BREAKING: 🇮🇷🇶🇦 Iran launched 6 missiles towards US bases in Qatar. pic.twitter.com/wL6x3MAmsa
— Remarks (@remarks) June 23, 2025
War with Iran?
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BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) June 23, 2025
Six supertankers carrying crude oil have performed U-turns in the Strait of Hormuz over the past day — Telegraph
BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) June 23, 2025
Massive Israeli airstrikes against Tehran are estimated to have killed hundreds of IRGC members.
The headquarters of the IRGC’s Basij militia were also struck.
They are a paramilitary volunteer militia used to quell uprisings and riots. pic.twitter.com/2S4vI7uyaU
Agree with all of that.historian said:FLBear5630 said:Would you have been ok with Biden bombing Iran? You weren't with providing weapons to Ukraine, that was pushing WW3. And this isn't?TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Yep, I mean we have Trump's first term. Peace. And we have him this term where he tried to pursue peace for other wars. He avoided Ukraine. But for the drama queens, there can be no excuse great enough, or any benefit of the doubt. Just arm chair quarterbacks who believe it's OK if Iran makes nukes or other WMDs.
The ONLY example I can think of Pres Obama doing something, literally anything, that was in America's interest was when he took out the Somali pirates. The metrosexual wimp actually showed real leadership & did something decisive. It was good for America and for the world. And the Somali pirates were no longer a threat.
Heck, Hollywood even made a movie about it starring Tom Hanks.
If Biden, or his auto pen, had done something similar, I would have been pleased. But Biden (his auto pen) did not do a single thing that benefitted the country, not that I can recall.
The inconsistency between message and actions are what set me off.
Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
Will AIPAC send flowers to the victims familes?
BREAKING: US jets scrambling over Saudi Arabia.
— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) June 23, 2025
ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
BREAKING: President Trump tells the US Department of Energy "Drill, baby, drill. And I mean now."
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 23, 2025
Don't forget, Trump's plan since day 1 has been lower inflation through lower oil prices. pic.twitter.com/I9bVCID890
I don't think it's because of anything we did. That's not the argument.Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
The argument for our attempts at regime change was nation building and a complete change to the region which should exclude this behavior. That didn't take place.
Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
boognish_bear said:BREAKING: President Trump tells the US Department of Energy "Drill, baby, drill. And I mean now."
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 23, 2025
Don't forget, Trump's plan since day 1 has been lower inflation through lower oil prices. pic.twitter.com/I9bVCID890
I think Trump's biggest fear is having his picture stuck on gas pumps saying "I did that!"
Doc Holliday said:I don't think it's because of anything we did. That's not the argument.Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
The argument for our attempts at regime change was nation building and a complete change to the region which should exclude this behavior. That didn't take place.
Iraq War destabilized Syria.
Assad protected the Syrian Christians.
Under the new ISIS guy, expect the number of Syrian Christians to trend towards zero
The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
I'd say the missile strikes were Iranians saving face. It gives Trump an opening to be magnanimous and say the U.S. isn't going to retaliate in order to give a chance for deescalation/peace. He can put a deadline on it. Carefully orchestrated gunboat diplomacy.
You quoted a tweet that directly attributed the terrorist act in Syria to US regime change in Syria. That did not happen.Doc Holliday said:I don't think it's because of anything we did. That's not the argument.Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
The argument for our attempts at regime change was nation building and a complete change to the region which should exclude this behavior. That didn't take place.
FTR, I agree we shouldn't be engaged in regime change in the ME. Let's the savages choose their own authoritarians and despots to lord over them.
Yup. Just like when he killed Soleimani.ATL Bear said:
I'd say the missile strikes were Iranians saving face. It gives Trump an opening to be magnanimous and say the U.S. isn't going to retaliate in order to give a chance for deescalation/peace. He can put a deadline on it. Carefully orchestrated gunboat diplomacy.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
Mothra said:You quoted a tweet that directly attributed the terrorist act in Syria to US regime change in Syria. That did not happen.Doc Holliday said:I don't think it's because of anything we did. That's not the argument.Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
The argument for our attempts at regime change was nation building and a complete change to the region which should exclude this behavior. That didn't take place.
FTR, I agree we shouldn't be engaged in regime change in the ME. Let's the savages choose their own authoritarians and despots to lord over them.
US intervention in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Do you even read what you've linked? The US hasn't provided any support to the Syrian opposition since 2017. Trump ended same when he took office. The brutal Al-Assad regime had long been the target of opposition forces before any US military support for the Kurds, whom he was slaughtering. The regime that took charge last year wasn't supported by the US, militarily or financially.The_barBEARian said:Mothra said:You quoted a tweet that directly attributed the terrorist act in Syria to US regime change in Syria. That did not happen.Doc Holliday said:I don't think it's because of anything we did. That's not the argument.Mothra said:ME has been an unstable powder keg for years. The idea that there was a suicide attack in Syria because of anything the US did is pretty preposterous. We didn't even support the regime currently in place there.Doc Holliday said:Great to see stability achieved in Syria after another US-backed regime change in the Middle East. Freedom and democracy flourishing. https://t.co/GTuyRBZmKb
— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) June 23, 2025
The argument for our attempts at regime change was nation building and a complete change to the region which should exclude this behavior. That didn't take place.
FTR, I agree we shouldn't be engaged in regime change in the ME. Let's the savages choose their own authoritarians and despots to lord over them.
US intervention in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
Again, the idea that US regime change actions in Syria were responsible for the terrorist attack is just hogwash supporting a baseless narrative.
ATL Bear said:
I'd say the missile strikes were Iranians saving face. It gives Trump an opening to be magnanimous and say the U.S. isn't going to retaliate in order to give a chance for deescalation/peace. He can put a deadline on it. Carefully orchestrated gunboat diplomacy.
I noticed that it's being reported that Qutar shot down the missiles.
No harm
No foul
Back in the peace making business will be the talking points if this is the end of US involvement.
The Ones being called "woke right" will need to find a way to save face. Probably something like Trump spoke to congressional leaders within the required 48 hours where our concerns were made known.
Heaven forbid a democrat ever step out of line publicly.
Rs not all shouting a company line at least tells me there is some debate going on and not a strong arm party leader like Obama was for so long.
Please don't post fake news. I'm sure you knew what you were posting was bs, but not everyone is so intelligent.LIB,MR BEARS said:Anybody remember this .. 🤔 pic.twitter.com/22hBdjw0LB
— PatPet1776 🇺🇸 (@PatPetterson2) June 22, 2025
I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
Don't laugh, Predictive Analytics is a thing. The more AI we see the more you will see predictive analytics used.Sam Lowry said:We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
To all the World War 3 callers:
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 23, 2025
The entire market is betting strongly against you.
Oil prices now back below $70/barrel and the S&P 500 is 2% away from a record high.
Ignore noise, follow price. pic.twitter.com/aVowsZ0K2K
If it even got a sniff of training from reading what Trump said he'd do v what he did, it's a very broken model of intention.Sam Lowry said:We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:Things change. New information comes to light.FLBear5630 said:Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...GrowlTowel said:Have you not followed politics very long?FLBear5630 said:We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
Everyone knows the 6 missiles were just posturing.boognish_bear said:To all the World War 3 callers:
— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 23, 2025
The entire market is betting strongly against you.
Oil prices now back below $70/barrel and the S&P 500 is 2% away from a record high.
Ignore noise, follow price. pic.twitter.com/aVowsZ0K2K
The sleeper cell in America thing is what will spook people. You have to think whatever they are planning could take years.
I am very much hoping it marks an opportunity to end the escalated hostilities, and for more reasons than world peace. As I posted in the bear cave, I'm scheduled to take the family to Dubai and then Maldives with a stop in Qatar on the way home. We depart Sunday. Great timing…lolLIB,MR BEARS said:ATL Bear said:
I'd say the missile strikes were Iranians saving face. It gives Trump an opening to be magnanimous and say the U.S. isn't going to retaliate in order to give a chance for deescalation/peace. He can put a deadline on it. Carefully orchestrated gunboat diplomacy.
I noticed that it's being reported that Qutar shot down the missiles.
No harm
No foul
Back in the peace making business will be the talking points if this is the end of US involvement.
The Ones being called "woke right" will need to find a way to save face. Probably something like Trump spoke to congressional leaders within the required 48 hours where our concerns were made known.
Heaven forbid a democrat ever step out of line publicly.
Rs not all shouting a company line at least tells me there is some debate going on and not a strong arm party leader like Obama was for so long.
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The sleeper cell in America thing is what will spook people. You have to think whatever they are planning could take years.
My concern is a simultaneous decentralized attack on large segments of the power grid. Not the "EMP" that everyone is worried about, but equally damaging given the inability to get spares.
Attacks and suspicious activity at U.S. power stations reached a decade-long high last year, with more than 100 reported incidents in the first eight months of 2022, according to a TIME review of the Department of Energy's most recent data, which runs through August. Since then, there have been at least 18 more publicly reported attacks or potential attacks on substations and power plants in Florida, North Carolina, Oregon, South Carolina, and Washington.
The tally includes at least half a dozen at Duke Energy facilities in Florida and at least six others on electrical substations in the Pacific Northwest in November and December. In one attack on Thanksgiving, two intruders cut through the fencing around a substation in Clackamas County, Ore., and "used firearms to shoot up and disable numerous pieces of equipment and cause significant damage," according to an incident report. And in the most high-profile incident, intruders breached the gates and opened fire on two Duke Energy substations in Moore County, N.C., in early December, damaging equipment in what local authorities called a "targeted" attack that cut off the power for more than 45,000 people.
The previous administration was trying to blame all this on "domestic extremists". Nothing to see here, according to the wokesters. Jolani's ISIS and Al-Qaeda buddies would be more than happy to do that sort of a thing.
FLBear5630 said:Don't laugh, Predictive Analytics is a thing. The more AI we see the more you will see predictive analytics used.Sam Lowry said:We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
Predictive analytics has been a thing for a decent amount of time now and it's incredibly good at what it does. The best predictive analytics in the world resides in your credit card company of choice.
I worked on some modeling back in like 08-09 for our CC division that was amazing and brought HUGE profits and it was really just the tip of the iceberg.
Target was accurately predicting pregnancy BEFORE people
knew they were pregnant by item purchases, MC was able to predict divorce to a high degree of accuracy, the fraud department at ALL of them can predict fraud almost instantly.
Read SuperCrunchers by Ian Ayers from 2007 which talks about using predictive models to help stem the tide of poor hygiene at a hospital network that saved lives or trying to predict horse races, etc. Excellent read.
We are using them in traffic analysis for safety. They are good for some things others, not so much yet. I have yet to see one do a credible job on sporting events or races.nein51 said:FLBear5630 said:Don't laugh, Predictive Analytics is a thing. The more AI we see the more you will see predictive analytics used.Sam Lowry said:We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
Predictive analytics has been a thing for a decent amount of time now and it's incredibly good at what it does. The best predictive analytics in the world resides in your credit card company of choice.
I worked on some modeling back in like 08-09 for our CC division that was amazing and brought HUGE profits and it was really just the tip of the iceberg.
Target was accurately predicting pregnancy BEFORE people
knew they were pregnant by item purchases, MC was able to predict divorce to a high degree of accuracy, the fraud department at ALL of them can predict fraud almost instantly.
Read SuperCrunchers by Ian Ayers from 2007 which talks about using predictive models to help stem the tide of poor hygiene at a hospital network that saved lives or trying to predict horse races, etc. Excellent read.
We wouldn't have Tesla's (and others) self driving cars without advanced AI predictive analytics.nein51 said:FLBear5630 said:Don't laugh, Predictive Analytics is a thing. The more AI we see the more you will see predictive analytics used.Sam Lowry said:We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
Predictive analytics has been a thing for a decent amount of time now and it's incredibly good at what it does. The best predictive analytics in the world resides in your credit card company of choice.
I worked on some modeling back in like 08-09 for our CC division that was amazing and brought HUGE profits and it was really just the tip of the iceberg.
Target was accurately predicting pregnancy BEFORE people
knew they were pregnant by item purchases, MC was able to predict divorce to a high degree of accuracy, the fraud department at ALL of them can predict fraud almost instantly.
Read SuperCrunchers by Ian Ayers from 2007 which talks about using predictive models to help stem the tide of poor hygiene at a hospital network that saved lives or trying to predict horse races, etc. Excellent read.
They still having problems with left turns? joke was how does a Tesla make a left, 3 rights...ATL Bear said:We wouldn't have Tesla's (and others) self driving cars without advanced AI predictive analytics.nein51 said:FLBear5630 said:Don't laugh, Predictive Analytics is a thing. The more AI we see the more you will see predictive analytics used.Sam Lowry said:We had an AI that the Israelis claim can monitor intentions. A predictive model, in other words. Has to be one of the stupidest things ever.Porteroso said:I think we do actually know. Iranian air defenses have been so weakened by Israel, and their ability to retaliate through proxy so degraded, that this was likely the best opportunity to fly the B-52s over Iranian airspace we will ever have. It's as simple as that.GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:FLBear5630 said:GrowlTowel said:
I am not sure what all the fuss was about. The whole thing from beginning to end was a mostly peaceful bombing run.
We will wait until tomorrow for them to tell us what to think. Whatever it is, it will be pro-Donald.
The propaganda and attacks against those that disagree with this Administration is unreal.
Massey is now out of MAGA.
Have you not followed politics very long?
Yeah, my comments are for the MAGA crowd. You know the ones doing the gymnastics to make this fit the Trump is different narrative. You know, no foreign wars, cut annual spending, lower deficit, etc...
Things change. New information comes to light.
Perhaps Trump straight up lied to everyone about no new wars. Or, perhaps something bad was going to happen if he didn't act against Iran. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I remember in 2008, Obama made an issue about the prison at Gitmo and how he was going to close it. He was a senator at the time and probably didn't have all the information necessary for his bold plans.
He is elected and serves 8 years - Gitmo never closed.
Did he lie to everyone or was there a more compelling reason to keep it open?
Neither you nor I know all the information that went into the decision to bomb Iran.
My opinion is that it must have been something compelling to pull Trump into it.
Time will tell one way or the other. No need for pearl clutching at this point.
Estimates were that they could rush forward to a nuclear weapon in 3 weeks, from where they were. In the future that timeframe could be a problem, even if 3 days ago, they were not trying to build a nuclear weapon. We decided to take the opportunity Israel gave us, rather than potentially let it come back to bite us.
Predictive analytics has been a thing for a decent amount of time now and it's incredibly good at what it does. The best predictive analytics in the world resides in your credit card company of choice.
I worked on some modeling back in like 08-09 for our CC division that was amazing and brought HUGE profits and it was really just the tip of the iceberg.
Target was accurately predicting pregnancy BEFORE people
knew they were pregnant by item purchases, MC was able to predict divorce to a high degree of accuracy, the fraud department at ALL of them can predict fraud almost instantly.
Read SuperCrunchers by Ian Ayers from 2007 which talks about using predictive models to help stem the tide of poor hygiene at a hospital network that saved lives or trying to predict horse races, etc. Excellent read.