War with Iran?

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nein51
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boognish_bear said:



Lol like Israel cares about the EU. If they are willing to take on Iran they really, really don't care about Belgium
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Sam, if you are determined to keep digging,please avoid the pipelines and drains this time.
Realitybites
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" "I have instructed the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) in coordination with the Prime Minister to continue the intensive operation to strike in Tehran and thwart regime targets and terror infrastructure in Tehran," Katz said.

Well, so much for the ceasefire.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Robert Wilson said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

If this peace holds and this is the end, Trump played this like a Maestro. Not only did he help cripple a potential nuclear armed terrorist state, he did it using weaponry capable of silently deploying massive nuclear payloads (B2 and sub) while China and Russia had to watch. Major peace through strength flex.
Vance says we've "destroyed" Iran's nuclear program and created a reset moment for the entire region.

So is that it? We all good now?


No, 'we' still have to worry about the international law police arresting us and taking us to the international law prosecutors who will try us in front of the international law tribunal which will put us in international law jail.

Or at least Trump does, along with the mouse in his pocket, if I followed your earlier posts. Unclear to me whether you are going with him given your liberal use of first person plural.
I doubt Trump is worried about that. He (and you) know that the US playing the villain on the international stage has no consequences as long as Trump doesn't personally suffer for it. Well done, sir.
Being a massive state sponsor of terror that was secretly building nuclear weapons infrastructure that could endanger/kill millions = not villain. Taking out the nuclear part of the aforementioned = villain.

Got it…
Many nations support insurgencies, the US not least among them.

Iran's nuclear infrastructure was no secret a few days ago. Good luck finding it now.
boognish_bear
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Realitybites said:

" "I have instructed the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) in coordination with the Prime Minister to continue the intensive operation to strike in Tehran and thwart regime targets and terror infrastructure in Tehran," Katz said.

Well, so much for the ceasefire.


Where is this from? Did it happen today?
Doc Holliday
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Natasha Bertrand made this claim on CNN. She's a con artist who helped push the "51 officials say Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation". She gets info from DC bureaucrats that want war and the only way they can get war is by selling it.
boognish_bear
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nein51
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boognish_bear said:



If someone leaked classified information they are about to have a jolly good time in federal prison.

If someone is suspected of leaking classified information they are about to lose their security clearance until a full colonoscopy can be done.

In any event someone is about to have a super bad day.
RealEstateBear
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Could also be Mossad or some Israeli official making up bs as well. We are done with Iran.
Harrison Bergeron
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At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.
nein51
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Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.
Harrison Bergeron
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nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.
Fair ... definitely not an expert ... just not 100% obvious to me how we would know the extent of the impact on the program, but prepared to be wrong.
Mitch Blood Green
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boognish_bear said:




She's not saying it's not true.
KaiBear
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nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
Harrison Bergeron
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KaiBear said:

nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
STFU. You mean we've had off the record stories spreading disinformation about Trump? No way ... I AM SHOCKED. At the end of the day would give 50-50 chance there was ever an actual source ... the Democrat media threw out its ethics years ago.
boognish_bear
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ron.reagan
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KaiBear said:

nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
They build shelters in mountains to protect from nuclear weapons. I don't think it's that hard to believe that a few 6K lb warheads couldn't obliterate the place. It's almost certain Trump didn't know when he said but I don't think anyone really knows.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

KaiBear said:

nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
STFU. You mean we've had off the record stories spreading disinformation about Trump? No way ... I AM SHOCKED. At the end of the day would give 50-50 chance there was ever an actual source ... the Democrat media threw out its ethics years ago.

I hate the democrats and the media as much as anyone on this board... but do you really think democrats are the ones creating rumors that Iran still has nukes?

lol. no.
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The_barBEARian said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

KaiBear said:

nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
STFU. You mean we've had off the record stories spreading disinformation about Trump? No way ... I AM SHOCKED. At the end of the day would give 50-50 chance there was ever an actual source ... the Democrat media threw out its ethics years ago.

I hate the democrats and the media as much as anyone on this board... but do you really think democrats are the ones creating rumors that Iran still has nukes?

lol. no.


Wait, it's the Jews, right?
The_barBEARian
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GrowlTowel said:

The_barBEARian said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

KaiBear said:

nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
STFU. You mean we've had off the record stories spreading disinformation about Trump? No way ... I AM SHOCKED. At the end of the day would give 50-50 chance there was ever an actual source ... the Democrat media threw out its ethics years ago.

I hate the democrats and the media as much as anyone on this board... but do you really think democrats are the ones creating rumors that Iran still has nukes?

lol. no.


Wait, it's the Jews, right?

Doc Holliday
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KaiBear
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ron.reagan said:

KaiBear said:

nein51 said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

At the end of the day, there is really no way to know either way. It did not help the program.

Oh that's definitely not true.

I'm constantly amazed at the underestimation of our armed services.

There may not be a way you and I know…but "we" definitely know.


Even one 30,000 lb bomb would raise holy hell on any target.

And the Air Force put up to SIX of these monsters on each facility.

However somehow , somewhere an 'expert' comes out of the weeds attempting to discredit the results.

Gotta luv social media.
They build shelters in mountains to protect from nuclear weapons. I don't think it's that hard to believe that a few 6K lb warheads couldn't obliterate the place. It's almost certain Trump didn't know when he said but I don't think anyone really knows.




Bombs were specifically designed for such targets.

30,000 lbs…..can barely even imagine such an impact 200-300 ft underground.

The shockwaves alone must have been devastating.
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boognish_bear said:




Congress can most certainly put restrictions and conditions on the powers of war that the President can exercise.

They may not often do so…but they can certainly specify and constrain his war powers if they wish in accordance with the Constitution.


[Anyone wishing to argue that the War Powers Resolution of 1973 is unconstitutional must be prepared to explain the purpose of article I, section 8, clause 11, of the Constitution.

That provision expressly grants to Congress the power "To declare War." If the President of the United States is free to fight a war whether or not one has been declared, then this apparently unambiguous constitutional provision is devoid of significance. Opponents of the War Powers Resolution have traditionally claimed that clause 11 confers upon Congress only a narrow piece of war power.

Defenders of the Resolution have argued in contrast that the Resolution constitutes an exercise of congressional authority under the clause. This last contention pokes at the truth without quite striking it. The War Powers Resolution is not constitutional as an exercise of the war power. It is constitutional because it defines the war power. The War Powers Resolution is nothing more or less than a congressional definition of the word "war" in article I.

A definition of this kind coupled with a reasonable enforcement mechanism is well within the power of Congress under a proper understanding of the constitutional system of checks and balances.] -Stephen Carter, Yale Law school
https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/1518
whiterock
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Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




Congress can most certainly put restrictions and conditions on the powers of war that the President can exercise.

They may not often do so…but they can certainly specify and constrain his war powers if they wish in accordance with the Constitution.


[Anyone wishing to argue that the War Powers Resolution of 1973 is unconstitutional must be prepared to explain the purpose of article I, section 8, clause 11, of the Constitution.

That provision expressly grants to Congress the power "To declare War." If the President of the United States is free to fight a war whether or not one has been declared, then this apparently unambiguous constitutional provision is devoid of significance. Opponents of the War Powers Resolution have traditionally claimed that clause 11 confers upon Congress only a narrow piece of war power.

Defenders of the Resolution have argued in contrast that the Resolution constitutes an exercise of congressional authority under the clause. This last contention pokes at the truth without quite striking it. The War Powers Resolution is not constitutional as an exercise of the war power. It is constitutional because it defines the war power. The War Powers Resolution is nothing more or less than a congressional definition of the word "war" in article I.

A definition of this kind coupled with a reasonable enforcement mechanism is well within the power of Congress under a proper understanding of the constitutional system of checks and balances.] -Stephen Carter, Yale Law school
https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/1518

War Powers Act is frequently cited but rarely read. It manifestly does NOT prohibit what Trump did to Iran. In fact, he complied with it fully.
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The fruits of our latest regime change operation in Syria.
KaiBear
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whiterock said:

Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




Congress can most certainly put restrictions and conditions on the powers of war that the President can exercise.

They may not often do so…but they can certainly specify and constrain his war powers if they wish in accordance with the Constitution.


[Anyone wishing to argue that the War Powers Resolution of 1973 is unconstitutional must be prepared to explain the purpose of article I, section 8, clause 11, of the Constitution.

That provision expressly grants to Congress the power "To declare War." If the President of the United States is free to fight a war whether or not one has been declared, then this apparently unambiguous constitutional provision is devoid of significance. Opponents of the War Powers Resolution have traditionally claimed that clause 11 confers upon Congress only a narrow piece of war power.

Defenders of the Resolution have argued in contrast that the Resolution constitutes an exercise of congressional authority under the clause. This last contention pokes at the truth without quite striking it. The War Powers Resolution is not constitutional as an exercise of the war power. It is constitutional because it defines the war power. The War Powers Resolution is nothing more or less than a congressional definition of the word "war" in article I.

A definition of this kind coupled with a reasonable enforcement mechanism is well within the power of Congress under a proper understanding of the constitutional system of checks and balances.] -Stephen Carter, Yale Law school
https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/1518

War Powers Act is frequently cited but rarely read. It manifestly does NOT prohibit what Trump did to Iran. In fact, he complied with it fully.


I am one of those who is not familiar with the provisions of the War Powers Act.

Suspect that qualifies me to be a member of the House of Representatives.
muddybrazos
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Massie is def one of the best reps we have.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Redbrickbear said:

boognish_bear said:




Congress can most certainly put restrictions and conditions on the powers of war that the President can exercise.

They may not often do so…but they can certainly specify and constrain his war powers if they wish in accordance with the Constitution.


[Anyone wishing to argue that the War Powers Resolution of 1973 is unconstitutional must be prepared to explain the purpose of article I, section 8, clause 11, of the Constitution.

That provision expressly grants to Congress the power "To declare War." If the President of the United States is free to fight a war whether or not one has been declared, then this apparently unambiguous constitutional provision is devoid of significance. Opponents of the War Powers Resolution have traditionally claimed that clause 11 confers upon Congress only a narrow piece of war power.

Defenders of the Resolution have argued in contrast that the Resolution constitutes an exercise of congressional authority under the clause. This last contention pokes at the truth without quite striking it. The War Powers Resolution is not constitutional as an exercise of the war power. It is constitutional because it defines the war power. The War Powers Resolution is nothing more or less than a congressional definition of the word "war" in article I.

A definition of this kind coupled with a reasonable enforcement mechanism is well within the power of Congress under a proper understanding of the constitutional system of checks and balances.] -Stephen Carter, Yale Law school
https://openyls.law.yale.edu/handle/20.500.13051/1518


What is the difference between a military action and a declared war?
LIB,MR BEARS
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Robert Wilson
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muddybrazos said:



Massie is def one of the best reps we have.
I have a lot of sympathy for the non-interventionist policy here. I think the mullah terrorists running Iran and trying to get nukes ("Death to America!") justify some bunker busters, for our own sake. But, in general, I think our involvement should be mostly nil.

But I will posit one thing we get from Israel. They're a lightning rod for the jihadists' hate. And I do not believe that hate simply goes away if Israel does. Given that we are target 1b, I have a guess how it goes if they didn't have Israel as their daily foil.

I really like Massie in general, and have been surprisingly impressed with Vonn and think he's interesting and fun. But I think Massie is oversimplifying why the United States is hated in many corners in that part of the world. The barbary pirates weren't capturing our boats and enslaving our people in the 1700s because we were an ally of Israel, which didn't exist. Nor did they do it because we were involved in the crusades, as we didn't exist. They did it because we are infidels. And we are still, and will always be, infidels.

So, unless and until (and I think it's until) the Persians wrest control from the mullah terrorists, we are occasionally going to have to smack someone upside the head over there.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

boognish_bear said:




She's not saying it's not true.
What part of "this assessment is flat out wrong" is not saying it's not true??

Good lord, folks.
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Doc Holliday said:



Natasha Bertrand made this claim on CNN. She's a con artist who helped push the "51 officials say Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation". She gets info from DC bureaucrats that want war and the only way they can get war is by selling it.
Technically, if there's a toilet still standing, then it wasn't "fully" destroyed. But regardless, the sites didn't have to be "fully" destroyed, but rather "functionally" destroyed.
 
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