So... at what point do Republicans realize Trump is bad at this?

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Trump: "I consulted with everybody.I always consult with everybody."

Somewhere between hanging up with Erdogan and making the announcement the same (late) night.

Admiral Josh Painter:

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
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quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?
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fadskier said:

Trump asks Ukraine to investigate election meddling and the withholding of funds from the previous Vice-President who got a prosecutor fired because he was investigate corruption, and the left goes nuts...


^^^ This is all that impeachment is about

Democrats, and the scum backing them here, are low down dirty scoundrels
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fadskier said:

Actually jinx, to add to my previous comment, the news is pretty much like this board. You, Waco and cinque can always be counted on to see the worse, most negative thing in everyone. Y'all are first to pounce on anything negative about Trump and/or Republicans and/or Christians. You don't wait for facts or anything. You simply spread your hateful rhetoric as soon as possible. Conversely, there are those on this board that never post anything negative about anything. There are those who never post anything negative about Trump or Republicans.

You have the same type of people about Democrats.

I try to fit somewhere in the middle. I voted for Obama once. My vote is not tailored to a party but rather my beliefs in the way things should operate. While i felt betrayed and lied to by Obama, I did not come on this or any other board and post negative crap about him every time he did something wrong or I disagreed with him. Why? Because I believe you should support who is in office and try to find the good in things. Which is what I do now.
Fad, I agree with your last paragraph, although I did not vote for Obama. However, I have had enough of Trump. When he came out with this "my great and ultimate wisdom" yesterday, that is the most scariest thing I have heard from a President. I also agree with Jinx that all this "free" stuff will not be seen in my lifetime. And that is what I will be betting on next November when I vote against Trump. The only way I could see it happening is if the Reps lose the Senate, and if they continue to cling to Trump he can possibly take them all down.

I have just seen and heard enough of Trump. The policies could be championed by someone else who is not the loose cannon and perpetual liar and braggart that we currently have sitting in the White House. The man just does not seem stable. I can't vote for that, I don't care what the other side is offering.
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fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?
Ukraine kept checking their account, even a month later, because the funds had been appropriated but not delivered. Something about reciprocity, favors, the other thing...
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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blackie said:

fadskier said:

Actually jinx, to add to my previous comment, the news is pretty much like this board. You, Waco and cinque can always be counted on to see the worse, most negative thing in everyone. Y'all are first to pounce on anything negative about Trump and/or Republicans and/or Christians. You don't wait for facts or anything. You simply spread your hateful rhetoric as soon as possible. Conversely, there are those on this board that never post anything negative about anything. There are those who never post anything negative about Trump or Republicans.

You have the same type of people about Democrats.

I try to fit somewhere in the middle. I voted for Obama once. My vote is not tailored to a party but rather my beliefs in the way things should operate. While i felt betrayed and lied to by Obama, I did not come on this or any other board and post negative crap about him every time he did something wrong or I disagreed with him. Why? Because I believe you should support who is in office and try to find the good in things. Which is what I do now.
Fad, I agree with your last paragraph, although I did not vote for Obama. However, I have had enough of Trump. When he came out with this "my great and ultimate wisdom" yesterday, that is the most scariest thing I have heard from a President. I also agree with Jinx that all this "free" stuff will not be seen in my lifetime. And that is what I will be betting on next November when I vote against Trump. The only way I could see it happening is if the Reps lose the Senate, and if they continue to cling to Trump he can possibly take them all down.

I have just seen and heard enough of Trump. The policies could be championed by someone else who is not the loose cannon and perpetual liar and braggart that we currently have sitting in the White House. The man just does not seem stable. I can't vote for that, I don't care what the other side is offering.
Please vote the whole ballot. If there's a Dem in the WH we need at least one house held by Republicans.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?
Ukraine kept checking their account, even a month later, because the funds had been appropriated but not delivered. Something about reciprocity, favors, the other thing...
Not even the Ukraine says that...funny how both the White House and Ukraine agree on this issue, yet you WANT to believe something else...even when there is no evidence. Let me guess, you believed Blasey-Ford?
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fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?

That's interesting, because DoD actually has a statutory obligation to certify to Congress that Ukraine is in fact complying with the US directive to pursue corruption, which they did in this instance and the money was then subsequently withheld. Plus, you know, Trump's own diplomat to Ukraine (since he forced out the actual ambassador for not wanting to engage in Trump's shady ass schemes) said explicitly that the money was withheld to coerce an investigation of Biden. I have a hard time believing you didn't know all this already, I think you're just a shameless liar.
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blackie said:

fadskier said:

Actually jinx, to add to my previous comment, the news is pretty much like this board. You, Waco and cinque can always be counted on to see the worse, most negative thing in everyone. Y'all are first to pounce on anything negative about Trump and/or Republicans and/or Christians. You don't wait for facts or anything. You simply spread your hateful rhetoric as soon as possible. Conversely, there are those on this board that never post anything negative about anything. There are those who never post anything negative about Trump or Republicans.

You have the same type of people about Democrats.

I try to fit somewhere in the middle. I voted for Obama once. My vote is not tailored to a party but rather my beliefs in the way things should operate. While i felt betrayed and lied to by Obama, I did not come on this or any other board and post negative crap about him every time he did something wrong or I disagreed with him. Why? Because I believe you should support who is in office and try to find the good in things. Which is what I do now.
Fad, I agree with your last paragraph, although I did not vote for Obama. However, I have had enough of Trump. When he came out with this "my great and ultimate wisdom" yesterday, that is the most scariest thing I have heard from a President. I also agree with Jinx that all this "free" stuff will not be seen in my lifetime. And that is what I will be betting on next November when I vote against Trump. The only way I could see it happening is if the Reps lose the Senate, and if they continue to cling to Trump he can possibly take them all down.

I have just seen and heard enough of Trump. The policies could be championed by someone else who is not the loose cannon and perpetual liar and braggart that we currently have sitting in the White House. The man just does not seem stable. I can't vote for that, I don't care what the other side is offering.
I've heard enough of him as well. However the policies and hatred that I hear spewing from Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren etc are not stuff I can support. To me, policy still matters. Dems will allow immigrants to pour in, give them free health care, govern our speech, take away guns....they've all said it and or done it.

As bad as Trump is, he's better than that.
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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

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GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
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and for the record, I'd love if the GOP decided to replace Trump with Ted Cruz. Not sure a sitting president has ever had that happening and judging by his rallies, there'd be a ton of people upset, but that's what I'd like to see...
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quash said:

blackie said:

fadskier said:

Actually jinx, to add to my previous comment, the news is pretty much like this board. You, Waco and cinque can always be counted on to see the worse, most negative thing in everyone. Y'all are first to pounce on anything negative about Trump and/or Republicans and/or Christians. You don't wait for facts or anything. You simply spread your hateful rhetoric as soon as possible. Conversely, there are those on this board that never post anything negative about anything. There are those who never post anything negative about Trump or Republicans.

You have the same type of people about Democrats.

I try to fit somewhere in the middle. I voted for Obama once. My vote is not tailored to a party but rather my beliefs in the way things should operate. While i felt betrayed and lied to by Obama, I did not come on this or any other board and post negative crap about him every time he did something wrong or I disagreed with him. Why? Because I believe you should support who is in office and try to find the good in things. Which is what I do now.
Fad, I agree with your last paragraph, although I did not vote for Obama. However, I have had enough of Trump. When he came out with this "my great and ultimate wisdom" yesterday, that is the most scariest thing I have heard from a President. I also agree with Jinx that all this "free" stuff will not be seen in my lifetime. And that is what I will be betting on next November when I vote against Trump. The only way I could see it happening is if the Reps lose the Senate, and if they continue to cling to Trump he can possibly take them all down.

I have just seen and heard enough of Trump. The policies could be championed by someone else who is not the loose cannon and perpetual liar and braggart that we currently have sitting in the White House. The man just does not seem stable. I can't vote for that, I don't care what the other side is offering.
Please vote the whole ballot. If there's a Dem in the WH we need at least one house held by Republicans.
Nope.

Republicans have proven they are unfit for office due to their stance on climate change.

I know you don't agree re: government action. But you don't strike me as a science denier.

Their support for Trump, an obviously unstable leader who is acting more and more like a dictator, especially with this move re: Syria, is also a big strike against them.

But climate change literally Trumps.
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quash said:

Florda_mike said:

curtpenn said:

BrooksBearLives said:

curtpenn said:

BrooksBearLives said:

curtpenn said:

D. C. Bear said:

BrooksBearLives said:

D. C. Bear said:

BrooksBearLives said:



Listen, I'm not your enemy.

And it has been literally days -if not weeks- since I insulted anyone on this thread. Feel free to go check.

In the meantime, you okay with this? Our president is straight ****ing the Kurds right now -all while claiming "great and unmatched wisdom." I want to hear Curt say how any Democrat could be worse than this. This dude wanted to nuke hurricanes. He's lost it and is completely going off the edge.


I didn't say you are my enemy. Why are you saying that?

What does it matter if "it has been literally days -if not weeks- since I insulted anyone on this thread?" You established your reputation long before this thread was made.


Oh. So reputation is all that matters? Good to know.
All that matters? Didn't say that. You seem to think it doesn't matter at all. I asked why you expect that you won't be getting a lot of insults when you have made it part of your persona on here to hurl insults and curses at others. You've said that you "feel shame" when you lose your temper, so you clearly have some level of awareness and consider it to be a problem. You also say that you are engaging in "good faith" debate, but you seem to be saying that I have said you are my enemy. I haven't, and it doesn't appear to be "good faith debate" for you to make that claim.
Hats off to DC Bear for being the voice of reason here and continuing to discuss and very clearly state what others of us less reasonable sorts can only rage against. I was once probably closer to his position but have admittedly given myself over to a more combative attitude. I embrace that you, BBL, and your kind are actually "my enemy" and lament that it has come to this. And yet, lamentations and regrets aside, here we are. As DC points out, those who think like me don't require or expect your agreement, but it shouldn't be that difficult to understand. The ironic thing is, the more either extreme pushes their respective agenda, the greater countervailing force is created in opposition. It works both ways. My solution is to reduce the scope of government reach so as to minimize opportunities for conflict to arise. How about governments limiting themselves primarily to things we can agree upon? Vive ut vivas.


Yeah. No difference of opinion makes you my enemy. You're my brother. You need help, I will give what I have to give.

All this crap we're dealing with down here on earth is menial and base. That's why I care about morality and caring for my fellow man. That's what matters. Tax cuts for people who already have too much?

Nah. Don't care about that.
Please understand we are not "brothers" in any meaningful way, and while it may be true that I need help in the sense that I'm a sinner in need of grace, I'm certain there's nothing you can do for me in that regard. I invite you to drop all of your pearl clutching virtue signaling. Perhaps you could consider growing a pair and growing up while you're at it? Focus on being the best you can be, and on giving all of the time, talent, and resources you like to the betterment of others, but leave using the coercive power of governments out of it. You cool with that?


You got some hatred in your heart man. You need to let it go.

Our country deserves better.
Don't worry, bro, I don't have hatred in my heart for you. My feelings about you are similar to those I experience stepping in pile of dog sh_t; very annoying, but something one just scrapes offs and gets on with life.

I may not be the brightest color in the box, but my GMAT scores were good enough to warrant a full scholarship and graduate assistantship to Baylor's MBA program. Upon completion, I knocked around for about 10 years getting dirty and changing jobs. Ultimately started my own business - just me working out of my house. Proud to say 31 years later that business has been modestly successful and now employs around 40 people. If I add in family members, I suspect it has benefited hundreds of people over the years. With no help from anyone other than my wonderful wife, we managed to put 2 kids through some of the finest private schools in Dallas. Our oldest graduated from Temple with honors while maintaining a highly rigorous schedule as a D1 rower. Our youngest graduated from SMU a couple of years ago. My wife was able to interrupt her professional career for about 10 years in order to be a full time mom (which was her choice). I won't bore you with the details, but we've been very active in our school and church communities over the decades as well. I feel pretty good about what we've accomplished for the betterment of our community and country. What have you done?




What's BBL done?

Lost his Title 9 entitlement job because, Trump

Kept student loan scam going getting himself further in debt by being a professional student because he's unemployable in real world and can't get a real job! Who wants someone like him?

Kept divorce lawyers in business

Behind on child support and hoping to avoid jail
You will never run out of things you don't know that you think are true. So precious.


Wow. I have him on ignore so I never see his posts. Jesus. Literally none of that is true.

Just... wow.

Title IX is only part of my portfolio and the the Trump admin hasn't done anything in this area in years. Literally.

I'm debt free outside of my home loans (no college debt at all, even my PhD is paid for).

Divorce lawyers? What? I celebrate my anniversary next week.

Child support? I live with my wife, two daughters and beagle.

Mike. You really need to take a step back and consider your decisions.
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fadskier said:

and for the record, I'd love if the GOP decided to replace Trump with Ted Cruz. Not sure a sitting president has ever had that happening and judging by his rallies, there'd be a ton of people upset, but that's what I'd like to see...
Please, please, please give the Democrats Ted Cruz to run against!
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Jinx 2 said:

quash said:

blackie said:

fadskier said:

Actually jinx, to add to my previous comment, the news is pretty much like this board. You, Waco and cinque can always be counted on to see the worse, most negative thing in everyone. Y'all are first to pounce on anything negative about Trump and/or Republicans and/or Christians. You don't wait for facts or anything. You simply spread your hateful rhetoric as soon as possible. Conversely, there are those on this board that never post anything negative about anything. There are those who never post anything negative about Trump or Republicans.

You have the same type of people about Democrats.

I try to fit somewhere in the middle. I voted for Obama once. My vote is not tailored to a party but rather my beliefs in the way things should operate. While i felt betrayed and lied to by Obama, I did not come on this or any other board and post negative crap about him every time he did something wrong or I disagreed with him. Why? Because I believe you should support who is in office and try to find the good in things. Which is what I do now.
Fad, I agree with your last paragraph, although I did not vote for Obama. However, I have had enough of Trump. When he came out with this "my great and ultimate wisdom" yesterday, that is the most scariest thing I have heard from a President. I also agree with Jinx that all this "free" stuff will not be seen in my lifetime. And that is what I will be betting on next November when I vote against Trump. The only way I could see it happening is if the Reps lose the Senate, and if they continue to cling to Trump he can possibly take them all down.

I have just seen and heard enough of Trump. The policies could be championed by someone else who is not the loose cannon and perpetual liar and braggart that we currently have sitting in the White House. The man just does not seem stable. I can't vote for that, I don't care what the other side is offering.
Please vote the whole ballot. If there's a Dem in the WH we need at least one house held by Republicans.
Nope.

Republicans have proven they are unfit for office due to their stance on climate change.

I know you don't agree re: government action. But you don't strike me as a science denier.

Their support for Trump, an obviously unstable leader who is acting more and more like a dictator, especially with this move re: Syria, is also a big strike against them.

But climate change literally Trumps.
Facts should actually trump...

https://theblacksphere.net/2019/07/finnish-scientists-prove-man-made-global-climate-change-is-a-scam/

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/03/the_farce_of_global_warming.html

https://prepareforchange.net/2018/01/01/al-gores-10-global-warming-predictions-12-years-later-none-happened/

https://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/climate-global-warming-ipcc/2016/05/31/id/731497/



But then again, you believed Blasey-Ford without a single fact, so...
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Jinx 2 said:

fadskier said:

and for the record, I'd love if the GOP decided to replace Trump with Ted Cruz. Not sure a sitting president has ever had that happening and judging by his rallies, there'd be a ton of people upset, but that's what I'd like to see...
Please, please, please give the Democrats Ted Cruz to run against!
He'd win.
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fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?


Do you truly believe this? He suspended aid due to corruption?

If so, then why were his own diplomats asking openly why he was conditioning military aid on the investigation into the Biden's?

Remember, there's literal proof they were discussing this.
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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?


Do you truly believe this? He suspended aid due to corruption?

If so, then why were his own diplomats asking openly why he was conditioning military aid on the investigation into the Biden's?

Remember, there's literal proof they were discussing this.
Yes, I truly believe this because I've read the transcript. I heard what the Ukraine has said...I've read what our own ambassador said. Perhaps the aides that you are referring to, like you, made an assumption that was incorrect.
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fadskier said:

Jinx 2 said:

fadskier said:

and for the record, I'd love if the GOP decided to replace Trump with Ted Cruz. Not sure a sitting president has ever had that happening and judging by his rallies, there'd be a ton of people upset, but that's what I'd like to see...
Please, please, please give the Democrats Ted Cruz to run against!
He'd win.
He almost lost his Senate seat to Beto O'Rourke, who strikes me as all hat and no cattle.

Cruz is smart, but he is such a jerk the other senators in his own party don't like him.

https://harpers.org/archive/2018/11/the-tragedy-of-ted-cruz/
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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:

quash said:

fadskier said:


For those of you upset about Ukraine...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-audio-email-evidence-shows-dnc-colluded-with-ukraine-to-boost-hillary-by-harming-trump-report-says
What public funds were dangled?

FIFM.
Not sure, does that matter? No public funds were dangled with Trump either...but is trying to get dirt on an opponent legal or not?
Yes it matters, it is the key distinction. Trump did, in fact, dangle public funds.
As I have already said, it is not illegal to get dirt on an opponent. I think it is a violation of campaign finance laws to use public funds to obtain that dirt.
He didn't dangle. He suspended funds due to corruption within the Ukraine. Ukraine didn't even know until a month later. Where did he say that the funds were being suspended until you investigate Joe Biden?


Do you truly believe this? He suspended aid due to corruption?

If so, then why were his own diplomats asking openly why he was conditioning military aid on the investigation into the Biden's?

Remember, there's literal proof they were discussing this.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/former-ukraine-ambassadors-testimony-throws-cold-water-democrats-quid-pro-quo-argument-against-trump

https://www.dailywire.com/news/shapiro-democrats-quid-pro-quo-claim-against-trump-is-weak-heres-why
Salute the Marines - Joe Biden
fadskier
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Jinx 2 said:

fadskier said:

Jinx 2 said:

fadskier said:

and for the record, I'd love if the GOP decided to replace Trump with Ted Cruz. Not sure a sitting president has ever had that happening and judging by his rallies, there'd be a ton of people upset, but that's what I'd like to see...
Please, please, please give the Democrats Ted Cruz to run against!
He'd win.
He almost lost his Senate seat to Beto O'Rourke, who strikes me as all hat and no cattle.

Cruz is smart, but he is such a jerk the other senators in his own party don't like him.

https://harpers.org/archive/2018/11/the-tragedy-of-ted-cruz/
They don't have to like him.
Salute the Marines - Joe Biden
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BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

cinque said:

GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
That's what I'm saying. They won't open an inquiry because they don't want to address the issue of subpoena power for the minority.
Canada2017
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Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

cinque said:

GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
That's what I'm saying. They won't open an inquiry because they don't want to address the issue of subpoena power for the minority.


Bingo
BrooksBearLives
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Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

cinque said:

GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
That's what I'm saying. They won't open an inquiry because they don't want to address the issue of subpoena power for the minority.


Lol. It's still a formal inquiry. You keep acting like it isn't going to happen. It will.

And you're in the shrinking minority of people who don't see the truth.
Sam Lowry
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BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

cinque said:

GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
That's what I'm saying. They won't open an inquiry because they don't want to address the issue of subpoena power for the minority.


Lol. It's still a formal inquiry. You keep acting like it isn't going to happen. It will.

And you're in the shrinking minority of people who don't see the truth.
Not only has the House not voted, not even the committee has voted on it. So no, it's not a formal inquiry.
curtpenn
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BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

cinque said:

GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
That's what I'm saying. They won't open an inquiry because they don't want to address the issue of subpoena power for the minority.


Lol. It's still a formal inquiry. You keep acting like it isn't going to happen. It will.

And you're in the shrinking minority of people who don't see the truth.
Still wondering what exactly you've done for our country that "deserves better"....
BrooksBearLives
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curtpenn said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

cinque said:

GrowlTowel said:

Transcript reads like the transcript reads. No law violated.

Move on to the next hoax.
That's not how the impeachment investigators will see it.


Then vote for it. Put it on paper and go. You are two weeks in and not a vote for inquiry in sight.

Pucker up buttercup.


Do you know how an impeachment inquiry works?

Or do you think juries vote guilty/not guilty on the first day?

This is just getting started, champ. And you can call it a hoax all you want, but we both know this isn't that. There's Trump corruption all over this. Even Giuliani is in on it. Getting Texas businessmen in the act, trying to blame Governor Perry for everything!

Man, if it wasn't the Presidency and our nation's standing in the world that he is grinding into the dirt, I would find it entertaining.
The point isn't that they haven't voted guilty or not guilty. It's that they haven't even voted to hold an official inquiry. It's all political theater.


Yeah. Lol. Conservatives complaining about "political theater."

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
Don't flatter me, there are plenty of laughs on this board. But thank you for the whataboutism. There's something that's truly in short supply.


That's not "whataboutism."

Whataboutism is when you ignore the comment by pointing out something completely separate to distract.

That wasn't whataboutism. It was openly laughing at your characterization -as it is false. Rules for impeachment processes have expanded since Clinton. Committee chairs don't need a formal vote to start issuing subpoenas.

But that's fine. I know a guy who insisted his marriage was still intact. She had moved out and gotten a lawyer, but he was "still married."

That was true. For a little while. It gave him comfort to believe that. Comfort isn't so bad.
Show me where the rules changed.


Read an article. It's actually very informative.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-07/subpoena-power-republicans-want-house-vote-impeachment-inquiry-pelosi-doesnt
That's what I'm saying. They won't open an inquiry because they don't want to address the issue of subpoena power for the minority.


Lol. It's still a formal inquiry. You keep acting like it isn't going to happen. It will.

And you're in the shrinking minority of people who don't see the truth.
Still wondering what exactly you've done for our country that "deserves better"..
So I have to pass a patriotism litmus test for you?
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I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.
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BrooksBearLives said:

I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.
Seriously, these guys are supporting a corrupt businessman who, before his election, used lawyers to get out of keeping his contractual commitments, who started a for-profit college that delivered only student debt, who is a serial adulterer and sexual harasser, and can't keep his big mouth shut now matter how high the stakes, because it's ALWAYS about him, 24/7, and everything else (except for his family, whom he views as an extention of himself) is a distant second, who expects the people who works for him to commit crimes on his behalf AND take the rap for it, and who is loyal to no one but immediate family but expects absolute loyalty from all who work for him, up to and including committing felonies.

Trump is a very, very bad president because he's a very, very bad man. And these guys won't acknowledge there's a problem even when he yanks us out of Syria like he's jerking the strings of a defective marionette.

So you don't need to defend youself to them. They obviously don't care how bad he is or how good you are. They have a vision for America that's sharply different from yours -- one where a few people getting theirs is a lot more important than our long-term survival as a vibrant, thriving democracy and the planet's survival as a pleasant habitat.

They're fine with it being all about Trump because they think he's all about them. They'll continue to think that until he does what he does and turns on them in some way--some erratic tarriff that cuts their business off at the knees, more "perfect" phone calls where he uses the power of the U.S. government to make himself or his kids richer while yelping like a spoiled puppy about Hunter Biden, and a few more nuke tests from his friend Kim.

Obi Wan Kenobi has left the building. Our only hope is that enough people get disgusted enough to vote him and his enblers out of office. Because, unless something changes, he's going to be able to create enough dust and noise to last til the election. And lots of these numbnuts will think that's a good outcome.
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Jinx 2 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.
Seriously, these guys are supporting a corrupt businessman who, before his election, used lawyers to get out of keeping his contractual commitments, who started a for-profit college that delivered only student debt, who is a serial adulterer and sexual harasser, and can't keep his big mouth shut now matter how high the stakes, because it's ALWAYS about him, 24/7, and everything else (except for his family, whom he views as an extention of himself) is a distant second, who expects the people who works for him to commit crimes on his behalf AND take the rap for it, and who is loyal to no one but immediate family but expects absolute loyalty from all who work for him, up to and including committing felonies.

Trump is a very, very bad president because he's a very, very bad man. And these guys won't acknowledge there's a problem even when he yanks us out of Syria like he's jerking the strings of a defective marionette.

So you don't need to defend youself to them. They obviously don't care how bad he is or how good you are. They have a vision for America that's sharply different from yours -- one where a few people getting theirs is a lot more important than our long-term survival as a vibrant, thriving democracy and the planet's survival as a pleasant habitat.

They're fine with it being all about Trump because they think he's all about them. They'll continue to think that until he does what he does and turns on them in some way--some erratic tarriff that cuts their business off at the knees, more "perfect" phone calls where he uses the power of the U.S. government to make himself or his kids richer while yelping like a spoiled puppy about Hunter Biden, and a few more nuke tests from his friend Kim.

Obi Wan Kenobi has left the building. Our only hope is that enough people get disgusted enough to vote him and his enblers out of office. Because, unless something changes, he's going to be able to create enough dust and noise to last til the election. And lots of these numbnuts will think that's a good outcome.


Yes. But how patriotic are you? Please answer in the form of your children who have gone to college, please.
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BrooksBearLives said:

Jinx 2 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.
Seriously, these guys are supporting a corrupt businessman who, before his election, used lawyers to get out of keeping his contractual commitments, who started a for-profit college that delivered only student debt, who is a serial adulterer and sexual harasser, and can't keep his big mouth shut now matter how high the stakes, because it's ALWAYS about him, 24/7, and everything else (except for his family, whom he views as an extention of himself) is a distant second, who expects the people who works for him to commit crimes on his behalf AND take the rap for it, and who is loyal to no one but immediate family but expects absolute loyalty from all who work for him, up to and including committing felonies.

Trump is a very, very bad president because he's a very, very bad man. And these guys won't acknowledge there's a problem even when he yanks us out of Syria like he's jerking the strings of a defective marionette.

So you don't need to defend youself to them. They obviously don't care how bad he is or how good you are. They have a vision for America that's sharply different from yours -- one where a few people getting theirs is a lot more important than our long-term survival as a vibrant, thriving democracy and the planet's survival as a pleasant habitat.

They're fine with it being all about Trump because they think he's all about them. They'll continue to think that until he does what he does and turns on them in some way--some erratic tarriff that cuts their business off at the knees, more "perfect" phone calls where he uses the power of the U.S. government to make himself or his kids richer while yelping like a spoiled puppy about Hunter Biden, and a few more nuke tests from his friend Kim.

Obi Wan Kenobi has left the building. Our only hope is that enough people get disgusted enough to vote him and his enblers out of office. Because, unless something changes, he's going to be able to create enough dust and noise to last til the election. And lots of these numbnuts will think that's a good outcome.


Yes. But how patriotic are you? Please answer in the form of your children who have gone to college, please.
I love my country enough that I cringe every day Trump is in office. He embarrasses us on a global scale on a daily basis. Other world leaders think he's more unhinged than Kim. I think they're right. I honestly hope a majority of my fellow Americans turn off Fox and start figuring out that we can't function in a small planet heading toward a big crisis through isolationism.
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BrooksBearLives said:

I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.


Interesting read.

Congratulations to your brother on graduating from West Point. Very impressive.

Do I understand you correctly ....you have remained at Baylor in one capacity or another since you received your undergraduate degree there ?
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Canada2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.


Interesting read.

Congratulations to your brother on graduating from West Point. Very impressive.

Do I understand you correctly ....you have remained at Baylor in one capacity or another since you received your undergraduate degree there ?
You are going to have to accept that some people find value in things you do not.

Kudos BBL.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

Canada2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

I have literally served my entire life. I am an Eagle Scout. I took the EMT course as an 18 year-old because the volunteer ambulance service in my hometown wasn't going to be able to keep its doors open and offering services. I put off leaving for college for a year in part because of that.

I was a state scholar and national merit finalist. I won multiple scholarships for my efforts to rebuild a baseball field in my hometown so that our tee-ball program could be re-started (it's a poor part of the state so I had to raise the money AND organize the work myself). That work helped me get my full-ride to Baylor.

While there, I was a community leader even though I had all my financial need met. Honestly, I did it because I missed my family and being a big brother. From there, I was given an assistantship that would pay for my Master's program. I graduated and turned down offers from multiple schools to stay in Texas and work for a campus that I felt I could help. I thought I'd be there for 3 years, it's been 13 (I've had 3 promotions/positions created for me in that time).

I work for students and parents who need help accessing all the benefits that college can provide. I literally help students graduate 24/7. Part of that is working in conduct and Title IX. In that, I have advocated for both complainants and respondents to try and help them through some of the worst times of their lives.

My father, brother, and 6 cousins have all served in the Military. My brother is a West Point grad. That was the plan for me until I lost my kidney and wasn't eligible for military service (cancer sucks).

I have served roles in my church's vestry, altar guild and serve as on the lector rotation. We're in church every Sunday. I've served with Big Brother/Big Sister, continue to help out with Boy Scouts, and have served as chair for the largest Safe Trick-or-Treat in the county, serving over 1,000 kids and families every year, free of charge.

And on top of that, I am a PhD student trying desperately to be a good father, christian, husband, son, brother, boss, and friend while attending classes two nights a week with a 2 hour commute. I don't sleep a lot.

I don't know how any of this makes me a better patriot or anything. I just know how much I've been given by this country. I won the lottery just by being born here. I feel we get the government we deserve. I just want us to deserve better.

Hopefully I've passed your bull**** test. If I haven't, I guess you'll have to learn to live with it.


Interesting read.

Congratulations to your brother on graduating from West Point. Very impressive.

Do I understand you correctly ....you have remained at Baylor in one capacity or another since you received your undergraduate degree there ?
You are going to have to accept that some people find value in things you do not.

Kudos BBL.


I have always accepted the values of others, as long as...

A. They put their own money where their mouth is.
B. Their 'values' do not hurt the members of my family or anyone I care about .

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quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

quash said:

Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

So. We really ****ed o we the Kurds, today.

How we feeling about that?
Just fine.
Seriously?

How do we build future alliances when we break treaties, sell out allies over a phone call, etc.?

This was a terrible, horrible, not very good thing. It was bad, m'kay?

If I were anybody but Putin I would never trust Trump.
Speaking of alliances, how does a NATO ally like Turkey trust us when we're supporting Kurdish extremists carrying out terrorist attacks within their borders? Such an arrangement is necessarily temporary. These Kurdish groups are not good people. We have no common interests with them other than defeating ISIS. They were well aware of the possibility that we'd withdraw, and they've prepared for it.
You take it up with NATO. Trump did not.

Unilateral action like this damages our ability to act for peace in the future.
What's there to take up with NATO? We've always agreed that any mission in the Middle East should have two priorities: kill terrorists and GTFO.
 
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