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In reply to The_barBEARian • 8:12a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?
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8:14a, 6/20/25
'Don't Lose Focus of Why You Were Elected' Gen. Michael Flynn Urges Trump and JD Vance to Stay the Course, Reject War with Iran

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/dont-lose-focus-why-you-were-elected-gen/
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In reply to Realitybites • 8:19a, 6/20/25
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Now you are reaching back 50 years for a reason to go to war with Iran today? Maybe we should attack Germany again for invading Poland while we are at it.
The Iraq war from 2003 to 2011, the support of for Hizballah, Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza, and various terrorist and militant groups in Iraq, Syria, Bahrain in the 2020's was "50 years ago"?

Is your math really this bad, or is this another one of your selective arguments?
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In general wars are bad ideas and should be avoided whenever possible. However, some wars are necessary such as WWII. Germany & Japan represented a threat to everyone. Israel is currently fighting a war of necessity. Literally every war in their modern history fits this description and it's obvious when one looks at the map and understands anything about their neighbors & history.

All that said, the problems of the Middle East do not necessitate direct US involvement. They are our ally, we share a common adversary, and we want them to succeed (well, not the antisemites but who cares what bigots think?). We certainly don't need boots on the ground to help Israel out & we don't want to get bogged down in another land war in Asia. OTOH, it definitely is in our interest for Iran to be defanged: they must never be allowed to get nukes. Again, that should be obvious.

The ideal solution is for us to provide israel with just enough aid to accomplish their goal: preventing Iran from getting nukes. To repeat, it's in everyone's interests even those who are too stupid to realize it. Iran's Persian Gulf neighbors certainly do.

While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
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In reply to historian • 8:31a, 6/20/25
historian said:
In general wars are bad ideas and should be avoided whenever possible. However, some wars are necessary such as WWII. Germany & Japan represented a threat to everyone. Israel is currently fighting a war of necessity. Literally every war in their modern history fits this description and it's obvious when one looks at the map and understands anything about their neighbors & history.

All that said, the problems of the Middle East do not necessitate direct US involvement. They are our ally, we share a common adversary, and we want them to succeed (well, not the antisemites but who cares what bigots think?). We certainly don't need boots on the ground to help Israel out & we don't want to get bogged down in another land war in Asia. OTOH, it definitely is in our interest for Iran to be defanged: they must never be allowed to get nukes. Again, that should be obvious.

The ideal solution is for us to provide israel with just enough aid to accomplish their goal: preventing Iran from getting nukes. To repeat, it's in everyone's interests even those who are too stupid to realize it. Iran's Persian Gulf neighbors certainly do.

While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
Well said. And all those throwing conniptions that Trump is going to get us into another ground war in the ME are ignoring both his words and his foreign policy history. It's just wild speculation, at this point, by the pro-Iran, pro-Putin, Woke Right crowd. They're chicken littles and drama queens getting worked up over an event that isn't going to happen.

The positives to come out of this is we now get to see who all the crazies are in the party. And we have a number of kooks, unfortunately, that support Islamic terrorist states and Russian dictators. I thought the Sam Lowry's of the world were the morally-bankrupt, outlier nutjobs, but it appears many inside MAGA share the fruitcakes' beliefs.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 8:56a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Redbrickbear said:
JXL said:
Weren't people on this very board talking about voting for Trump so he could keep us out of war?


We did

And apparently JD is still holding it down





I suspect Donald Trump Jr may also be holding down... I have really grown to love DTJR. If you follow his socials he shares a lot of the non-interventionist views that Tucker has been more vocally exposing.

If we avert this crisis I can't wait to read the book on who defeat the Israel hawks, the most formidable force in American politics while the Boomers are still around....



Yes, and our only role in an Israel-Iran war should be in helping negotiate a ceasefire and a peaceful resolution. We don't want or need any part of the fighting.
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In reply to JXL • 9:09a, 6/20/25
JXL said:
The_barBEARian said:
Redbrickbear said:
JXL said:
Weren't people on this very board talking about voting for Trump so he could keep us out of war?


We did

And apparently JD is still holding it down





I suspect Donald Trump Jr may also be holding down... I have really grown to love DTJR. If you follow his socials he shares a lot of the non-interventionist views that Tucker has been more vocally exposing.

If we avert this crisis I can't wait to read the book on who defeat the Israel hawks, the most formidable force in American politics while the Boomers are still around....



Yes, and our only role in an Israel-Iran war should be in helping negotiate a ceasefire and a peaceful resolution. We don't want or need any part of the fighting.
Usually in agreement with your well-reasoned posts, but have to disagree that should be our "only" role. First, we allow Israel to do us a solid by finishing the job of degrading Iran's nuclear capabilities, and provide assistance with protecting their cities from Iran's indiscriminate targeting of same. Then we help negotiate a ceasefire and peaceful resolution.

Getting the order on these wrong would be a massive mistake.
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In reply to historian • 9:10a, 6/20/25
historian said:
In general wars are bad ideas and should be avoided whenever possible. However, some wars are necessary such as WWII. Germany & Japan represented a threat to everyone. Israel is currently fighting a war of necessity. Literally every war in their modern history fits this description and it's obvious when one looks at the map and understands anything about their neighbors & history.

All that said, the problems of the Middle East do not necessitate direct US involvement. They are our ally, we share a common adversary, and we want them to succeed (well, not the antisemites but who cares what bigots think?). We certainly don't need boots on the ground to help Israel out & we don't want to get bogged down in another land war in Asia. OTOH, it definitely is in our interest for Iran to be defanged: they must never be allowed to get nukes. Again, that should be obvious.

The ideal solution is for us to provide Israel with just enough aid to accomplish their goal: preventing Iran from getting nukes. To repeat, it's in everyone's interests even those who are too stupid to realize it. Iran's Persian Gulf neighbors certainly do.

While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:01a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:


Per Grok:

Yes, the United States does fund a significant portion of Israel's missile defense systems, including those that could contribute to the reported $200 million+ daily operational costs mentioned in the post by Dominic Michael Tripi. Here's a breakdown based on the available data and recent context:

  • Historical Funding: Since FY 2009, the U.S. has provided Israel with $3.4 billion for missile defense programs, including $1.3 billion specifically for the Iron Dome system starting in FY 2011, according to the U.S. Department of State. Additionally, from 2011 to 2022, the U.S. contributed $2.6 billion to the Iron Dome, as noted on Wikipedia, and has co-funded the Arrow missile program with investments ranging from $2.4 to $3.6 billion, covering 50-80% of the costs.
  • Current Commitments: Under a 2019-2028 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), the U.S. allocates $500 million annually for Israel's missile defense funding, alongside $3.3 billion for other military aid, per USAFacts. This funding supports systems like Iron Dome, David's Sling, and Arrow, which are likely part of the high daily costs during active conflicts, such as the recent Iranian missile attacks reported last week.
  • Recent Context: Given the intensified operations against Iran, as noted by Brig. Gen. (res.) Re'em Aminach's estimate of $1.45 billion spent in the first 48 hours (approximately $725 million daily), the U.S. likely continues to shoulder a substantial share. While exact daily contributions aren't specified, the U.S. has historically replenished Israel's missile stockse.g., a $3.5 billion deal for interceptors in 2023and emergency aid, like the $26.4 billion package approved in April 2024, suggests ongoing support during crises.
  • Public Perception and Debate: The X thread reflects varied opinions, with users like
    @RnoHach
    • suggesting the U.S. pays "for it all," while others question the cost allocation (@DavidJamesMusic's "Cost who"). The web data confirms the U.S. as the primary financial backer, though Israel contributes annually (e.g., $65 million for Arrow) and uses its own budget for operations.
In summary, yes, the U.S. funds a significant portion of Israel's missile defense, likely covering a substantial fraction of the $200 million+ daily cost during active engagements, though the exact proportion varies with each conflict and depends on emergency appropriations. Given the current escalation, additional U.S. support is probable, aligning with longstanding policy to maintain Israel's "qualitative military edge."
To me that's good spending. I'd rather spend saving lives, than creating wars, or joining wars.

I hope negotiators are just saying out loud what Trump seems to be thinking. You can dismantle your nuclear program, or we will bomb it. It needs to be crystal clear that it's not just rhetoric. Even fanatical zealots can sometimes understand reality.

And for the record, I don't think we should get involved, except to defend Israel, and restrain Israel to a reasonable campaign against the nuclear program; basically don't support Israel if it tries for regime change.
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In reply to Porteroso • 10:17a, 6/20/25
The Israelis have already said that the survival of Iran's dictator is immaterial to them. Their goal is to destroy the nuke program. I read a quote from one official, not Netanyahu, and it was carefully worded. So take it for what it's worth.

The Israeli leaders are not stupid. They know many Americans and Arabs recognize their right to defense and applaud their taking out the nukes. They also know that regime change is a more complicated matter for everyone. To my recollection, Israel has never tried that before, not yo legitimate foreign governments.

Others have discussed regime change since the mullahs are obsessed with getting nukes (because they are obsessed with destroying Israel) so will always try again. That's an entirely different matter.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:37a, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
OsoCoreyell said:
It's really a pretty simple bit of calculus - A world where a nation that is dedicated to the destruction of the US and its allies cannot be allowed to possess a usable "ultimate" weapon. The cost of preventing it will almost certainly be better than the alternative.
Your premise is flawed because that world already exists.

We have experienced "the cost" of not preventing North Korea from producing nuclear weapons capable of striking the US and its allies.
Again, that is incorrect. There is no evidence that North Korea has a missile platform capable of launching nukes as far as the United States. As far as South Korea, maybe.
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In reply to Mothra • 10:41a, 6/20/25
Mothra said:
historian said:
In general wars are bad ideas and should be avoided whenever possible. However, some wars are necessary such as WWII. Germany & Japan represented a threat to everyone. Israel is currently fighting a war of necessity. Literally every war in their modern history fits this description and it's obvious when one looks at the map and understands anything about their neighbors & history.

All that said, the problems of the Middle East do not necessitate direct US involvement. They are our ally, we share a common adversary, and we want them to succeed (well, not the antisemites but who cares what bigots think?). We certainly don't need boots on the ground to help Israel out & we don't want to get bogged down in another land war in Asia. OTOH, it definitely is in our interest for Iran to be defanged: they must never be allowed to get nukes. Again, that should be obvious.

The ideal solution is for us to provide israel with just enough aid to accomplish their goal: preventing Iran from getting nukes. To repeat, it's in everyone's interests even those who are too stupid to realize it. Iran's Persian Gulf neighbors certainly do.

While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
Well said. And all those throwing conniptions that Trump is going to get us into another ground war in the ME are ignoring both his words and his foreign policy history. It's just wild speculation, at this point, by the pro-Iran, pro-Putin, Woke Right crowd. They're chicken littles and drama queens getting worked up over an event that isn't going to happen.

The positives to come out of this is we now get to see who all the crazies are in the party. And we have a number of kooks, unfortunately, that support Islamic terrorist states and Russian dictators. I thought the Sam Lowry's of the world were the morally-bankrupt, outlier nutjobs, but it appears many inside MAGA share the fruitcakes' beliefs.
What is insane is your trust for Trump. Yeah he hasn't gotten us into a war yet, but why trust him as far as you can throw him? How many times has he said one thing, then done another? He's actually talking about "all options are on the table." That means ground invasion, nuclear war, bunker busters... I am willing to give him credit for not getting involved in wars, but goodness, it's ok to just post on an internet forum that it's not our war, and we should not get involved.

Honestly Europe should be the ones assisting Israel in dismantling the nuclear program. Not that Israel seems to need it. So far they "estimate" they have taken out 2/3 of Iran's missile launchers, and it seems to just be a matter of time before they can strike anywhere they want.
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10:44a, 6/20/25
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The Iraq war from 2003 to 2011


Is another foreign policy disaster we never should have blundered into.
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In reply to Porteroso • 10:53a, 6/20/25
Porteroso said:
Mothra said:
historian said:
In general wars are bad ideas and should be avoided whenever possible. However, some wars are necessary such as WWII. Germany & Japan represented a threat to everyone. Israel is currently fighting a war of necessity. Literally every war in their modern history fits this description and it's obvious when one looks at the map and understands anything about their neighbors & history.

All that said, the problems of the Middle East do not necessitate direct US involvement. They are our ally, we share a common adversary, and we want them to succeed (well, not the antisemites but who cares what bigots think?). We certainly don't need boots on the ground to help Israel out & we don't want to get bogged down in another land war in Asia. OTOH, it definitely is in our interest for Iran to be defanged: they must never be allowed to get nukes. Again, that should be obvious.

The ideal solution is for us to provide israel with just enough aid to accomplish their goal: preventing Iran from getting nukes. To repeat, it's in everyone's interests even those who are too stupid to realize it. Iran's Persian Gulf neighbors certainly do.

While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
Well said. And all those throwing conniptions that Trump is going to get us into another ground war in the ME are ignoring both his words and his foreign policy history. It's just wild speculation, at this point, by the pro-Iran, pro-Putin, Woke Right crowd. They're chicken littles and drama queens getting worked up over an event that isn't going to happen.

The positives to come out of this is we now get to see who all the crazies are in the party. And we have a number of kooks, unfortunately, that support Islamic terrorist states and Russian dictators. I thought the Sam Lowry's of the world were the morally-bankrupt, outlier nutjobs, but it appears many inside MAGA share the fruitcakes' beliefs.
What is insane is your trust for Trump. Yeah he hasn't gotten us into a war yet, but why trust him as far as you can throw him? How many times has he said one thing, then done another? He's actually talking about "all options are on the table." That means ground invasion, nuclear war, bunker busters... I am willing to give him credit for not getting involved in wars, but goodness, it's ok to just post on an internet forum that it's not our war, and we should not get involved.

Honestly Europe should be the ones assisting Israel in dismantling the nuclear program. Not that Israel seems to need it. So far they "estimate" they have taken out 2/3 of Iran's missile launchers, and it seems to just be a matter of time before they can strike anywhere they want.
Mostly agree, but to be fair it would be pretty terrible game theory for Trump to commit now to what we will or will not do. Leave people guessing. He does have a history of waffling and just flat changing direction, but he typically starts by announcing some extreme position then pivots back towards the center as time goes on.
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In reply to whiterock • 11:53a, 6/20/25
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Realitybites said:
Of course it would. When strategic nuclear forces are brought to bear and ICBMS are launched, there is a some uncertainty for the observer about what their target is. A country that adheres to a launch on warning doctrine is very likely to fire back.

It also raises a considerable amount of doubt about what the next move of the aggressor nation will be.

There is also the matter of the Armenians, Georgians, and Kuwaitis being around 500 miles from your proposed ground zero.

I'm surprised at how willing you Boomercons are to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. Just a reminder that suicide bombing to advance Israeli foreign policy doesn't get you to heaven.

Here are the problem with that analysis:
1) Neither Russia nor China is going to risk nuclear exchange with the USA to defend Iran. (on any of several layers of scenario).
2) We do not need to waste ICBMs on such a mission. Air & sea based weapons would be far better suited.
3) Tactical nukes would be the weapon of choice - we're going for a very small target, not annihilation of an entire country.

Be patient…..let Israel keep up the pressure. Keep decapitating military leadership. Start decapitating civilian leadership. Destroy Iranian commercial and military shipping & warships. Freeze Iranian assets. Cut them off from foreign aid. Spare civil population as much as possible. IMessage support for regime change relentlessly.

Be patient……
Ignore fruitcakes alleging that we are going to war.

Be patient….
The mullah regime cannot endure this forever.


Be patient…..
Our military is now in position, locked & loaded. Nobody is going to "eff" with us.

Be patient.



Holy *****... you are calling me a nutjob while advocating for the use of a tactical nuke... in a war of aggression that another country (Israel) started???

Boomercons are truly the most dangerous and psychotic people on the planet...
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In reply to Mothra • 12:09p, 6/20/25
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone and my house is probably twice the size of your trailer.

I feel sorry for your sons... if my dad was a 50 year old who spent half his day online posting lies and vitriol I would be so embarrassed.

What ever happened to the concept of shame?

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In reply to The_barBEARian • 12:20p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone
LOL. Well, I guess if you no longer live in your parents' basement, the only other obvious answer was you indeed live alone.

No one outside of your parents would want to put up with you, that is for sure.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 12:21p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


What ever happened to the concept of shame?

Good question. Tell us why you have none.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 12:23p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
whiterock said:
Realitybites said:
Of course it would. When strategic nuclear forces are brought to bear and ICBMS are launched, there is a some uncertainty for the observer about what their target is. A country that adheres to a launch on warning doctrine is very likely to fire back.

It also raises a considerable amount of doubt about what the next move of the aggressor nation will be.

There is also the matter of the Armenians, Georgians, and Kuwaitis being around 500 miles from your proposed ground zero.

I'm surprised at how willing you Boomercons are to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. Just a reminder that suicide bombing to advance Israeli foreign policy doesn't get you to heaven.

Here are the problem with that analysis:
1) Neither Russia nor China is going to risk nuclear exchange with the USA to defend Iran. (on any of several layers of scenario).
2) We do not need to waste ICBMs on such a mission. Air & sea based weapons would be far better suited.
3) Tactical nukes would be the weapon of choice - we're going for a very small target, not annihilation of an entire country.

Be patient…..let Israel keep up the pressure. Keep decapitating military leadership. Start decapitating civilian leadership. Destroy Iranian commercial and military shipping & warships. Freeze Iranian assets. Cut them off from foreign aid. Spare civil population as much as possible. IMessage support for regime change relentlessly.

Be patient……
Ignore fruitcakes alleging that we are going to war.

Be patient….
The mullah regime cannot endure this forever.


Be patient…..
Our military is now in position, locked & loaded. Nobody is going to "eff" with us.

Be patient.



Holy *****... you are calling me a nutjob while advocating for the use of a tactical nuke... in a war of aggression that another country (Israel) started???



There is no chance the US would ever use nukes on behalf of Israel.

If events got that dire for Israel; they would most certainly use one of their own.
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In reply to Mothra • 12:31p, 6/20/25
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
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Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone
LOL. Well, I guess if you no longer live in your parents' basement, the only other obvious answer was you indeed live alone.

No one outside of your parents would want to put up with you, that is for sure.


I would never attack your family.

I would ask the same courtesy from you.

Thank you.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 12:43p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone
LOL. Well, I guess if you no longer live in your parents' basement, the only other obvious answer was you indeed live alone.

No one outside of your parents would want to put up with you, that is for sure.


I would never attack your family.

I would ask the same courtesy from you.

Thank you.
Nice deflection. Nobody has attacked your family. Only you.
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In reply to Mothra • 12:50p, 6/20/25
Sir, Texas is a mutual combat state.

I don't want to be the one who has to teach your sons what accountability looks like.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 1:34p, 6/20/25
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Sir, Texas is a mutual combat state.

I don't want to be the one who has to teach your sons what accountability looks like.
Was only a matter of time before the physical threats I guess. Probably best to cool down, junior. Yes, you've been completely owned, but take your lumps like a man.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 1:44p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone
LOL. Well, I guess if you no longer live in your parents' basement, the only other obvious answer was you indeed live alone.

No one outside of your parents would want to put up with you, that is for sure.


I would never attack your family.

I would ask the same courtesy from you.

Thank you.
Possibly your most reasonable post.

Remain calm and most folks will respond in kind.

Keep in mind such internet messages boards are for entertainment only.

Almost never does anyone alter another poster's opinion in the slighterst.
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In reply to KaiBear • 1:49p, 6/20/25
KaiBear said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone
LOL. Well, I guess if you no longer live in your parents' basement, the only other obvious answer was you indeed live alone.

No one outside of your parents would want to put up with you, that is for sure.


I would never attack your family.

I would ask the same courtesy from you.

Thank you.
Possibly your most reasonable post.

Remain calm and most folks will respond in kind.

Keep in mind such internet messages boards are for entertainment only.

Almost never does anyone alter another poster's opinion in the slighterst.


You are right Kai.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
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In reply to Porteroso • 2:37p, 6/20/25
Porteroso said:
The_barBEARian said:


Per Grok:

Yes, the United States does fund a significant portion of Israel's missile defense systems, including those that could contribute to the reported $200 million+ daily operational costs mentioned in the post by Dominic Michael Tripi. Here's a breakdown based on the available data and recent context:

  • Historical Funding: Since FY 2009, the U.S. has provided Israel with $3.4 billion for missile defense programs, including $1.3 billion specifically for the Iron Dome system starting in FY 2011, according to the U.S. Department of State. Additionally, from 2011 to 2022, the U.S. contributed $2.6 billion to the Iron Dome, as noted on Wikipedia, and has co-funded the Arrow missile program with investments ranging from $2.4 to $3.6 billion, covering 50-80% of the costs.
  • Current Commitments: Under a 2019-2028 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), the U.S. allocates $500 million annually for Israel's missile defense funding, alongside $3.3 billion for other military aid, per USAFacts. This funding supports systems like Iron Dome, David's Sling, and Arrow, which are likely part of the high daily costs during active conflicts, such as the recent Iranian missile attacks reported last week.
  • Recent Context: Given the intensified operations against Iran, as noted by Brig. Gen. (res.) Re'em Aminach's estimate of $1.45 billion spent in the first 48 hours (approximately $725 million daily), the U.S. likely continues to shoulder a substantial share. While exact daily contributions aren't specified, the U.S. has historically replenished Israel's missile stockse.g., a $3.5 billion deal for interceptors in 2023and emergency aid, like the $26.4 billion package approved in April 2024, suggests ongoing support during crises.
  • Public Perception and Debate: The X thread reflects varied opinions, with users like
    @RnoHach
    • suggesting the U.S. pays "for it all," while others question the cost allocation (@DavidJamesMusic's "Cost who"). The web data confirms the U.S. as the primary financial backer, though Israel contributes annually (e.g., $65 million for Arrow) and uses its own budget for operations.
In summary, yes, the U.S. funds a significant portion of Israel's missile defense, likely covering a substantial fraction of the $200 million+ daily cost during active engagements, though the exact proportion varies with each conflict and depends on emergency appropriations. Given the current escalation, additional U.S. support is probable, aligning with longstanding policy to maintain Israel's "qualitative military edge."
To me that's good spending. I'd rather spend saving lives, than creating wars, or joining wars.

I hope negotiators are just saying out loud what Trump seems to be thinking. You can dismantle your nuclear program, or we will bomb it. It needs to be crystal clear that it's not just rhetoric. Even fanatical zealots can sometimes understand reality.

And for the record, I don't think we should get involved, except to defend Israel, and restrain Israel to a reasonable campaign against the nuclear program; basically don't support Israel if it tries for regime change.

My issue is that is an astronomical amount of money that could be spent here on Americans who are struggling to survive and falling into dangerous addictions or suicide.

How many American lives here at home could that $200 million a day save if put to good use?
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In reply to historian • 2:45p, 6/20/25
historian said:
The Israelis have already said that the survival of Iran's dictator is immaterial to them. Their goal is to destroy the nuke program. I read a quote from one official, not Netanyahu, and it was carefully worded. So take it for what it's worth.

The Israeli leaders are not stupid. They know many Americans and Arabs recognize their right to defense and applaud their taking out the nukes. They also know that regime change is a more complicated matter for everyone. To my recollection, Israel has never tried that before, not yo legitimate foreign governments.

Others have discussed regime change since the mullahs are obsessed with getting nukes (because they are obsessed with destroying Israel) so will always try again. That's an entirely different matter.
[url=https://www.mediaite.com/politics/irans-supreme-leader-can-no-longer-be-allowed-to-exist-says-israeli-defense-minister/][/url]
Iran's Supreme Leader 'Can No Longer Be Allowed to Exist,' Says Israeli Defense Minister

"Khamenei openly declares that he wants Israel destroyed he personally gives the order to fire on hospitals," Katz told reporters after a hospital in Beersheba was hit by a missile. "He considers the destruction of the state of Israel to be a goal. Such a man can no longer be allowed to exist."

Israel Katz, Israeli Defense Minister
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 3:38p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
KaiBear said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone
LOL. Well, I guess if you no longer live in your parents' basement, the only other obvious answer was you indeed live alone.

No one outside of your parents would want to put up with you, that is for sure.


I would never attack your family.

I would ask the same courtesy from you.

Thank you.
Possibly your most reasonable post.

Remain calm and most folks will respond in kind.

Keep in mind such internet messages boards are for entertainment only.

Almost never does anyone alter another poster's opinion in the slighterst.


You are right Kai.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
LOL

No wisdom expressed........this is all in fun.

A free time killer between more important things.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 3:54p, 6/20/25
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Is there anyone here willing to explain your support for initiating a war with Iran when Iran has made no credible threats toward the US homeland? Please raise your Israeli flags high and explain why Americans being financial slaves to Israel isnt enough for you... we actually need to go fight their wars and die for them too.
Let's see, the last time I heard a country was weeks, days away from a nuclear weapon was in the first Trump term. I guess they're still weeks away aren't they? Iran is going to develop a nuke, plain and simple, if allowed. Just like NK. Iran hates the US every bit as much as Israel. We haven't seen terrorism in this country like what can be dished out from a nuclear Iran with proxies. A simple dirty bomb would be devastating.
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In reply to Mothra • 4:05p, 6/20/25
Mothra said:
historian said:
In general wars are bad ideas and should be avoided whenever possible. However, some wars are necessary such as WWII. Germany & Japan represented a threat to everyone. Israel is currently fighting a war of necessity. Literally every war in their modern history fits this description and it's obvious when one looks at the map and understands anything about their neighbors & history.

All that said, the problems of the Middle East do not necessitate direct US involvement. They are our ally, we share a common adversary, and we want them to succeed (well, not the antisemites but who cares what bigots think?). We certainly don't need boots on the ground to help Israel out & we don't want to get bogged down in another land war in Asia. OTOH, it definitely is in our interest for Iran to be defanged: they must never be allowed to get nukes. Again, that should be obvious.

The ideal solution is for us to provide israel with just enough aid to accomplish their goal: preventing Iran from getting nukes. To repeat, it's in everyone's interests even those who are too stupid to realize it. Iran's Persian Gulf neighbors certainly do.

While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
Well said. And all those throwing conniptions that Trump is going to get us into another ground war in the ME are ignoring both his words and his foreign policy history. It's just wild speculation, at this point, by the pro-Iran, pro-Putin, Woke Right crowd. They're chicken littles and drama queens getting worked up over an event that isn't going to happen.

The positives to come out of this is we now get to see who all the crazies are in the party. And we have a number of kooks, unfortunately, that support Islamic terrorist states and Russian dictators. I thought the Sam Lowry's of the world were the morally-bankrupt, outlier nutjobs, but it appears many inside MAGA share the fruitcakes' beliefs.
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While we can hope that this latest example of crazy Iranian adventurism will result in the downfall of the regime, we cannot make it happen and should not try. Ideally, the Iranian people will rise up and create a stable and responsible govt to replace the mullahs. History suggests that that would be exceedingly difficult and is unlikely. Those in power rarely give it up voluntarily, especially ruthless dictators. Outside forces cannot do it unless they conquer and intend to remain in place permanently. It rarely ends well.
Why not fund and assist those who are already rallying around the Crown Prince? He's already said he would serve as a transitional focal point to take Iran down the path to democracy. This is what black ops are for. Something/someone has to provide a catalyst and entity for the Iranian people rally around, in order to rise up effectively. It's not likely to happen without some outside support. The Iraq/Syrian border would make a good staging ground.
“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” ~ Upton Sinclair
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4:16p, 6/20/25
Israel Running Low On Missile Interceptors As Iran Proves A Stronger Foe Than Expected
Following multiple rounds of Iranian missile barrages that have proven far more effective than many "experts" anticipated, the Israeli Defense Forces are already running low on defensive Arrow interceptor missiles, making Israel all the more desperate for the United States to join the war Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government initiated on Friday the 13th. Meanwhile, as Iran's retaliation continues, reports of war-fatigue among Israel's population are already emerging…


… According to an individual briefed on US and Israeli intelligence, Israel is on pace to run out of defensive missiles in 10 to 12 days. "They will need to select what they want to intercept," that person told the Washington Post. "The system is already overwhelmed."


Now you know the reason behind the 1-2 week timeline.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 5:45p, 6/20/25
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:
Loomer apologizes to Tucker


Why is this obnoxious woman given any relevance?
Says the guy who idolizes MTG.

LOL.

I dont idolize her.

But I respect her.

It takes a lot of bravery to as a sitting congress person, esp a Republican sitting congress person, to stand up to Israel Lobby and Military Industrial Complex and oppose war.
Call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is you likewise support a nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing pariah and loon who is so stupid she believes in Jewish space lasers. You're the last person who should be casting aspersions at Loomer.



Wanting diplomacy makes one "nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, pariah, and loon" ?

Sir, how are you 50 years old and this foolish?

So, one tweet is evidence that a person with a long history of nutty, obnoxious, self-aggrandizing behavior isn't nutty, obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.

LOL. You have the reasoning abilities of a 6th grader. I have an 8th grader who would run circles around you. How can you be in your thirties, still living with mom and dad, and still be this big a dolt?


Sir, I live alone and my house is probably twice the size of your trailer.

I feel sorry for your sons... if my dad was a 50 year old who spent half his day online posting lies and vitriol I would be so embarrassed.

What ever happened to the concept of shame?

so, you don't have a roommate in your BU dorm. Lucky you.
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why is it we are using our missiles, carrier and planes to shoot down Iranian missiles headed for Izzy? Shouldn't Trumpy Bear ask for them to pay us back.?
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