Doc Holliday said:You want the state to recognize illegals as citizens so that you can get them to do certain jobs.quash said:Doc Holliday said:**** those employers. I don't give a damn.quash said:Osodecentx said:The wall will not disrupt the flow of legal immigration.quash said:Doc Holliday said:An estimated half of the nation's undocumented immigrants are believed to be working under fake Social Security numbers, which means they are paying taxes and into Social Security.quash said:Of course not: it's not true.Doc Holliday said:He won't even acknowledge that illegal immigrants cost more than they give back.Oldbear83 said:OK, I see we have to go to basics:quash said:Doc Holliday said:If there's enforcement everywhere then how are 2000+ crossing illegally everyday?quash said:Doc Holliday said:
Why the hell does anyone think just because most of the drugs are seized at the port of entry that somehow this means that only drugs are going through the ports of entry?
Common sense says of course they're being caught there because that's where law enforcement is.
The drugs that are coming from the border are going through areas where there are no barriers or enforcement.
There is enforcement, what are you talking about?
If there is no enforcement why are so many caught?
Where there are barriers and enforcement, illegals get caught
Where there are no barriers or law enforcement, illegals are not caught and enter the country.
Building walls costs a lot less than man-hours, and historically is very effective.
Next lesson: addition and subtraction
That means at least half are not paying their fair share of taxes. Legally they shouldn't even be here to begin with.
The reason illegal immigrants are unambiguously a net fiscal drain is that less-educated people, native-born or immigrant, earn on average modest wages and as a result they tend to make modest tax contributions, while needing significant social services.
Actual net lifetime fiscal cost of illegal immigrants is likely $125,000 to $135,000 per illegal alien.
Nope. Your assuming cradle to grave social costs
First, many migrants are working age. We never had the biggest outlay: public education.
Second, they pay sales and property taxes for, wait for it, public education, among other things.
Third, they'll never collect a dime of those social security benefits. But we will. They are keeping SS afloat for a few extra years.
Four, the cyclical flow of labor means that many return home to start families, etc. before they reach the age when they become a drain on healthcare.
The wall, however, interrupts that flow.
We will pay for their healthcare and their children's education. The property taxes they might pay won't
I hope the wall disrupts illegal migration. That would be its purpose.
That purpose causes economic issues as employers can't get workers. And, it causes others to stay when they would have left. Govt interference in the marketplace is for socialists.
Make the millions of lazy ass jobless Americans do those jobs by cutting their welfare.
And socialism is when the state controls who gets what and how much they get. This has nothing to do with socialism or statism. There are laws on the books that are being ignored. You are in favor of ignoring those laws.
I am in favor of changing those laws. That's what I keep saying.
And using the force of the state to make people do certain jobs is as statist as it gets, comrade.
By your own definition, you are the statist.
No. As I have said I want the state to allow employers and workers to freely contract. The state is there to provide a mechanism of enforcement of contracts, the court system. And I have never advocated for making them citizens, just legal foreign workers. They'd pay more taxes to your state, should make you happy.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat