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One analysis of Friday night's events.

"6 MOPs reportedly dropped on Fordow. The GBU-57A/B relies on mass, not firepower, 30,000 lbs of tungsten, delayed fuses, inertial guidance, and geological stress sequencing.
But Fordow was built for this.
Its design assumes MOP logic: curved tunnels, offset caverns, anti-penetration strata, layered redundancy across ventilation, C2, and IR-6 centrifuge chambers.
A single hit collapses nothing. 2 breach a tunnel mouth.
To truly destroy the core, you'd need tight sequencing, vector convergence, telemetry confirmation, and real-time damage layering.
That didn't happen, at best, they sealed an entrance.
Iran reports no core disruption, no enrichment halt, and no internal collapse.

To drop 6 MOPs means either 3 B-2s in simultaneous action or 2 conducting multiple flyovers, deep in contested airspace, without strike escort, in one of the most monitored radar corridors on earth.
If Fordow was gone, you'd see craters, electromagnetic rupture, emergency airlifts, seismographs lighting up, and IR flares beneath the mountain.
Instead, we got a tweet from an account run out of Northern Israel, yelling "Fordow is gone," while hawking Gaza's Most Wanted trading cards.

Tomahawks on Natanz and Esfahan add nothing. Cruise missiles are subsonic, non-penetrative, and designed for surface-level disruption.
You don't decapitate nuclear infrastructure with Block IVs. You flick switches. You scorch perimeters. You stage headlines.
A thousand-pound warhead doesn't cut into fuel halls or disrupt cascade chambers beneath 20 meters of hardened casing.
This was a signal to domestic media cycles and Tel Aviv psyops operators.

As of now, there is no SAR confirmation.
No crater clustering.
No multispectral flash analysis.
No underground fire signature.
No BDA loop.
If Fordow still spins tomorrow, Washington just pulled off the most expensive influence op in bunker-busting history, only to watch Tehran climb the escalation ladder unscathed."

I don't put much importance in the observation that B2s were flying without fighter escort. The ordnance related observations I can't say one way or the other.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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3/3 so far, looking at 4/4 as soon as we hear those centrifuges are up and running.

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Let's here how Trump was right to get us in a war, right? It is Donald after all. He has to be right. Let the backtracking and justification begin.

Let's face it, you guys are just part of the cult. No new wars? Bring all our troops home. Anti-war President... Yeah. How much is he making on this, Trump benefits on everything he does.

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News flash: if bombings & killings = war, the war started in 1980. Trump just gave us a chance to end it.

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Right on cue... So now we are defining whT war is? Geez, just come out and say it Trump cannot do anything that isn't allowable. No matter what he said to get her elected, no matter what you guys said about Biden or really anything.

He just got the US involved in the Israeli/Iranian war. What happened to no new wars?

He is just like every other person that sits in that seat, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clnton, Bush and Reagan. Only thing is that his base would approve anything he does.

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Bush is way worse than anyone on that list. The moron is responsible for 40K Americans casualties in Iraq and another 25K in Afghanistan.

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Let's here how Trump was right to get us in a war, right? It is Donald after all. He has to be right. Let the backtracking and justification begin.

Let's face it, you guys are just part of the cult. No new wars? Bring all our troops home. Anti-war President... Yeah. How much is he making on this, Trump benefits on everything he does.

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A country that has been killing US civilians, diplomats and military personnel for decades……screaming death to America throughout their attacks…..came within weeks of developing hydrogen bombs .


If Trump had done nothing; history would have remembered him as the most irresponsible world leader since Chamberlain

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I have no problem with what we did.

I do have a problem with us helping Ukraine defend itself made me a NeoCon globalist, but for Trump and MAGA anything they do is justified.


Trump is just as much a NeoCon Globalist as any of them, with a more Nationalistic flair... He is spending at levels that this Board would go nuts on Biden or Obama. He has now bombed Iran, after criticizing Biden to no end over Ukraine. His tariffs are ending up just being an opening gambit for more trade with China. He has moved the US into crypto, which makes the 2007 housing market look stable.

Yet, anything his is doing is cheered by the same people that crucified others for similar actions. I have no problem with any of it, I just want people to be consistent. (not you , in general)

Or more importantly, honest with themselves. It is not Trump's policies, they like him. Proof is in the budget and in the bombs.

I do like Homan and Hegseth. Petey is doing a good job. Tip of the cap to both.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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3/3 so far, looking at 4/4 as soon as we hear those centrifuges are up and running.

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Don't forget Japan being justified in bombing Pearl Harbor, the U.S. being wrong for striking Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Russia fighting its just war against Ukraine.

Sam once said we have never been justified using force against another country, other than the war of 1812. It's only a justified use of force if it's a despot committing it.

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Of course they are going to say something like this...but what can they actually pull off

#BREAKING: An Iranian Supreme Leader rep just issued a chilling statement:

“It is now our turn to act without delay. As a first step, we must launch a missile strike on the U.S. naval fleet in Bahrain and simultaneously close the Strait of Hormuz to American, British, German,…

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) June 22, 2025

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No one is "going to war". Iran will launch some drones and missiles at US bases, likely the ones in Iraq. Most will get shot down. Their old Santa Claus looking leader will do some more saber rattling, and this will eventually simmer down. Iran does not have an endless supply of drones and missiles. They've sold a lot of of them to Putin

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The U.S. must await severe punishment… we will target all American interests in the Middle East.

— Iran's Reply (@IranReply) June 22, 2025

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X rando clearly has the pulse of what's going on… Or maybe you are hoping this happens.

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No. I'm hoping you step onto the street and get hit by a bus.

I think all you geriatric 50+ Boomercons are psychotic, impulsive and a huge liability...

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Now our resident Jew hater is wishing death on others.

What a miserable POS you are. God help your parents.

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But you dont want me to die, right?

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Depends. Have you strapped a bomb to your chest, and are taking orders from a Mullah on where to blow up Americans, Israelis or maybe a schoolyard of children?

Your last several posts indicate that may be a possibility, so I had to ask.

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Hey, at least you are honest about wanting me to die for not supporting Israel's Middle East wars.

You are sick and evil... but honest.

You share a lot in common with the radical Islamists.

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You are still lying, I see.

First about Trump's campaign promises (hint the main one was securing the border and the second was trade, but you knew that), and now pretending that I want you to die when I said nothing of the kind.

I simply questioned your motive, as your apparent desire is to hurt Americans and their allies.

I notice you did not deny such a desire.

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I want to hurt Americans?

Who is lying now?

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I asked your intentions. All you have done in reply is lie about what I said and duck the question.

I get it, your buddies in Teheran are having a bad day, but if you don't hate Americans, it should be easy enough for you to admit it's a good thing Iran's program is in much worse shape than this morning.

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I guess its hard to celebrate that we will probably now see dead American soldiers all bcs Iran wanted to keep a civilian nuclear program.

There was absolutely no need to involve our military in this.

Israel could have ended Iran's civil nuclear program without us.

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In theory, I wish that Israel would have actually dropped the bunker buster bombs instead of U.S. bombers.

I don't think Iran will escalate. It will be the shortest war in history.

You still never answered my question. Why do you hate people 50 years and older? I wish you would at least attempt to explain. I will certainly never apologize for for being over 50 and for being white. I really had no say in either circumstance.

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Its just a fact that the loudest voices supporting these never-ending wars are always Boomers or Gen Xers.

I'm tired of the Federal government focusing on stupid **** and not improving quality of life and reducing cost of living.

Just yesterday Trump was talking about selling Federal land to build more housing.... How about we keep our national parks and deport illegals and stop giving half of India H1B visas?

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Thank you for your response. Methinks your generalizations are way off the mark. I do not support never ending wars, My Gen X wife does not either. I am strongly opposed to turning pristine federal land into federal housing projects. This Boomer is very angry about where my tax dollars are going. What is happening now is totally unacceptable. We need to lift up the lower and middle class of U.S. citizens. I am all in. I don't know enough about India H1B visas to comment.

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1) I dont like my country being dragged into war by Israel. The war on Iran was conceptualized not in the White House or at the Pentagon but in Tel Aviv.

2) I think Trump looks incredibly weak and perfidious when he uses peace as a facade to lower Iran's guard so he can stab in the back. He told them two weeks and he attacks them two days later. It is dishonorable and makes us look like a nation of scumbag charlatans.

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boognish_bear said:

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Of course they are going to say something like this...but what can they actually pull off

#BREAKING: An Iranian Supreme Leader rep just issued a chilling statement:

“It is now our turn to act without delay. As a first step, we must launch a missile strike on the U.S. naval fleet in Bahrain and simultaneously close the Strait of Hormuz to American, British, German,…

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) June 22, 2025

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Mark Levin was at the White House today, lobbying for war with Iran. To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war. He’s demanding that American troops do it. We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, he and likeminded ideologues in Washington are…

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) June 5, 2025

Is there anyone here willing to explain your support for initiating a war with Iran when Iran has made no credible threats toward the US homeland? Please raise your Israeli flags high and explain why Americans being financial slaves to Israel isnt enough for you... we actually need to go fight their wars and die for them too.

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Let's see, the last time I heard a country was weeks, days away from a nuclear weapon was in the first Trump term. I guess they're still weeks away aren't they? Iran is going to develop a nuke, plain and simple, if allowed. Just like NK. Iran hates the US every bit as much as Israel. We haven't seen terrorism in this country like what can be dished out from a nuclear Iran with proxies. A simple dirty bomb would be devastating.

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I don't really care if it's weeks away, months away or years away.... no Islamic nation should ever be allowed to have any kind of nuclear program.
Muslims cannot be trusted with such technology.
They have always been violent, rapists & aggressors. They must be kept in check.
If there is even the possibility of a nuclear program, it's justification to start bombing them into oblivion.

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But we're not a xenophobic rogue nation acting with complete disregard for international law or anything...no, not us.

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Right, but sometimes international law is irrelevant. Iran doesn't consider or adhere to international law, and international law has no effective recourse or remedy against a xenophobic rogue nation acting with complete disregard for international law. There is a time and place for preemption. The problem is there is no adequate way to enforce international law, and consequently there is no real deterrence to a rogue nation with no regard.

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Yes. One problem with international law is that it is not really law. Once someone begins to invoke it to leverage their policy positions, it tells you about all you need to know.

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That's what we say when we know we're violating it. Otherwise we invoke it constantly.

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Let's here how Trump was right to get us in a war, right? It is Donald after all. He has to be right. Let the backtracking and justification begin.

Let's face it, you guys are just part of the cult. No new wars? Bring all our troops home. Anti-war President... Yeah. How much is he making on this, Trump benefits on everything he does.

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News flash: if bombings & killings = war, the war started in 1980. Trump just gave us a chance to end it.

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Right on cue... So now we are defining whT war is? Geez, just come out and say it Trump cannot do anything that isn't allowable. No matter what he said to get her elected, no matter what you guys said about Biden or really anything.

He just got the US involved in the Israeli/Iranian war. What happened to no new wars?

He is just like every other person that sits in that seat, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clnton, Bush and Reagan. Only thing is that his base would approve anything he does.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mark Levin was at the White House today, lobbying for war with Iran. To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war. He’s demanding that American troops do it. We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, he and likeminded ideologues in Washington are…

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) June 5, 2025

Is there anyone here willing to explain your support for initiating a war with Iran when Iran has made no credible threats toward the US homeland? Please raise your Israeli flags high and explain why Americans being financial slaves to Israel isnt enough for you... we actually need to go fight their wars and die for them too.

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Let's see, the last time I heard a country was weeks, days away from a nuclear weapon was in the first Trump term. I guess they're still weeks away aren't they? Iran is going to develop a nuke, plain and simple, if allowed. Just like NK. Iran hates the US every bit as much as Israel. We haven't seen terrorism in this country like what can be dished out from a nuclear Iran with proxies. A simple dirty bomb would be devastating.

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I don't really care if it's weeks away, months away or years away.... no Islamic nation should ever be allowed to have any kind of nuclear program.
Muslims cannot be trusted with such technology.
They have always been violent, rapists & aggressors. They must be kept in check.
If there is even the possibility of a nuclear program, it's justification to start bombing them into oblivion.

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But we're not a xenophobic rogue nation acting with complete disregard for international law or anything...no, not us.

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Right, but sometimes international law is irrelevant. Iran doesn't consider or adhere to international law, and international law has no effective recourse or remedy against a xenophobic rogue nation acting with complete disregard for international law. There is a time and place for preemption. The problem is there is no adequate way to enforce international law, and consequently there is no real deterrence to a rogue nation with no regard.

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Yes. One problem with international law is that it is not really law. Once someone begins to invoke it to leverage their policy positions, it tells you about all you need to know.

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That's what we say when we know we're violating it. Otherwise we invoke it constantly.

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You got a mouse on your pocket?

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No one is "going to war". Iran will launch some drones and missiles at US bases, likely the ones in Iraq. Most will get shot down. Their old Santa Claus looking leader will do some more saber rattling, and this will eventually simmer down. Iran does not have an endless supply of drones and missiles. They've sold a lot of of them to Putin

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The U.S. must await severe punishment… we will target all American interests in the Middle East.

— Iran's Reply (@IranReply) June 22, 2025

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X rando clearly has the pulse of what's going on… Or maybe you are hoping this happens.

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No. I'm hoping you step onto the street and get hit by a bus.

I think all you geriatric 50+ Boomercons are psychotic, impulsive and a huge liability...

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Now our resident Jew hater is wishing death on others.

What a miserable POS you are. God help your parents.

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But you dont want me to die, right?

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Depends. Have you strapped a bomb to your chest, and are taking orders from a Mullah on where to blow up Americans, Israelis or maybe a schoolyard of children?

Your last several posts indicate that may be a possibility, so I had to ask.

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Hey, at least you are honest about wanting me to die for not supporting Israel's Middle East wars.

You are sick and evil... but honest.

You share a lot in common with the radical Islamists.

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You are still lying, I see.

First about Trump's campaign promises (hint the main one was securing the border and the second was trade, but you knew that), and now pretending that I want you to die when I said nothing of the kind.

I simply questioned your motive, as your apparent desire is to hurt Americans and their allies.

I notice you did not deny such a desire.

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I want to hurt Americans?

Who is lying now?

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I asked your intentions. All you have done in reply is lie about what I said and duck the question.

I get it, your buddies in Teheran are having a bad day, but if you don't hate Americans, it should be easy enough for you to admit it's a good thing Iran's program is in much worse shape than this morning.

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I guess its hard to celebrate that we will probably now see dead American soldiers all bcs Iran wanted to keep a civilian nuclear program.

There was absolutely no need to involve our military in this.

Israel could have ended Iran's civil nuclear program without us.

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In theory, I wish that Israel would have actually dropped the bunker buster bombs instead of U.S. bombers.

I don't think Iran will escalate. It will be the shortest war in history.

You still never answered my question. Why do you hate people 50 years and older? I wish you would at least attempt to explain. I will certainly never apologize for for being over 50 and for being white. I really had no say in either circumstance.

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Its just a fact that the loudest voices supporting these never-ending wars are always Boomers or Gen Xers.

I'm tired of the Federal government focusing on stupid **** and not improving quality of life and reducing cost of living.

Just yesterday Trump was talking about selling Federal land to build more housing.... How about we keep our national parks and deport illegals and stop giving half of India H1B visas?

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Thank you for your response. Methinks your generalizations are way off the mark. I do not support never ending wars, My Gen X wife does not either. I am strongly opposed to turning pristine federal land into federal housing projects. This Boomer is very angry about where my tax dollars are going. What is happening now is totally unacceptable. We need to lift up the lower and middle class of U.S. citizens. I am all in. I don't know enough about India H1B visas to comment.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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George HW Bush. Crashed economy. War in Iraq.
George W. Bush. Crashed Economy. War in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Donald Trump. You can complete the sentence.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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George HW Bush. Crashed economy. War in Iraq.
George W. Bush. Crashed Economy. War in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Donald Trump. You can complete the sentence.

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No, we have been at war with Iran since 1980, this doesn't count...

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JUST IN: 🇮🇷 Iranian parliament approves closure of Hormuz Strait, blocking access to oil routes. pic.twitter.com/YvOCXuTEhy

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) June 22, 2025

Why didn’t you call us back from vacation to vote on military action if there was a serious threat to our country? https://t.co/vi9sTvG56L

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 22, 2025

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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3/3 so far, looking at 4/4 as soon as we hear those centrifuges are up and running.

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Don't forget Japan being justified in bombing Pearl Harbor, the U.S. being wrong for striking Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Russia fighting its just war against Ukraine.

Sam once said we have never been justified using force against another country, other than the war of 1812. It's only a justified use of force if it's a despot committing it.

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Your reading comprehension has gotten worse over time. This might be a bit concerning, especially for a guy your age.

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BREAKING:

Russia officially condemns the U.S. for striking Iran:

“The irresponsible decision to subject the territory of a sovereign state to missile and bomb attacks, whatever the arguments it may be presented with, flagrantly violates international law” pic.twitter.com/HIKrqEZgB6

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) June 22, 2025

BREAKING: Major U.S. cities on high alert following airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, per Fox.

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 22, 2025

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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3/3 so far, looking at 4/4 as soon as we hear those centrifuges are up and running.

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Don't forget Japan being justified in bombing Pearl Harbor, the U.S. being wrong for striking Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Russia fighting its just war against Ukraine.

Sam once said we have never been justified using force against another country, other than the war of 1812. It's only a justified use of force if it's a despot committing it.

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Your reading comprehension has gotten worse over time. This might be a bit concerning, especially for a guy your age.

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As always, feel free to correct my error.

As always, you won't of course because we both know I'm right.

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🚨MUST WATCH: Dan "Razin" Caine just gave the most detailed description of last nights attack. It has been named "Operation Midnight Hammer."

America completed something under the cover of darkness and NO ONE saw it coming.

There wasn't a SINGLE shot fired at our men on the way… pic.twitter.com/ycZMpDN0IW

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) June 22, 2025

Most military strikes ordered by U.S. presidents have been done without prior Congressional approval. She either doesn’t know this, or does know it and hopes nobody will remember so she can score a cheap political point. https://t.co/yW84jetPfe

— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) June 22, 2025

Shut up you pathetic little hypocrite.

YOU fully supported our military and IC running the proxy war against Russia in Ukraine.

And you VOTED to fund the Ukraine war under your President with dementia.

You don’t get to play anti-war and moral outrage anymore. https://t.co/v1xor2ARpa

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 22, 2025

JD Vance: US is not at war with Iran

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 22, 2025

Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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George HW Bush. Crashed economy. War in Iraq.
George W. Bush. Crashed Economy. War in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Donald Trump. You can complete the sentence.

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No, we have been at war with Iran since 1980, this doesn't count...

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1) We haven't been and 2) 45 tore up the off ramp in 2018.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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Sunni Islam has been responsible for more US deaths over the past 20 years than Iran, starting with the 3000+ killed by Saudi Arabians on 9/11.

What my plan is? Tell the world unequivocally that we will not be attacking Iran at this time and get both parties back to the negotiating table along with Russian, Chinese, and Arab league negotiators to see what can be done. Sort of like what was going on before Israel unilaterally pearl harbored them.

Netanyahu's appetite for war will diminish dramatically should he realize that in ten days when Israel runs out of interceptors that we aren't giving him our credit card for that 200 million a day bill.

You start from the rational premise that no country's leadership want the gravy train to end, and you quickly realize that regime change operations run the greatest risk of sparking irrational action by any country.

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The problem is Russia, China, and Iran, aren't interested is seriously negotiating a nuclear deal. Their goal is for a nuclear armed Iran, full stop. That's why we're where we are today. Iran has never abandoned its goal for a nuclear weapon. Continued negotiations guarantees they'll reach there goal.

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Yup.

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Which is why regime change is the only practical option. There is no practical solution that does not involve a new regime willing to adopt a policy of abandoning nukes and seeking more constructive foreign policy toward western interests.

Iran has always been the most vulnerable of the 4 Axis powers. Keep up the pressure. Then escalate.

Trying to eliminate 28k ballistic missiles is not practical. Eliminate the leadership that controls them. Then deal with the new regime. Nato is more than tacitly on board for much a policy. THEY are actually under the umbrella of Iranian missiles. Nato aircraft (more than just ours) have been supporting Israel directly (not over Iranian airspace). Turkey has a border with Iran. Azerbaijan has a border with Iran (as well as a close relationship with both Israel and Turkey). And we have assets on the ground in Iraqi Kurdistan. There are substantial Azeri, Turk, and Kurds (and several more) minorities in Northern Iran. So you can take it to the bank that money, arms, ammo, trainers, etc….are on the ground
Right now (and have been for weeks) to destabilize and foment mischief inside Iran.

No invasion required. Make Iran ungovernable. Deal with a new government.

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The government is more likely to collapse in Israel as a result of this than Iran.

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Do you say stupid stuff just for exercise?

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He's done it for years. He's batting less than .100 in his predictions.

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I'll admit I was embarrassed when Bush found WMD in Iraq, we defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Ukraine smashed through Russian lines and retook Crimea. Other than that I've done pretty well.

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LOL erected three T-balls and only managed to bat .500

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3/3 so far, looking at 4/4 as soon as we hear those centrifuges are up and running.

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Don't forget Japan being justified in bombing Pearl Harbor, the U.S. being wrong for striking Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Russia fighting its just war against Ukraine.

Sam once said we have never been justified using force against another country, other than the war of 1812. It's only a justified use of force if it's a despot committing it.

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Your reading comprehension has gotten worse over time. This might be a bit concerning, especially for a guy your age.

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As always, feel free to correct my error.

As always, you won't of course because we both know I'm right.

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Been there, done that.

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