Waco1947 said:

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Kyle said:

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I have mentioned God does not discriminate in God's love or justice.

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Waco1947 said:

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As Matthew 25 reminds us ----Jesus in is every outcast and child. He ate with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors and other outcasts.
He loved them all. He welcomed them all.

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Do you all think Homecoming attendance will be at an All time high after Baylor announces they will allow LBGTQ group on campus? Could folks Baylor hasn't seen since graduation come back for the big announcement?

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^^^ Stirs the pot

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There's a Pro Texana part of Baylor and memberships in national organizations that bring more money and value than a donor who only donates to Baylor on Baptist religious principals. Those type of donors are looking for a fundamentalist college to donate. Baylor has never served that purpose.

I think you are posting to stir the pot. When you are going to enroll in Baylor and actually attend a class since you think you have a voice?

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X, maybe this should be for another thread but, can you give me YOUR definition of principles? If so, do your principles override a balance sheet or does the balance sheet override principles?
This question is about you and your views, not CAB, BU, BSU, BOR, Stidham, the DAs office etc...

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Why would you even try to questions someone's principles by bringing up their views on CAB? BOR? DA office? A football transfer with a big ego?

Once you understand Baylor is in the school business, not the church business, you will understand why they are doing it.

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You could have simply said "I choose not to answer."

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It's all about giving you the answer you do not want to read. I'm not going to feed you a Biblical reasoning to exclude. It won't work at a major school.
Do you normally walk out of restaurants, public places or anywhere people breathe if you encounter a gay and lesbian?

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Why would I walk away from someone because their sin is different from my sin?

We are all sinners. We are not all required to have the same sin.

Jesus said "Go, and sin no more." He said nothing about redefining sin.

This is why I asked about your principles. At some point you will be or have been put into a position where you have to decide whether or not to go against your principles. Is fudging billable hours the same as stealing? Is being purposefully misleading the same as a lie? Should people expect you to stand by your principles. Should people expect a Baptist University to stand by theirs?

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The Baptist University should do whatever is best for the school. If the Big 12 or big accreditation says do it, then sign those gays up. Baylor is a school. Not everyone is going to Baylor to live by the Baptist Standard.

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So, if I'm reading you correctly, money/status/ranking ahead of principles? Is that correct?

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The school is in the school business. I have no issues with the recognizing them.
Unfortunately for the super Baptist, Baylor is conservative but not really for the religious super Baptist.

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Well, so much for the honest part. You're redefining traditional Baptist beliefs as fundamentalist and saying Baylor has never been fundamentalist. But by your definition, Baylor has always been fundamentalist.

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xiledino said:

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Once you understand Baylor is in the school business, not the church business, you will understand why they are doing it.

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57Bear said:

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xiledino said:

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Once you understand Baylor is in the school business, not the church business, you will understand why they are doing it.

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What if someone wants to open a restaurant specializing in chicken, but they want the product to be offered in a format that complies with their belief? What if they don't open on Sunday due to their belief? Should they have to open on Sunday because they are in the chicken business?

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ScottS said:

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This thread is super gay

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ScottS said:

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This thread is super gay

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X normally stays on the sports boards.

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Coke Bear said:

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The average alumni do not care about the school giving these inconsequential people their group.

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The point here is that it is NOT about the average alumni. It is about principles. If if engaging in same-sex related activities is against the principles and standards of the Baptist faith, then they should NOT be forced to allow activities or organized groups on campus.

For example, I enjoy drinking beer. My faith, Catholicism, has no qualms with alcohol provided that it is done in moderation and one doesn't get drunk (the Catechism states it better.) Having said that, I would love to be able to buy a beer at a Baylor home game; HOWEVER, I don't think that Baylor should allow it to be sold to the public, because I understand that alcohol is prohibited by Baptists.

I applaud them for sticking to their principles even though it effects my ability to drink in the stadium. Quite frankly, I would be disappointed (on a philosophical level) if they decide to sell beer just to chase the dollar.

I would be just as disappointed if the administration caved to societal pressures and allowed a sanctioned LGBTQ group on campus.

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xiledinok said:

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This thread is super gay

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X normally stays on the sports boards.

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A breeder like myself doesn't get nervous and worked up about homosexuals. I don't worry about the homophobia types who can't handle a homosexual in a social setting. It will be their children and grandchildren who are mostly like to turn towards an alternative lifestyle.

I want to see the video footage of you and Westboro types protesting the here and queer group's initial homecoming appearance.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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This thread is super gay

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X normally stays on the sports boards.

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A breeder like myself doesn't get nervous and worked up about homosexuals. I don't worry about the homophobia types who can't handle a homosexual in a social setting. It will be their children and grandchildren who are mostly like to turn towards an alternative lifestyle.

I want to see the video footage of you and Westboro types protesting the here and queer group's initial homecoming appearance.

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I want to see the video of you understanding a joke and not getting wound up.

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xiledinok said:

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Power 5 conference membership and grant money > gay conversion church issues and other stances against "here and queer." It's all school business.

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xiledinok said:

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They'll be selling beer to help soften these athletic department costs like every other university.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Power 5 conference membership and grant money > gay conversion church issues and other stances against "here and queer." It's all school business.

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Where did anyone suggest a "gay conversion church"?

My recommendation is to release a statement. like they just did, with the following:

Baylor University always has been and will always be open to ALL regardless of sexual identity. Because we are an institution rooted in the Christian faith, we will not allow nor sanction organizations that run contrary to our Christian doctrine.

Let the chips fall where they may. They would receive social media pressure for about two weeks until the next new story hits the press. Our collective attention span is too short.

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They'll be selling beer to help soften these athletic department costs like every other university.

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If that's the case, then they should remove "Baptist" from the description. The should just become another private university with no affiliation.

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Coke, you understand principles and what it is to stand by them. X has yet to articulate his understanding of principles or, maybe he has...

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This thread is super gay

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I don't think

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Truer words have never been spoken.....

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xiledinok said:

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I don't think

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Truer words have never been spoken.....

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Never spoken?
Where will you guys be rallying against the "here and queer" group at Homecoming?

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I don't think

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Truer words have never been spoken.....

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Never spoken?
Where will you guys be rallying against the "here and queer" group at Homecoming?

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That will only happen in your fetid imagination, X.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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X, here is a simple question; are there business people with firmly held principles that they are >>>justified<<< in having? They may or may not be faith based. Do they exist?

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As Matthew 25 reminds us ----Jesus in is every outcast and child. He ate with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors and other outcasts.
He loved them all. He welcomed them all. Regardless of your personal morals, I think Jesus would welcome the LGBTQ community with open arms.
I don't believe being gay or homosexual behavior in marriage is a sin. But even if you do why exclude those Jesus would accept. You could always work to "save" them. Although you will do more harm than good.

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No one is saying exclude them. No one is saying don't love them. Are you saying that for a gay person to be saved through Jesus does more harm than good? Are you sure you're a pastor of a CHRISTIAN church?

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Waco1947 said:

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I have mentioned God does not discriminate in God's love or justice.

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But God does discriminate, doesn't He?. Those who believe in Jesus are made just even though they are sinners, while those sinners who do not believe, are not- "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." - John 3:18.

If God is all loving how can God condemn. God can only love. Condemnation has no place in love. Prove that it does. We certainly live the consequences of our sin but God loves us.

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Justice - the right to marry and be ordained

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You can almost marry anyone you want so.....what's your point again?

Some denominations or workplaces or schools or clubs condemns gays .
In the UMC gays cannot be ordained and as a pastor I lose my credentials if I do a gay marriage.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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As Matthew 25 reminds us ----Jesus in is every outcast and child. He ate with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors and other outcasts.
He loved them all. He welcomed them all. Regardless of your personal morals, I think Jesus would welcome the LGBTQ community with open arms.
I don't believe being gay or homosexual behavior in marriage is a sin. But even if you do why exclude those Jesus would accept. You could always work to "save" them. Although you will do more harm than good.

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No one is saying exclude them. No one is saying don't love them. Are you saying that for a gay person to be saved through Jesus does more harm than good? Are you sure you're a pastor of a CHRISTIAN church?

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Yes, it's exactly what you saying. Yeah I am a Christian and love gays like any pastor or Christian should. It ain't a sin or a disease.

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Waco1947 said:

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Justice - the right to marry and be ordained

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You can almost marry anyone you want so.....what's your point again?

Some denominations or workplaces or schools or clubs condemns gays .
In the UMC gays cannot be ordained and as a pastor I lose my credentials if I do a gay marriage.

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It is not "certainly unclear" how the bible addresses people who are born homosexual. In fact, it is abundantly clear in Scripture that we are all born with a sin nature. The fact that we all have a propensity to sin does not mean our sin ceases to be sin.

How we battle against our sin nature via reliance on the Lord is what matters.

You have swallowed the false logic of the gay lobby hook, line, and sinker.





True we are all born to sin but homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible only knows homosexual behavior and only in the most idolatrous since - temple prostitution and the Roman and Greek party scene.
Those are abhorrent. Homosexual behavior anal and oral sex outside of marriage is wrong just like for heterosexuals but, like straights, anal and oral sex are ok.
And no Mark is about divorce not the marriage of one and one woman. The Pharisees begin the discussion with a question divorce a man and woman so naturally Jesus answers that question.

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Once again 47 demonstrates:
- He still doesn't know how to use the quote function;
- His failure of reading comprehension skills in light of Romans 1:24-32; and
- His misunderstanding that before there is a divorce, there must be a marriage...between a man and a woman. Irrelevant comment The Pharisees specifically ask about "man and woman." Jesus answered accordingly. You cannot deny it.

I pray for your former congregants that they someday receive the correct teaching.
"Correct teaching" is tainted by your upbringing. You were raised homophobic. I can't help that part of you.
Romans 1: 24-32 is clearly idolatry not homosexuality.

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I'd ask you to explain how Romans 1:26-27 doesn't describe homosexuality as sinful, but you obviously cannot read AND comprehend. I'll quote it here for your future reference.

Romans 1: "26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

You are a false teacher that has zero business being in the ministry.



You are the false teacher. You are reading homosexuality into the text. The context is clear - idolatry is the issue and men and women were missing their sexuality for sinful purposes. It's the purpose that is the fault and the context not the behavior itself.
Paul had not even been to Rome. He was going on rumor. And why would you raise rumor to the level of some kind rigid doctrinal law. Creating more law (which in the case is wrong) Paul says we are freed from that law. Do eat shrimp or wear cotton and polyester together? In Christ we are freed from the law. Right? Your "new homosexuality is sin Law" is wrong.

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xiledinok said:

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xiledinok said:

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xiledinok said:

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I don't think

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Truer words have never been spoken.....

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Never spoken?
Where will you guys be rallying against the "here and queer" group at Homecoming?

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That will only happen in your fetid imagination, X.

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I'm off ignore?
Your crew will be easy to spot among the rally or protestors (whatever you call it). Do you know why?

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Oldbear83 said:

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xiledinok said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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xiledinok said:

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xiledinok said:

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I don't think

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Truer words have never been spoken.....

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Never spoken?
Where will you guys be rallying against the "here and queer" group at Homecoming?

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That will only happen in your fetid imagination, X.

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I'm off ignore?
Your crew will be easy to spot among the rally or protestors (whatever you call it). Do you know why?

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My "crew"?

In the first place, I'm not the whiny protest kind of person. Seems like the Left has locked up that role, anyway.

But if "my crew" did show up somewhere, sure we'd be easy to spot. Think the cast of Ocean's Eleven, but forty years older and more like Frank Sinatra's crew than George Clooney's crew.

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Waco1947 said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Waco1947 said:

If God is all loving how can God condemn. God can only love. Condemnation has no place in love. Prove that it does. We certainly live the consequences of our sin but God loves us.

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xiledinok said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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xiledinok said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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xiledinok said:

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xiledinok said:

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I don't think

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Truer words have never been spoken.....

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Never spoken?
Where will you guys be rallying against the "here and queer" group at Homecoming?

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That will only happen in your fetid imagination, X.

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I'm off ignore?
Your crew will be easy to spot among the rally or protestors (whatever you call it). Do you know why?

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My "crew"?

In the first place, I'm not the whiny protest kind of person. Seems like the Left has locked up that role, anyway.

But if "my crew" did show up somewhere, sure we'd be easy to spot. Think the cast of Ocean's Eleven, but forty years older and more like Frank Sinatra's crew than George Clooney's crew.

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I doubt any Las Vegas crew will show up to "protest" or "rally" against "we're queer and we are here" at Baylor.
The whiny posts seem to be about your feelings. It is the business side of the school and bottom line forcing these changes.

I'm not on ignore. These threads deliver.

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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It is not "certainly unclear" how the bible addresses people who are born homosexual. In fact, it is abundantly clear in Scripture that we are all born with a sin nature. The fact that we all have a propensity to sin does not mean our sin ceases to be sin.

How we battle against our sin nature via reliance on the Lord is what matters.

You have swallowed the false logic of the gay lobby hook, line, and sinker.





True we are all born to sin but homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible only knows homosexual behavior and only in the most idolatrous since - temple prostitution and the Roman and Greek party scene.
Those are abhorrent. Homosexual behavior anal and oral sex outside of marriage is wrong just like for heterosexuals but, like straights, anal and oral sex are ok.
And no Mark is about divorce not the marriage of one and one woman. The Pharisees begin the discussion with a question divorce a man and woman so naturally Jesus answers that question.

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Once again 47 demonstrates:
- He still doesn't know how to use the quote function;
- His failure of reading comprehension skills in light of Romans 1:24-32; and
- His misunderstanding that before there is a divorce, there must be a marriage...between a man and a woman. Irrelevant comment The Pharisees specifically ask about "man and woman." Jesus answered accordingly. You cannot deny it.

I pray for your former congregants that they someday receive the correct teaching.
"Correct teaching" is tainted by your upbringing. You were raised homophobic. I can't help that part of you.
Romans 1: 24-32 is clearly idolatry not homosexuality.

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I'd ask you to explain how Romans 1:26-27 doesn't describe homosexuality as sinful, but you obviously cannot read AND comprehend. I'll quote it here for your future reference.

Romans 1: "26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

You are a false teacher that has zero business being in the ministry.



You are the false teacher. You are reading homosexuality into the text. The context is clear - idolatry is the issue and men and women were missing their sexuality for sinful purposes. It's the purpose that is the fault and the context not the behavior itself.
Paul had not even been to Rome. He was going on rumor. And why would you raise rumor to the level of some kind rigid doctrinal law. Creating more law (which in the case is wrong) Paul says we are freed from that law. Do eat shrimp or wear cotton and polyester together? In Christ we are freed from the law. Right? Your "new homosexuality is sin Law" is wrong.

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