War with Iran?

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In reply to Redbrickbear • 8:21p, 6/19/25
Redbrickbear said:
JXL said:
Weren't people on this very board talking about voting for Trump so he could keep us out of war?


We did

And apparently JD is still holding it down





I suspect Donald Trump Jr may also be holding down... I have really grown to love DTJR. If you follow his socials he shares a lot of the non-interventionist views that Tucker has been more vocally exposing.

If we avert this crisis I can't wait to read the book on who defeat the Israel hawks, the most formidable force in American politics while the Boomers are still around....
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8:46p, 6/19/25
" Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) confirmed today that it has launched Sejil medium range ballistic missileswith a range up to 2,000km directly at Israel for the first time in recorded history.

This marks a serious escalation in the ongoing tit-for-tat conflict between the two nations.

The solid-fuel, two-stage Sejilfirst tested in 2008 is highly maneuverable and difficult to intercept, strengthening Iran's strategic posture.

Spokesmen from the IRGC proudly confirmed that three Sejilseach boasting a range between 2,000 and 2,500km, Mach13 speeds, and a warhead capacity up to 700kgwere launched deep into Israeli territory under the cover of Operation True Promise 3."
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In reply to boognish_bear • 8:55p, 6/19/25
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This is starting to get to levels of insanity I didnt even know the Israel hawks were capable of... now we are the ones using nukes?

The IDF is more than capable of thoroughly destroying Fordo with IDF boots on the ground...

This expectation that the US must enter the war because Israel isnt willing to risk the life of a single IDF soldier is ridiculous.



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In reply to JXL • 9:02p, 6/19/25
JXL said:
Weren't people on this very board talking about voting for Trump so he could keep us out of war?

So far, we are out. Some out there are just as upset about not being in a war as not being able to blame Trump for being in a war.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 9:03p, 6/19/25
Believing unsupported media reports is generally not wise.

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9:11p, 6/19/25
So here are the details of the "Iranian Assassination Plot" and the sketch foundation on which they rest.

" Shakeri is an Afghan national who immigrated to the U.S. as a child, according to the complaint, and then was deported in 2008 after serving 14 years in New York state prisons after a 1994 conviction for robbery.

In September and October of this year, according to prosecutors, Shakeri, while located in Tehran, participated in voluntary phone interviews with the FBI. Prosecutors said his reason for agreeing to speak to the FBI was "to attempt to obtain a sentence reduction for another individual" who is imprisoned in the U.S.

FBI Director Chris Wray said that Iran "has been conspiring with criminals and hitmen to target and gun down Americans on U.S. soil and that simply won't be tolerated."

So a deported Afghan with a criminal record "cooperating" with the FBI, backstopped by Chris Wray who we know never lies about anything.

Meanwhile, a broke American who actually took one of the shots is a guy who has been to Ukraine, has a background of trying to recruit Pakistanis to fight for Ukraine and somehow managed to fly from Nevada to Florida, get a gun, get to the golf course where Trump was playing and make his attempt.

Sure it was Iran and not Ukraine.
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9:29p, 6/19/25
Loomer apologizes to Tucker

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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:41p, 6/19/25
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:43p, 6/19/25
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker

this is how you know Tucker is on the right side. Loomer is ok on a lot of issues but she is a rehtard level Zio.
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In reply to Realitybites • 9:44p, 6/19/25
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So here are the details of the "Iranian Assassination Plot" and the sketch foundation on which they rest.

" Shakeri is an Afghan national who immigrated to the U.S. as a child, according to the complaint, and then was deported in 2008 after serving 14 years in New York state prisons after a 1994 conviction for robbery.

In September and October of this year, according to prosecutors, Shakeri, while located in Tehran, participated in voluntary phone interviews with the FBI. Prosecutors said his reason for agreeing to speak to the FBI was "to attempt to obtain a sentence reduction for another individual" who is imprisoned in the U.S.

FBI Director Chris Wray said that Iran "has been conspiring with criminals and hitmen to target and gun down Americans on U.S. soil and that simply won't be tolerated."

So a deported Afghan with a criminal record "cooperating" with the FBI, backstopped by Chris Wray who we know never lies about anything.

Meanwhile, a broke American who actually took one of the shots is a guy who is broke, has been to Ukraine, has a background of trying to recruit Pakistanis to fight for Ukraine and somehow managed to fly from Nevada to Florida, get a gun, get to the golf course where Trump was playing and make his attempt.

Sure it was Iran and not Ukraine.
Yeah, really difficult to believe that a country whose slogan is "Death to America," and is responsible for the deaths of numerous Americans, including the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings killing 241, the 1983 U.S. embassy bombing killing 63, the 1984 U.S. embassy annex bombing killing 24, the 1984 hijacking of a Kuwait airline killing 2 Americans, the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania killing over 200, the Iranian-backed militias in Iraq killing 603 Americans (and many more) would have some sort of scheme designed to assassinate the president.

In the words of Vizzini:

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In reply to The_barBEARian • 9:45p, 6/19/25
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.
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In reply to Mothra • 9:50p, 6/19/25
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
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10:11p, 6/19/25
She thinks she has receipts

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In reply to boognish_bear • 10:14p, 6/19/25


She is definitely the wrong messenger to make this argument when she gets paid by Israel, who for some ungodly reason is the only country to whom the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) does not apply.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:20p, 6/19/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 10:44p, 6/19/25
Oldbear83 said:
Bernie doesn't have a firm grasp of Middle East realities.

That does not mean I support troops being involved, but Sanders' notion is insipid beyond belief.

Bernie does not have a firm grasp of economic realities or any other kind. He is a radical Leftist, more radical than most, and as a group they tend to have little grasp of reality.

They are more of a death cult obsessed with killing babies, mutilating & poisoning children, fighting "climate change" (although their version is a myth), keeping our borders open so the scum of the world can come here and help them steal ejections, & much more that us evil and destructive.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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12:28a, 6/20/25
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12:39a, 6/20/25


Per Grok:

Yes, the United States does fund a significant portion of Israel's missile defense systems, including those that could contribute to the reported $200 million+ daily operational costs mentioned in the post by Dominic Michael Tripi. Here's a breakdown based on the available data and recent context:

  • Historical Funding: Since FY 2009, the U.S. has provided Israel with $3.4 billion for missile defense programs, including $1.3 billion specifically for the Iron Dome system starting in FY 2011, according to the U.S. Department of State. Additionally, from 2011 to 2022, the U.S. contributed $2.6 billion to the Iron Dome, as noted on Wikipedia, and has co-funded the Arrow missile program with investments ranging from $2.4 to $3.6 billion, covering 50-80% of the costs.
  • Current Commitments: Under a 2019-2028 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), the U.S. allocates $500 million annually for Israel's missile defense funding, alongside $3.3 billion for other military aid, per USAFacts. This funding supports systems like Iron Dome, David's Sling, and Arrow, which are likely part of the high daily costs during active conflicts, such as the recent Iranian missile attacks reported last week.
  • Recent Context: Given the intensified operations against Iran, as noted by Brig. Gen. (res.) Re'em Aminach's estimate of $1.45 billion spent in the first 48 hours (approximately $725 million daily), the U.S. likely continues to shoulder a substantial share. While exact daily contributions aren't specified, the U.S. has historically replenished Israel's missile stockse.g., a $3.5 billion deal for interceptors in 2023and emergency aid, like the $26.4 billion package approved in April 2024, suggests ongoing support during crises.
  • Public Perception and Debate: The X thread reflects varied opinions, with users like
    @RnoHach
    • suggesting the U.S. pays "for it all," while others question the cost allocation (@DavidJamesMusic's "Cost who"). The web data confirms the U.S. as the primary financial backer, though Israel contributes annually (e.g., $65 million for Arrow) and uses its own budget for operations.
In summary, yes, the U.S. funds a significant portion of Israel's missile defense, likely covering a substantial fraction of the $200 million+ daily cost during active engagements, though the exact proportion varies with each conflict and depends on emergency appropriations. Given the current escalation, additional U.S. support is probable, aligning with longstanding policy to maintain Israel's "qualitative military edge."
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1:42a, 6/20/25


Unbelievable.... the Senator from Israel.

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In reply to Mothra • 2:08a, 6/20/25
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

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In reply to The_barBEARian • 3:38a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Doc Holliday said:

We pay the price so they can expand their empire and realize Greater Israel.


Oh, look!
Our loons are quoting Israeli loons to create the mother of all strawmen.!!
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In reply to Mothra • 4:47a, 6/20/25
Now you are reaching back 50 years for a reason to go to war with Iran today? Maybe we should attack Germany again for invading Poland while we are at it.
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In reply to Realitybites • 5:15a, 6/20/25
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This is where we disagree. I am unwilling to rely on the goodwill and reasoning abilities of a terrorist state run by Islamist zealots to behave with a cache of nuclear weapons. And I think doing so would be extremely foolish.

Do you think that the majority of the senior leadership of *any* country actually believes in an ideology besides self enrichment?

Only the profoundly foolish would contend that ideology does not influence, and in some obvious cases instruct the definition of self interest.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 5:16a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Redbrickbear said:
JXL said:
Weren't people on this very board talking about voting for Trump so he could keep us out of war?


We did

And apparently JD is still holding it down





I suspect Donald Trump Jr may also be holding down... I have really grown to love DTJR. If you follow his socials he shares a lot of the non-interventionist views that Tucker has been more vocally exposing.

If we avert this crisis I can't wait to read the book on who defeat the Israel hawks, the most formidable force in American politics while the Boomers are still around....

Nope. I would still be hesitating, too, but not for any of the gibberish reasons the isolationist nutcases are offering
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In reply to Realitybites • 5:19a, 6/20/25
Realitybites said:
ShooterTX said:
Doc Holliday said:


I agree... regime change is pointless.
We should just nuke every large city in Iran, and call it a day.
The Iranians will never seek peace with the West or with Israel... so let's just end it already.
If Iran was nuked off the planet tomorrow.... would you really notice any difference? Really?


I guarantee you would. Because that would start a larger nuclear exchange which would result in the destruction of major population centers in the United States and the cancellation of the 2025-2125 College Football Seasons.

You might not care about the 90 million or so ordinary people there going about their lives, but were predicted to win the Big XII this year and have a shot at the CFP. At least think about that.

LOL talk about making up nonsense…..no, it would not.
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5:25a, 6/20/25
Of course it would. When strategic nuclear forces are brought to bear and ICBMS are launched, there is a some uncertainty for the observer about what their target is. A country that adheres to a launch on warning doctrine is very likely to fire back.

It also raises a considerable amount of doubt about what the next move of the aggressor nation will be.

There is also the matter of the Armenians, Georgians, and Kuwaitis being around 500 miles from your proposed ground zero.

I'm surprised at how willing you Boomercons are to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. Just a reminder that suicide bombing to advance Israeli foreign policy doesn't get you to heaven.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 5:33a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
The_barBEARian said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
The_barBEARian said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.

Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.

We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms

Shouldn't be a problem.

Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?

They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.

They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.

Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!

Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?

IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?


Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.

Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.

Let Israel fight its own wars.


You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."

They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?

Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.

Shalom Shalom

Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.

And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?

Not exactly. Among the reasons for not bombing Fordow are:
1) we need to retrieve all the gear there before destroying the site.
2) it's almost impossible to do #1 if it's all beneath a pile of rubble.
3) even our best bunker-buster weapon probably could not penetrate deeply enough to destroy the equipment
4) so it would take a tactical nuke to achieve a high probability of success.
5) all kinds of cautions & complications short & long #4.
6) #5 would require direct US involvement.
7) direct US involvement is at cross purposes with use of proxies to do the job done.
*the list is longer and more detailed than above.

$-$-$: which is why pressuring regime to cause collapse is the most sensible option TODAY. We can offer aid to successor regime to allow UN to go fetch the weapons program components.

Trump is playing this VERY well.
The isolationist nut jobs are merely proving just how profound their nutjobbery truly is.
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In reply to Realitybites • 5:37a, 6/20/25
Realitybites said:
Now you are reaching back 50 years for a reason to go to war with Iran today? Maybe we should attack Germany again for invading Poland while we are at it.

Well, your buddy barBEARian is going back further than that to find a reason to hate the best ally we have.
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5:54a, 6/20/25
The only reason you DC types continue to parrot the line that Israel is the best ally we have is that AIPAC bribes you to say it. Frankly, it is a tremendous insult to the people of countries who fought and bled with us during two world wars in a time when the modern UN established state of Israel didn't exist.
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In reply to Realitybites • 5:57a, 6/20/25
Realitybites said:
Of course it would. When strategic nuclear forces are brought to bear and ICBMS are launched, there is a some uncertainty for the observer about what their target is. A country that adheres to a launch on warning doctrine is very likely to fire back.

It also raises a considerable amount of doubt about what the next move of the aggressor nation will be.

There is also the matter of the Armenians, Georgians, and Kuwaitis being around 500 miles from your proposed ground zero.

I'm surprised at how willing you Boomercons are to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. Just a reminder that suicide bombing to advance Israeli foreign policy doesn't get you to heaven.

Here are the problem with that analysis:
1) Neither Russia nor China is going to risk nuclear exchange with the USA to defend Iran. (on any of several layers of scenario).
2) We do not need to waste ICBMs on such a mission. Air & sea based weapons would be far better suited.
3) Tactical nukes would be the weapon of choice - we're going for a very small target, not annihilation of an entire country.

Be patient…..let Israel keep up the pressure. Keep decapitating military leadership. Start decapitating civilian leadership. Destroy Iranian commercial and military shipping & warships. Freeze Iranian assets. Cut them off from foreign aid. Spare civil population as much as possible. IMessage support for regime change relentlessly.

Be patient……
Ignore fruitcakes alleging that we are going to war.

Be patient….
The mullah regime cannot endure this forever.


Be patient…..
Our military is now in position, locked & loaded. Nobody is going to "eff" with us.

Be patient.

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6:02a, 6/20/25
I think the final conclusion to this is that those whose paychecks are linked to the promotion of war or whose flawed theology is linked to unconditionally defending one of the combatants because "they are God's chosen people" can never be convinced that said war is a bad idea no matter how many rational reasons you cite.
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