftist Supreme Court.

If Trump expects the Court to take up this issue, either he's naive or the conservative justices are way more in the tank than even their harshest critics believe.
Never in the history of our country has there been an illegal alien invasion like we have seen in the previous four years. Your party of choice has made it an issue
Not really, but let's assume you're right. Is there a lawful way to deal with it, or must we resort to unconstitutional methods?
Let the birthrights stay only if their criminal, illegal alien families leave. That would be constitutional
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Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
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The president is most definitely following the law, especially the constitution. It's the rogue judges who are violating the law and the constitution in a coup attempt. According to the constitution, the "Supreme Law of the land", one could reasonably argue that what they are doing is treason.
He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship.
I don't think he has deported anyone under Birthright Citizenship according to Reuters. So he hasn't violated the Constitution if this is accurate. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-lawyer-says-no-immediate-deportations-under-birthright-citizenship-order-2025-06-30/
That's beside the point. Denying citizenship violates the Constitution whether or not the person is deported.
That's just silly Sam. If no one has been deported, he hasn't violated the Constitution. Your words, not mine
"He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship."
So if the president signs an order taking away your citizenship, that is constitutional as far as you're concerned?
He knows it will go before the Supreme Court. They will interpret the Constitution, not you. Your record is not good on it.
If you're talking about birthright citizenship, the Court decided that issue a long time ago. But that's not what I asked you. Are you saying the president could take away your citizenship and it would be constitutional as long as you weren't deported?
I'm replying that until it actually happens, it's moot. He hasn't deported anyone under that rule. Your fanatical liberal buddy judges have seen to that, which I'm pretty sure he expected. Trump wanted this to go to SCOTUS. They've already ruled that the Federal Judges cant touch this. The rule was put in place for slaves after the Civil War, not for use for Anchor Babies. Your boys have misused it for too long
What about losing your right to vote? Still no problem?
You're changing the argument. Stick to the subject
The subject is denial of citizenship by the president and whether it violates the Constitution. You say it doesn't unless and until you're deported. I just want to clarify that you're okay with losing the right to vote.
Well, the Liberal plan has always been to use Birthright Citizenship to anchor illegal alien parents to the voting districts, use them to increase to get the other illegal aliens full citizenship and increase the population rolls to take over the House permanently. They estimate at least 10 new Democrat seats

How very liberal of you.
Sounds like a lot of trouble when Biden could have just stripped citizenship from conservative voters and taken over that way. I guess there's nothing in the law or the Constitution that says otherwise?
My argument is not only rational; it is happening right in front of us. Yours, on the other hand... well, not so much
It is happening, just not to you. Trump is denying the rights and privileges of citizenship to a group of people that you and he would rather not allow to vote.
Actually, he issued an EO that he expected to go before SCOTUS to decide. The Executive Order 14156: "Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship," aimed at ending birthright citizenship for children born in the U.S. whose parents are in the country unlawfully or on temporary visas. How the constitutional amendment that liberals are using was designated for Civil War slaves post-conflict. At no time was it ever meant to be abused like this by leftists, simply to change the political arena forever. Again, are you a leftist?
You're arguing with precedent that existed before most Americans had even heard of leftism, much less seen a leftist Supreme Court.

If Trump expects the Court to take up this issue, either he's naive or the conservative justices are way more in the tank than even their harshest critics believe.
Never in the history of our country has there been an illegal alien invasion like we have seen in the previous four years. Your party of choice has made it an issue
Not really, but let's assume you're right. Is there a lawful way to deal with it, or must we resort to unconstitutional methods?
How about this?

My Firsthand Knowledge about Anchor Babies
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Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
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Trying to understand what you mean by "constitutional." You said on the "100 Days" thread that you define conservatism as that which empowers the Republican Party, not necessarily what conforms to any governing principle. Would you say constitutionalism is defined the same way?
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Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
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It's a minor issue. They're not staying here, and to the extent they're committing fraud, that's why we have ICE and the DHS.
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Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
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The president is most definitely following the law, especially the constitution. It's the rogue judges who are violating the law and the constitution in a coup attempt. According to the constitution, the "Supreme Law of the land", one could reasonably argue that what they are doing is treason.
He's violating the Constitution in particular by refusing to recognize birthright citizenship.support the Democrats' interpretation
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Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
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… without costing taxpayers one dime and without permitting criminals to run rampant. Those are also trademarks of Dem policies.
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Assassin said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
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It's amazing how quickly and casually Sam abandons honesty in his posts these days.
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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
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Assassin said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
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I leave you all this at the end of a July 4th weekend. These will always be true.

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Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.
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Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
Sam Lowry
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.
Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He wasn't. It's his party. Everything was going to plan
"I will not die today, but the same cannot be said for you." - From Assassin's Creed
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.
You have that almost completely backward.

For one thing, when Obama's Border Patrol turned away aliens at the border, the Obama White House called those 'deportations'. Kind of the same way Biden pretended his policies which raised inflation somehow lowered it.

And you're not going to fool many people with a functioning brain that Trump has not rid us of thousands of gang members, known for rapes and murders, just because you put some 'Maryland Man' tag on them.

You need better lies, Sam. The ones you are using are tired, old and long debunked.

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Assassin said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.
Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He wasn't. It's his party. Everything was going to plan
Hey, you're the Democrat.
Assassin
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Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.
Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He wasn't. It's his party. Everything was going to plan
Hey, you're the Democrat.
My guess it that if we took a poll here, you would the the sole vote for that.

You, on the other hand, would be a different story
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KaiBear
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the country he was sworn to defend.

Sam Lowry
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the vary country he was sworn to defend.


There were more people fleeing Central and South America for various reasons. They would probably disagree that Biden invited them or that they were simply "allowed" to enter the country.

In any case, the Constitution says nothing about how many immigrants may or may not be admitted.
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Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the vary country he was sworn to defend.


There were more people fleeing Central and South America for various reasons. They would probably disagree that Biden invited them or that they were simply "allowed" to enter the country.

In any case, the Constitution says nothing about how many immigrants may or may not be admitted.


Liar

Biden publicly announced his intention to not only 'allow' illegals into to US…..in direct violation of federal immigration laws …..


He announced that 'free' food, healthcare and housing would be provided.


The response of millions was easily predictable.
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the vary country he was sworn to defend.


There were more people fleeing Central and South America for various reasons. They would probably disagree that Biden invited them or that they were simply "allowed" to enter the country.

In any case, the Constitution says nothing about how many immigrants may or may not be admitted.
Liar

Biden publicly announced his intention to not only 'allow' illegals into to US…..in direct violation of federal immigration laws …..

He announced that 'free' food, healthcare and housing would be provided.

The response of millions was easily predictable.
Sam is really having a rough day
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Assassin said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the vary country he was sworn to defend.


There were more people fleeing Central and South America for various reasons. They would probably disagree that Biden invited them or that they were simply "allowed" to enter the country.

In any case, the Constitution says nothing about how many immigrants may or may not be admitted.
Liar

Biden publicly announced his intention to not only 'allow' illegals into to US…..in direct violation of federal immigration laws …..

He announced that 'free' food, healthcare and housing would be provided.

The response of millions was easily predictable.
Sam is really having a rough day


Suspect the last few years have not been kind.
Sam Lowry
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KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the vary country he was sworn to defend.


There were more people fleeing Central and South America for various reasons. They would probably disagree that Biden invited them or that they were simply "allowed" to enter the country.

In any case, the Constitution says nothing about how many immigrants may or may not be admitted.


Liar

Biden publicly announced his intention to not only 'allow' illegals into to US…..in direct violation of federal immigration laws …..


He announced that 'free' food, healthcare and housing would be provided.


The response of millions was easily predictable.
Well, maybe you're right and I just didn't see the announcement. Hopefully you won't mind providing it.
Sam Lowry
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Assassin said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

KaiBear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

historian said:

Sam's definition of birthright citizenship is not definitive. It's not even sound. It's very debatable. One thing that is certain: those who drafted the 14th amendment did NOT write it to help foreign criminals evade our laws & steal from Americans.
I think Trump is bringing it up now so that we can send the ILLEGAL aliens home and not use the kids as anchor babies. If that happens, then I think he will relent, let them stay. Once their parents are gone, the liberals will give up the fight as their plans have been foiled. Then, they will not give a damn about birthright citizenship anymore
But unlike their parents, the kids will have the right to vote. Once they're separated from their families, who's going to raise them and make sure they learn to vote the right way?
Hey, your guys screwed this up. You find a fix.
This is your idea we're talking about. The parents can already be sent home if they're here illegally, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
The term "anchor child," and later "anchor baby," was used to describe Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the US as children, with the understanding that they would eventually be able to sponsor their families for citizenship. The idea became misused with the connection to the 14th Amendment by Democrats with the influx of illegal aliens under George Soros direction during this century. You broke it, you guys fix it.
I don't know why you keep saying we broke it. You're the one who's been known to vote Democrat, not me.

The fact remains that anchor babies don't keep their parents from being deported. So is Trump trashing the Constitution just for the fun of it, or is there some part of his master plan that you haven't explained yet?
First of all, I've never been the one supporting far left Democrat ideas, have I? Look in the mirror...

Second, the idea that anchor babies keep their parents from getting deported is a liberal concept and hope. Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote. Under that hope, you know what will happen. The next head count gives the Left, your Left, massive numerical increases in the House and changes US politics for the next half century. Why do you insist on that? happening?
Even if they're not deported, how are criminal illegals going to become voters? You have to be a citizen to vote in federal or state elections.
As I said, that is "Their next step is to make those criminal illegals voters, much like they want current prisoners to vote."
That's much easier said than done. Without a complete overhaul of existing law at the federal, state, and local levels, you haven't shown any pressing need to disregard the Constitution, much less any justification for doing so.
So what you are saying, the Liberal Democrats can have a plan in place and Conservative Republicans can't?
Sure, the Republicans can have a plan. The Democratic plan you're describing would require major legislative initiatives, working within the system, to effect change at all levels, with the support of the public. You're free and encouraged to work in the same way for the policies you believe in and to fight your opponents by all legitimate means. You just don't get to ignore the Constitution.


Biden consistently ignored the Constitution by transporting millions of illegals throughout the United States.

You didn't seem to worry much about it.
He deported them in record numbers, and unlike Trump he actually focused on dangerous criminals instead of workers, parents, and college students.


Liar….Biden's NET was a record number of illegals.

Biden's invited millions of illegals with the promise of 'free' food, medical care , and housing. A message anyone with the least amount of common sense immediately realized would thrill the underemployed throngs in Central America and South America.

Millions were not only allowed to enter the country unvetted; but Biden provided transportation.

Biden's actions were an unprecedented attack on the vary country he was sworn to defend.


There were more people fleeing Central and South America for various reasons. They would probably disagree that Biden invited them or that they were simply "allowed" to enter the country.

In any case, the Constitution says nothing about how many immigrants may or may not be admitted.
Liar

Biden publicly announced his intention to not only 'allow' illegals into to US…..in direct violation of federal immigration laws …..

He announced that 'free' food, healthcare and housing would be provided.

The response of millions was easily predictable.
Sam is really having a rough day
Fish in a barrel.
historian
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That did not stop the fascists in 2020 and no doubt they tried again in 2024. I suspect they have been using illegals for their voting fraud schemes for many years. The difference is we are learning more about it now.

It's probably why they were so shocked by the 2016 results: they knew the gif was in and for not realize real voters would outpace their fraud. The 2020 fraud was a much greater effort which is why it succeeded and also why it came to light: more obvious, more evidence, fewer people believing the lies.
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