LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

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I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

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I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

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Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

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Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

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More than 127 billion to SK
69.5 billion to the UK
74 billion to Australia

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

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Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

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More than 127 billion to SK
69.5 billion to the UK
74 billion to Australia

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Source?

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

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Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

---

More than 127 billion to SK
69.5 billion to the UK
74 billion to Australia

---

Source?

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Between 1946 and 2024, over $1 trillion, or roughly 30% of all US foreign aid, has gone to five countries: Israel ($337.0 billion), Egypt ($198.9 billion), former South Vietnam ($193.8 billion), Afghanistan ($168.5 billion), and South Korea ($127.6 billion), after adjusting for inflation.


Over a longer time-frame, the total cumulative support to the UK since 1946 was $69.5bn (in 2019 prices), with nearly all of it in the first decade,


Approximately a quarter of Australia's inward foreign investment is from the United States (US$740 billion or AUD$1.09 trillion).


Here are some quotes. Look em up

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This is getting out of hand!
TRUMP END THIS WAR NOW! https://t.co/iCVwthTUGV

— Luke Rudkowski (@Lukewearechange) June 16, 2025

No sane individual from any country supports Israel. pic.twitter.com/2CYsdXtPL2

— Zak (@bridgetohell) June 16, 2025

Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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sombear said:

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There are SE365 posters who could share great detail on our military relationship with Israel although most of it would be classified.

But suffice to say, we work more closely with them and rely on them far more than most ever know.

We use Israeli weapons and equipment.

We jointly develop weapons and equipment.

We share intel, and Israeli intel is second to none.

And for those who think this all is some kind of conspiracy, almost all of this goes back to the cold war. Russia supported the Arab countries. Our direct support of Israel was deliberated over many years.

As for why Israel doesn't send soldiers to fight along U.S. soldiers? Again, nothing sinister. Mostly, we do not want them directly fighting by our side. We risk losing what little Arab support we typically have. Reason 2, because Israel is surrounded by countries who want to destroy it, Israel has always taken the position that it fights only in defense. All of this could change in the future as we (and Israel) cultivate better relationships with the Arab countries.

Spying? Breaking news . . . friends have always spied on each other.

Israel is a tremendous ally.

---

I imagine a lot of those posters have benefitted quite a bit financially from our parasitic relationship with Israel so I'm not sure their testimony would be all that helpful. There is a very thin line between former military and defense contractor. The Military Industrial Complex is pretty incestuous like that.

Yes, I understand we completely cover the bill on all military development, hence why our defense budget is about to hit $1 trillion annual despite the fact they can't pass an audit showing where all the money goes, and after we pay 100% of the cost, Israel gets to use these systems and sell them to the Chinese for a profit.... how does this benefit American tax payers though?

***Edit*** Forgot to add that we co-development military projects with countries like the UK and Australia and they pay their fair share... so why cant Israel when I am told they are the real world Wakanda by all the Boomers?

Israeli intel is second to none? I guess that explains why Satanyahu thought 9/11 said was the greatest day in Israeli history.

The one time we needed intel from Israel they lied to us and got us into the Iraq War! Israel is so helpful!

We support Israel because of the cold war.... the cold war ended 30 years ago and ohh btw, they were killing American servicemen during the cold war.

Why doesnt Israel fight in our battles? Well nothing sinister... we exist to serve Israel. Their safety and priorities will always come before America and that is why we are required to fight their wars.... brilliant response!

Israel has always taken the position it fights only in self-defense.... well we can take that off the table after the last 48 hrs. This no longer applies.

Breaking news! Spying, stealing, and lying are usually not great qualities to look for when choosing allies..... do you let your wife go through all your work emails while shes sleeping with your best friend too?

Israel is a terrible ally and nothing you said says otherwise.

---

Israel pays hundreds of billions for U.S. weapons.

No, Israel pays its share for joint development.

If these are true why do we give them free tax payer money every year? Why did we give them $35 billion last year when we are over $30 trillion in debt? The Israeli slush fund is set to expire in 2028... will they re-authorize or come up with a new slush fund offering even more tribute to our masters?

On the Cold War, there are all kinds of crazy conspiracies on why we started supporting Israel. But it's actually very simple. That was my point.

I dont really have anything to contribute here other than American nuclear weapons research was passed to the Soviets by.... Jews....

The Rosenberg Trial

Again, allies spy on allies.

LOL no. Allies dont infiltrate each others governments and subvert and manipulate them.

I think we just have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of the word "ally"

Virtually every country in the world thought Iraq had WMDs. Hussein's own generals thought they had them.

Israel has directly helped us prevent numerous terrorist attacks.

Israel has helped us immensely with.anti-hacking and other tech warfare programs.

We still decline Israel troop support, and Israel still fights in defense.

It sounds nice to make all these claims... but where is the beef?

As is typical with IDF propaganda, it's all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

---

I get. You are a zealot like most on this board... but I appreciate you are at least civilized and have the intellectual capability to not resort to ad hominin's.

---

Zealot?

Definitely not. Just believe Israel is a strong ally and don't believe the Jewish conspiracy garbage.

What do the Rosenbergs have to do with U.S./Israeli relations? They were born in the U.S. and had nothing to do with Israel

BTW the vast majority of convicted U.S. spies have been Christian.

There are issues we surely can reasonably debate. But if you do not think we spy on every last one of our allies (and vice versa) I really don't know what to tell you.

---

Israel is the US strongest Ally in the most dangerous area of the world. Israel is extremely active in terror prevention and weapons development.

Attached are articles on the weapons systems that working with Israel the US has developed. Just background, may or may not sway. Or, if you are like many on the Board and want to get into source arguements or argue minutia without talking the larger point. Your call.

About 15% of our aid comes back in weapons purchases, this represents 80% of the IDF military purchases (My view, not from Israel not trying, just scale thing.).

Bottomline that in a dangerous world we have about 5 allies that put out the effort- Israel, UK, Australia, S Korea and Japan. That's it. Poland is moving up the list, in my view.

Is it worth all the aid? I think so, just like the aid to S Korea, Japan, Aussie and Poland. We need these guys.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS

Israel's Intelligence Contribution to US Security: The Cold War Years

Why Does the US Support Israel? What You Must Know

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We dont send any aid to these countries.

They are real allies and not welfare brats.

---

More than 127 billion to SK
69.5 billion to the UK
74 billion to Australia

---

Source?

---

Between 1946 and 2024, over $1 trillion, or roughly 30% of all US foreign aid, has gone to five countries: Israel ($337.0 billion), Egypt ($198.9 billion), former South Vietnam ($193.8 billion), Afghanistan ($168.5 billion), and South Korea ($127.6 billion), after adjusting for inflation.


Over a longer time-frame, the total cumulative support to the UK since 1946 was $69.5bn (in 2019 prices), with nearly all of it in the first decade,


Approximately a quarter of Australia's inward foreign investment is from the United States (US$740 billion or AUD$1.09 trillion).


Here are some quotes. Look em up

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Oh we are going back 80 years to the Marshall Plan... also foreign investment isnt aid.

Japan isnt giving Americans aid when they buy shares in US Steel.

When is the last time we sent a dime of tax payer money to SK, UK, or Australia for nothing in return?

Israel is a parasite.

So is Ukraine.

I'll cut Taiwan some slack bcs we havent given much by comparison and they offer the most strategically.

They can create chips that no one else in the world can build.

Taiwan is basically what you all are deluded into believing Israel is.

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The_barBEARian said:

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This is getting out of hand!
TRUMP END THIS WAR NOW! https://t.co/iCVwthTUGV

— Luke Rudkowski (@Lukewearechange) June 16, 2025

We couldn't get our tax cuts extended.... but Israel got America to fight its war.... we are way past due for another civil war...

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Realitybites said:

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Sometimes it pays to read opposition press

Closure of Strait of Hormuz seriously being reviewed by Iran, lawmaker says
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/06/14/closure-of-strait-of-hormuz-seriously-being-reviewed-by-iran-lawmaker-says

What is the Strait of Hormuz, could it factor into Israel-Iran conflict?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/14/what-is-the-strait-of-hormuz-could-it-factor-into-israel-iran-conflict

Hopefully Trump has the guts to resist the Israeli push to war, but I'm starting to doubt it. From defunding Ukraine to deporting illegals he seems to be taking several steps backwards recently.

Whiterock and his CIA/MI complex buddies may just get the third world war they are lobbying for.

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KaiBear said:

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Israeli casualties continue to mount under relentless Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

No doubt the Israeli military is surprised their defenses haven't been more effective.

Aid from China is already flying into Tehran.

Israel might be in a far worse situation than they ever imagined.

Which means the US could get directly involved; beginning with air strikes from US carriers.

Right now only one carrier group is in the Mediterranean. If addition carrier groups get sent to the region….. the odds of US entering the war goes up dramatically.

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KaiBear said:

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Israeli casualties continue to mount under relentless Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

No doubt the Israeli military is surprised their defenses haven't been more effective.

Aid from China is already flying into Tehran.

Israel might be in a far worse situation than they ever imagined.

Which means the US could get directly involved; beginning with air strikes from US carriers.

Right now only one carrier group is in the Mediterranean. If addition carrier groups get sent to the region….. the odds of US entering the war goes up dramatically.

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Israeli casualties continue to mount under relentless Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

No doubt the Israeli military is surprised their defenses haven't been more effective.

Aid from China is already flying into Tehran.

Israel might be in a far worse situation than they ever imagined.

Which means the US could get directly involved; beginning with air strikes from US carriers.

Right now only one carrier group is in the Mediterranean. If addition carrier groups get sent to the region….. the odds of US entering the war goes up dramatically.

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Who knows the entire truth, but all the intel I read was that Israel expected one of two scenarios, with the second being far more likely.

First scenario, quick resolution. Second scenario, Iran throws everything it has back at Israel causing major Israeli damage and casualties.

I don't think they are at all surprised.

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KaiBear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sometimes it pays to read opposition press

Closure of Strait of Hormuz seriously being reviewed by Iran, lawmaker says
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/06/14/closure-of-strait-of-hormuz-seriously-being-reviewed-by-iran-lawmaker-says

What is the Strait of Hormuz, could it factor into Israel-Iran conflict?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/14/what-is-the-strait-of-hormuz-could-it-factor-into-israel-iran-conflict

Hopefully Trump has the guts to resist the Israeli push to war, but I'm starting to doubt it. From defunding Ukraine to deporting illegals he seems to be taking several steps backwards recently.

Whiterock and his CIA/MI complex buddies may just get the third world war they are lobbying for.

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Doubt the Russians get directly involved......they already have their hands full.

China's economy needs the US far more than Iran.

Right now.....doubt WW3 is likely regardless if the US gets involved or not.

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The_barBEARian said:

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KaiBear said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sometimes it pays to read opposition press

Closure of Strait of Hormuz seriously being reviewed by Iran, lawmaker says
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/06/14/closure-of-strait-of-hormuz-seriously-being-reviewed-by-iran-lawmaker-says

What is the Strait of Hormuz, could it factor into Israel-Iran conflict?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/14/what-is-the-strait-of-hormuz-could-it-factor-into-israel-iran-conflict

Hopefully Trump has the guts to resist the Israeli push to war, but I'm starting to doubt it. From defunding Ukraine to deporting illegals he seems to be taking several steps backwards recently.

Whiterock and his CIA/MI complex buddies may just get the third world war they are lobbying for.

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Doubt the Russians get directly involved......they already have their hands full.

China's economy needs the US far more than Iran.

Right now.....doubt WW3 is likely regardless if the US gets involved or not.

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Well Israel does stab us in the back for the CCP all the time... so mb it was prearranged that once they control Iran's oil and gas they will continue selling energy to the Chinese.

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Realitybites said:

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Israeli National Security Advisor Tzachi Hanegbi told Army Radio that Iran has "thousands of ballistic missiles" in its inventory, which the Times of Israel called "a higher figure than previously estimated."

Iran has similarly made repeated claims that it hasn't used its full resources yet. "We are still exercising restraint and have not deployed all our capabilities to avoid global chaos," IRGC chief Major General Mohsen Rezaei told Iranian state media. "However, we may reach a point where we use new weapons." While reiterating Iran's claim that it doesn't seek to acquire a nuclear weapon -- a claim re-certified as valid by the US intelligence community as recently as March of this year -- he hinted that Iran's stance on nuclear weapon development could change, saying "the future cannot be predicted with precision."

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

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As I've said many times, we get more bang for our buck with Israel than any other relationship. They take out a nuclear threat, without us having to engage Iran directly.

FYI we arrived in Italy last week to visit our daughter thru this coming weekend. Logistics officers do know how to plan and she laid out a fun week for us. But we've had to chunk that and are headed back to base right now. Night shifts moving 3x volumes of stuff….

Reading available OSINT seems clear USAF and USNavy are helping directly and indirectly (i.e. supporting regional allies) to engage incoming fires over Israel. Also seeing reports that Iranian regime officials are sending family to Russia.

Iranian regime is at risk of collapse.
US defense contractors selling lots of ordnance.

Thank you, Israel. They're doing all the front-line heavy lifting making a big percentage of the world, including us specifically, a safer place

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

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As I've said many times, we get more bang for our buck with Israel than any other relationship. They take out a nuclear threat, without us having to engage Iran directly.

FYI we arrived in Italy last week to visit our daughter thru this coming weekend. Logistics officers do know how to plan and she laid out a fun week for us. But we've had to chunk that and are headed back to base right now. Night shifts moving 3x volumes of stuff….

Reading available OSINT seems clear USAF and USNavy are helping directly and indirectly (i.e. supporting regional allies) to engage incoming fires over Israel. Also seeing reports that Iranian regime officials are sending family to Russia.

Iranian regime is at risk of collapse.
US defense contractors selling lots of ordnance.

Thank you, Israel. They're doing all the front-line heavy lifting making a big percentage of the world, including us specifically, a safer place

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The average ballistic missile costs $300,000.

The average Arrow missile cost $3,000,000.

Everytime Israel starts a new war, the cost to the American tax payers is astronomical.

Israel is the worst investment America has ever made.... hence why America has never made a profit supporting Israel... just added a whole lot more debt.

You Boomers really just dont give a single **** about the future of this country and have no problem loading up the debt fighting other country's wars.

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

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As I've said many times, we get more bang for our buck with Israel than any other relationship. They take out a nuclear threat, without us having to engage Iran directly.

FYI we arrived in Italy last week to visit our daughter thru this coming weekend. Logistics officers do know how to plan and she laid out a fun week for us. But we've had to chunk that and are headed back to base right now. Night shifts moving 3x volumes of stuff….

Reading available OSINT seems clear USAF and USNavy are helping directly and indirectly (i.e. supporting regional allies) to engage incoming fires over Israel. Also seeing reports that Iranian regime officials are sending family to Russia.

Iranian regime is at risk of collapse.
US defense contractors selling lots of ordnance.

Thank you, Israel. They're doing all the front-line heavy lifting making a big percentage of the world, including us specifically, a safer place

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The average ballistic missile costs $300,000.

The average Arrow missile cost $3,000,000.

Everytime Israel starts a new war, the cost to the American tax payers is astronomical.

Israel is the worst investment America has ever made.... hence why America has never made a profit supporting Israel... just added a whole lot more debt.

You Boomers really just dont give a single **** about the future of this country and have no problem loading up the debt fighting other country's wars.

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What the education system did to our younger generations is criminal.

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

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As I've said many times, we get more bang for our buck with Israel than any other relationship. They take out a nuclear threat, without us having to engage Iran directly.

FYI we arrived in Italy last week to visit our daughter thru this coming weekend. Logistics officers do know how to plan and she laid out a fun week for us. But we've had to chunk that and are headed back to base right now. Night shifts moving 3x volumes of stuff….

Reading available OSINT seems clear USAF and USNavy are helping directly and indirectly (i.e. supporting regional allies) to engage incoming fires over Israel. Also seeing reports that Iranian regime officials are sending family to Russia.

Iranian regime is at risk of collapse.
US defense contractors selling lots of ordnance.

Thank you, Israel. They're doing all the front-line heavy lifting making a big percentage of the world, including us specifically, a safer place

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The average ballistic missile costs $300,000.

The average Arrow missile cost $3,000,000.

Everytime Israel starts a new war, the cost to the American tax payers is astronomical.

Israel is the worst investment America has ever made.... hence why America has never made a profit supporting Israel... just added a whole lot more debt.

You Boomers really just dont give a single **** about the future of this country and have no problem loading up the debt fighting other country's wars.

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What the education system did to our younger generations is criminal.

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There is a definite lack of understanding of history.

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nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Putin called Trump, who informed him that America would not restrain Israel. Putin called Khamenei and basically told him “yeah I’d start thinking about taking that deal now” lmao pic.twitter.com/0TpUJ6Zoea

— Patrick Casey (@restoreorderusa) June 15, 2025

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As I've said many times, we get more bang for our buck with Israel than any other relationship. They take out a nuclear threat, without us having to engage Iran directly.

FYI we arrived in Italy last week to visit our daughter thru this coming weekend. Logistics officers do know how to plan and she laid out a fun week for us. But we've had to chunk that and are headed back to base right now. Night shifts moving 3x volumes of stuff….

Reading available OSINT seems clear USAF and USNavy are helping directly and indirectly (i.e. supporting regional allies) to engage incoming fires over Israel. Also seeing reports that Iranian regime officials are sending family to Russia.

Iranian regime is at risk of collapse.
US defense contractors selling lots of ordnance.

Thank you, Israel. They're doing all the front-line heavy lifting making a big percentage of the world, including us specifically, a safer place

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The average ballistic missile costs $300,000.

The average Arrow missile cost $3,000,000.

Everytime Israel starts a new war, the cost to the American tax payers is astronomical.

Israel is the worst investment America has ever made.... hence why America has never made a profit supporting Israel... just added a whole lot more debt.

You Boomers really just dont give a single **** about the future of this country and have no problem loading up the debt fighting other country's wars.

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What the education system did to our younger generations is criminal.

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There is a definite lack of understanding of history.

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KaiBear said:

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Israeli casualties continue to mount under relentless Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

No doubt the Israeli military is surprised their defenses haven't been more effective.

Aid from China is already flying into Tehran.

Israel might be in a far worse situation than they ever imagined.

Which means the US could get directly involved; beginning with air strikes from US carriers.

Right now only one carrier group is in the Mediterranean. If addition carrier groups get sent to the region….. the odds of US entering the war goes up dramatically.

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Footage of Iranian missiles being intercepted above Tel Aviv just seconds ago. pic.twitter.com/qzym28x5yh

— Kassy Akiva (@KassyAkiva) June 16, 2025

Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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Israeli casualties continue to mount under relentless Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

No doubt the Israeli military is surprised their defenses haven't been more effective.

Aid from China is already flying into Tehran.

Israel might be in a far worse situation than they ever imagined.

Which means the US could get directly involved; beginning with air strikes from US carriers.

Right now only one carrier group is in the Mediterranean. If addition carrier groups get sent to the region….. the odds of US entering the war goes up dramatically.

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Israeli missile defense has never been 100% effective (which is why some of the isolationists view that we should just beef up our own missile defenses and not worry about the rest of the world is so foolish). The number of missiles that have snuck through is minimal, and in context, has caused a minimal amount of damage and casualties, especially when considering the amount of damage to Iran thus far. Even on the opening night of this barrage, Israel warned that some missiles would find their mark. So this isn't something that was unexpected.

The problem for Iran is a couple of shipments from the Chinese isn't going to save them. They are vastly outgunned. And if Israel decides to start targeting Iran's central leadership, the Mullahs are going to have a serious problem.

We should never underestimate that little country.

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Probably the most insane video you'll see today.

An Iranian news station got nailed while live on air. pic.twitter.com/XJiUWKdCj0

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 16, 2025

Jack Bauer said:

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Probably the most insane video you'll see today.

An Iranian news station got nailed while live on air. pic.twitter.com/XJiUWKdCj0

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 16, 2025

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Jack Bauer said:

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Probably the most insane video you'll see today.

An Iranian news station got nailed while live on air. pic.twitter.com/XJiUWKdCj0

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 16, 2025

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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Israeli casualties continue to mount under relentless Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

No doubt the Israeli military is surprised their defenses haven't been more effective.

Aid from China is already flying into Tehran.

Israel might be in a far worse situation than they ever imagined.

Which means the US could get directly involved; beginning with air strikes from US carriers.

Right now only one carrier group is in the Mediterranean. If addition carrier groups get sent to the region….. the odds of US entering the war goes up dramatically.

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Israeli missile defense has never been 100% effective (which is why some of the isolationists view that we should just beef up our own missile defenses and not worry about the rest of the world is so foolish). The number of missiles that have snuck through is minimal, and in context, has caused a minimal amount of damage and casualties, especially when considering the amount of damage to Iran thus far. Even on the opening night of this barrage, Israel warned that some missiles would find their mark. So this isn't something that was unexpected.

The problem for Iran is a couple of shipments from the Chinese isn't going to save them. They are vastly outgunned. And if Israel decides to start targeting Iran's central leadership, the Mullahs are going to have a serious problem.

We should never underestimate that little country.

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Israel has 400-500 nukes... they were always going to be outgunned.

The fact remains Israel cannot achieve their objects without either using said nukes or involving American troops which the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose, in contrast with the manufactured view Boomers have that all Americans love Israel and are willing to die for it.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Probably the most insane video you'll see today.

An Iranian news station got nailed while live on air. pic.twitter.com/XJiUWKdCj0

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 16, 2025

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