Whatever age they were when they came to the US, add 47 years to that. How many of them are still working and still at the top of their game?FLBear5630 said:Biggest fall out for the US, the engineers and professionals that came in 1978 that would go back. The Iranian people loved the US. Once again, it was the religious zealots that didn't.Mothra said:1) Well, what we do know is the IAEA found them to be in violation of the NPT. We know that they were enriching uranium far beyond what was necessary to power a reactor. We also know that they had unaccounted for nuclear materials, and had constructed secret facilities that the IAEA discovered after the fact. That's certainly very solid circumstantial evidence of a clandestine nuclear weapons program. Of course, it's always difficult to find a smoking gun in these situations, and you don't usually find out about the program until after they test a nuclear bomb (see NK). So, there is pretty solid evidence of a nuclear weapons program.The_barBEARian said:I had a problem with it because:Mothra said:So, again, per my post, if the US stays out of it, and Israel takes out a nuclear threat, then I remain unclear why you have any issue with this operation.The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:Israel doesn't have our bunker busting bombs, but I generally agree that Israel can do it without US involvement. Which is why it's so odd that anyone has a problem with this exercise, if the US stays out of it.The_barBEARian said:Robert Wilson said:
I'm generally pretty strong anti-interventionist. But not totally isolationist. I was against going into Iraq. Not enough of a real credible threat, no real tie to 9/11. Saddam's ego got him because he wouldn't admit what he didn't have. There are parallels here. But there are also sharp contrasts. Mullah terrorists with a long track record of threatening and harming not just their Zionist foils but also US citizens, in Iran and around the Middle East and the US. Also, more reason to be worried about Iran's long-term desire to develop nukes. Also, some reason to think the Persians have a deeper bench of options behind this regime than Iraq had behind Saddam. Still, if the Mullahs would give up their nuclear chase and show their cards, fine, we are all good. We can keep sparing them the ass kicking they've been begging for the last few decades. But if they won't, you can only make that mistake in one direction. We can live with a false positive. Can't live with a false negative. That combined with Israel as your dog of war ... about as good a combo as you're going to get. Take out the Mullahs' nuclear assets (which also requires taking out most of the rest of their military assets). Whatever happens next happens. Hopefully the Iranian people step up. Plenty of other people around the ME silently rooting for the Zionists to get rid of the Mullahs and simplify their lives. Will be interesting.
Israel is capable of dismantling Iran's nuclear capabilities without US involvement.
If they have 100% air superiority over Iran that they brag about, they can drop IDF troops onto Fordo and blow it up from the inside.
The only thing the American military can do that the IDF can't at this point is a prolonged military occupation with the goal of regime change.... I haven't seen anyone psychotic enough even on this message board to endorse such a catastrophically stupid idea.
There should be ZERO US involvement. There is no need to risk Americans lives.
I think it's merely people such as yourself borrowing trouble.
As I said, Israel can put IDF troops on the ground and assault Fordo the old fashioned way and once they have operational control over the site they can dismantle it.
They would probably take casualties but what are they expecting? Americans to do all the dying fighting a war they started without our consent?
Are you merely speculating that we are going to put troops in harm's way?
1) I do not believe Iran was developing nuclear weapons. I think it was just another false Israeli pretext for removing Iran as an obstacle to the eventual goal of Greater Israel. I believe Iran was leaving the possibility open as deterrence against precisely what just happened last week until they got an satisfactory deal with the US.
2) There would be massive damage to the global economy. Oil prices have gone up 10% but so far its been less damaging than when Joe Biden stole the 2020 election
3) China or Russia could step in. Russia had a mutual defense treaty with Iran which I guess they decided to piss on. And after Russia, China gets most of their oil and gas out of Iran so from a strategic perspective it would make some sense for them to make a move to protect their supply chains.
4) Another massive refugee crisis like what was caused by our never ending wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that destabilized the region and led to the "Arab Spring" and culminated with the 2016 Syrian civil war.
As long the current status quo remains and Israel puts boots on the ground to finish the war they started and the US doesnt get involved I would say crisis averted and Trump played this as well as could be expected.
2) This just hasn't happened, and there's simply no evidence it's going to happen. Iran contributes little to the global economy, outside of being essentially a gas station for Russia and China. The spike in gas prices quickly subsided, and they are back down. So Iran could disappear from the map, and we wouldn't see more than a blip on the world economy's radar. This simply isn't a reasonable or valid concern.
3) Again, ain't happening. Russia let Syria go, and it will do the same with Iran, if push comes to shove. It doesn't even have the capability at this point, as it is bogged down in Ukraine. China never gets involved in military skirmishes like these. So once again, this simply isn't a reasonable or valid concern.
4) Likewise, there's just no evidence this happens. If the Mullahs get replaced with a democratic govt., the Iranian people - who loathe their leaders - will be dancing in the streets. The boon to their economy with sanctions finally lifted will be massive. So again, there's just no evidence whatsoever of some massive humanitarian crises.
Trump played this well from the get-go. This is going to be over in a few weeks, and Iran's ability to go nuclear will likely be no more. And the cherry on top of the cake is that it's possible that the people of Iran will finally be free.
And when it's over in a few weeks, without any US involvement, people like Tucker will need to be reminded of how they behaved like Chicken Littles based on nothing more than wild and ridiculous speculation.
I will try not to say, "I told you so."
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Hannity is by far the most watched conservative program (though I am no fan). Ben Shapiro is the most downloaded podcast among conservatives. Charlie Kirk is right behind him.The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:Tucker has a snowball's chance in Hell of ever being president. This is a Woke Right pipe dream, and nothing more.FLBear5630 said:True, but if the Dem's get smart and run Shapiro or Cooper all bets are off. Those two could give Tucker a run.The_barBEARian said:FLBear5630 said:Yes, but I never said I would move to the territories... Trump at least had some credibility from last term and working in the development world. Tucker Carlson???? The guy has absolutely no credibility besides being a talking head, Angus Young look alike.The_barBEARian said:FLBear5630 said:There is absolutely NO WAY Tucker becomes President and NO WAY Bannon gets confirmed.The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:Good. I am fine with these Putin-loving nutjobs and convicted felons ****ing off.Realitybites said:
This is absolutely a must watch. Trump's actions with regard to the Iran-Israel war are going to fracture the MAGA alliance. Turn off Fox News for an hour.
I am not sure there's a bigger POS on the planet than Bannon.
Mothra in 2028 when Tucker becomes President with Bannon as Secretary of State:
If that happens, would not want to leave US, but wonder how life in one of the US territories would be? Guam or Northern Marianna's, maybe?
You said the same thing about Trump getting re-elected in 2020.
If its between Tucker and Kamala 2.0, I think you'll do the right thing. I believe in you FLBear.
You may not like it, but Tucker is the most popular mainstream conservative voice in America right now.
Name someone with a bigger following?
Hard to say how many people actually watch Tucker. No question, he has a big following, but his fringe views are a minority of the party, as evidenced by the recent poll that conservatives support what's happening in Iran by a very large margin. So, he's espousing views that can best be described as "fringe."
Again, highly unlikely that he would get close to sniffing the presidency.
So in your world, the US occupies California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
The satellite signal for Iran’s state-run television channel has reportedly been hacked, with all channels now playing anti-regime messaging and videos which call for freedom and revolution against the regime inside Iran. pic.twitter.com/byDo5INlgb
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 18, 2025
LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You see, that is what happens when you attack someone and lose. They have been "occupying" since 1967, it is going on 40 years! Two generations, it is Israels... No sympathy.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
GrowlTowel said:So in your world, the US occupies California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
Can Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Isreal?
They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.
Not sure but Mexican illegals often vote in Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico.Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:So in your world, the US occupies California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
Can Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Isreal?
What does voting have to do with your outrageous claim that Israel "occupies" land within its borders?
GrowlTowel said:Not sure but Mexican illegals often vote in Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico.Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:So in your world, the US occupies California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
Can Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Isreal?
What does voting have to do with your outrageous claim that Israel "occupies" land within its borders?
You know that's not true.
The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
FLBear5630 said:You see, that is what happens when you attack someone and lose. They have been "occupying" since 1967, it is going on 40 years! Two generations, it is Israels... No sympathy.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
Israel tried disengagement and that didn't work solely due to the Palestinian leadership.
Yeah, Gaza turned into a **** hole under Palestinian leadership. More interested in tunnels than building on some good opportunities with Gaza's natual assets.LIB,MR BEARS said:FLBear5630 said:You see, that is what happens when you attack someone and lose. They have been "occupying" since 1967, it is going on 40 years! Two generations, it is Israels... No sympathy.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
Israel tried disengagement and that didn't work solely due to the Palestinian leadership.
LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
ATL Bear said:They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.
Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.
Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
You've shown your a Jew hater for some time now. Remember, you said they killed Christ.
I have no illusions that Israel wants the US to bomb Fordo. They would in a heartbeat if they had the capability. Even if we loaned them the plane and gave them the bomb there is no way to send an untrained crew into that environment.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
Although the lend/lease is a good idea, operationally I would be shocked if it could be done by Israeli's.
They've already bombed Fordo, according to reports that came out yesterday. The question is whether or not it did the trick.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
You've shown your a Jew hater for some time now. Remember, you said they killed Christ.
Should I be expected to like a group of people who treat me like *****
I could accuse you of being a Palestinian and a Persian hater because you want to aid Israel in killing them.
And I wont engage with your religious fanaticism. Its pointless.
Incredible to me, if he truly said that, but it is a common refrain from the Jew haters.LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
You've shown your a Jew hater for some time now. Remember, you said they killed Christ.
It's like they forget that the entire death of Christ (a Jew himself) was preordained by God.
That said, if you're anti-Jew, it is highly likely you are not a Christian in the first place.
Lay down on the couch, and tell us what the nasty Jews did to you, personally.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
You've shown your a Jew hater for some time now. Remember, you said they killed Christ.
Should I be expected to like a group of people who treat me like *****
I could accuse you of being a Palestinian and a Persian hater because you want to aid Israel in killing them.
And I wont engage with your religious fanaticism. Its pointless.
Well that would be where Mossad or IDF paratroopers would come in....Mothra said:They've already bombed Fordo, according to reports that came out yesterday. The question is whether or not it did the trick.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
I've always thought Ted Cruz was at least smart, despite his personality but this is just bad...
Sen. Ted Cruz tries (and fails) to use the Bible to justify his support for Israel’s bombing of Iran.
— Tucker Carlson Network (@TCNetwork) June 18, 2025
Watch the full episode today at 1PM ET on https://t.co/czOhKmdlbW. pic.twitter.com/QdUuSin3a7
Laser guided munitions.
Nobody is looking through a bombsight anymore.
Fly to X coordinate, get a positive tone from the aiming system, pull the T-handle. Fly home.
The dudes on the ground hold the laser designator on the impact point. Israel has a ton of experience using laser guided munitions.
They could get 3-4 flight crews trained up in a week. Would that be optimal, no. But it could be done. Remember, it took 3 years to go from design to first flight for the U2 and 4 years for the SR71. Flying the planes is the easy part.
Nobody is looking through a bombsight anymore.
Fly to X coordinate, get a positive tone from the aiming system, pull the T-handle. Fly home.
The dudes on the ground hold the laser designator on the impact point. Israel has a ton of experience using laser guided munitions.
They could get 3-4 flight crews trained up in a week. Would that be optimal, no. But it could be done. Remember, it took 3 years to go from design to first flight for the U2 and 4 years for the SR71. Flying the planes is the easy part.
Mothra said:Lay down on the couch, and tell us what the nasty Jews did to you, personally.The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:The_barBEARian said:LIB,MR BEARS said:J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.
We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms
Shouldn't be a problem.
Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?
They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.
They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.
Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!
Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?
IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?
Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.
Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.
Let Israel fight its own wars.
You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."
They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?
Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.
Shalom Shalom
Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.
And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?
You've shown your a Jew hater for some time now. Remember, you said they killed Christ.
Should I be expected to like a group of people who treat me like *****
I could accuse you of being a Palestinian and a Persian hater because you want to aid Israel in killing them.
And I wont engage with your religious fanaticism. Its pointless.
Manipulating American foreign policy, deceiving America into the Iraq war, Epstein raping American children, killing American Servicemen onboard the USS Liberty, stealing classified military technologies and selling them to the Chinese, spying on their "closest ally", being exempted from FARA for no discernable reason and interfering in our elections by paying off our politicians with boatloads of cash...
To do it on a bombing range? Sure. To send them to Forto, Iran? Gotta be SAM city...LIB,MR BEARS said:
Laser guided munitions.
Nobody is looking through a bombsight anymore.
Fly to X coordinate, get a positive tone from the aiming system, pull the T-handle. Fly home.
The dudes on the ground hold the laser designator on the impact point. Israel has a ton of experience using laser guided munitions.
They could get 3-4 flight crews trained up in a week. Would that be optimal, no. But it could be done. Remember, it took 3 years to go from design to first flight for the U2 and 4 years for the SR71. Flying the planes is the easy part.
FLBear5630 said:To do it on a bombing range? Sure. To send them to Forto, Iran? Gotta be SAM city...LIB,MR BEARS said:
Laser guided munitions.
Nobody is looking through a bombsight anymore.
Fly to X coordinate, get a positive tone from the aiming system, pull the T-handle. Fly home.
The dudes on the ground hold the laser designator on the impact point. Israel has a ton of experience using laser guided munitions.
They could get 3-4 flight crews trained up in a week. Would that be optimal, no. But it could be done. Remember, it took 3 years to go from design to first flight for the U2 and 4 years for the SR71. Flying the planes is the easy part.
Lots of wild-weasels and ecm platforms
The solution that would benefit the Palestinians the most would be to become part of Israel. My advice to them would be to learn to like Israelis.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.
Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.
Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
because they are naive and ignorant of history and contextThe_barBEARian said:
Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.
Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
ATL Bear said:The solution that would benefit the Palestinians the most would be to become part of Israel. My advice to them would be to learn to like Israelis.The_barBEARian said:ATL Bear said:They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.Mitch Blood Green said:FLBear5630 said:No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.Mitch Blood Green said:Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.FLBear5630 said:The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere elseMothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.
Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.
They don't just "get" Nevada...
Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.
A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.
Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.
Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
Israelis will never allow that.
Jews would become a minority and the entire state is built around Jewish ethno-suprmacism.
Jews are not Anglos. They will never give up apartheid peacefully like the Anglos did in South Africa.
Mothra said:A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
Part of the stipulation of the deal would be for the Palestinians to renounce and run out all terrorist groups
JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇮🇷 President Trump reportedly approved attack plans for Iran but has withheld final approval.
— Remarks (@remarks) June 18, 2025
Mothra said:
Hannity is by far the most watched conservative program (though I am no fan). Ben Shapiro is the most downloaded podcast among conservatives. Charlie Kirk is right behind him.
Hannity's audience is exclusively Boomers.
Shapiro audience has dropped off to the point the Daily Wire is considering bankruptcy.
Kirk and Turning Point are astroturfed by special interests... his show probably pulls a couple thousand viewers on average.... Tucker pulls millions of views on a bad day.
The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:
Hannity is by far the most watched conservative program (though I am no fan). Ben Shapiro is the most downloaded podcast among conservatives. Charlie Kirk is right behind him.
Hannity's audience is exclusively Boomers.
Shapiro audience has dropped off to the point the Daily Wire is considering bankruptcy.
Kirk and Turning Point are astroturfed by special interests... his show probably pulls a couple thousand viewers on average.... Tucker pulls millions of views on a bad day.
Tucker is a smart guy but his fake confused look and disingenuous open ended questions don't serve any purpose...
"What does that mean??"
"I don't understand "
"How do you define this word specifically"
Disingenuous open ended questions.... he'd fit right in on this message board!