So... at what point do Republicans realize Trump is bad at this?

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9:00p, 9/27/19
For the sake of argument, I concede your point about Foxnews. Here though, you and every non-Foxnews media provider, every radical, and every democrat have been YELLING impeachment since before he was elected, despite having no evidence. Here, again, you have no evidence in which to ground impeachment.

You are a drooling fool that believes in 17 genders. You are irrelevant.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 9:03p, 9/27/19
I knew it was BBL you were referring to

Sure enough I looked at last page bottom and there he was
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 9:04p, 9/27/19
GrowlTowel said:
For the sake of argument, I concede your point about Foxnews. Here though, you and every non-Foxnews media provider, every radical, and every democrat have been YELLING impeachment since before he was elected, despite having no evidence. Here, again, you have no evidence in which to ground impeachment.

You are a drooling fool that believes in 17 genders. You are irrelevant.


Man. You are big time threatened. Your obsession with genders is... noted.

But the adults in the room are talking about our corrupt President. Stay on task.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 9:12p, 9/27/19
Face it, your kind has rendered the high road untenable and the stakes are too high given the existential threat posed by the neofascist left. Rejoice, some of us have joined you in your moral vacuum while playing the hand as dealt.
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In reply to curtpenn • 9:42p, 9/27/19
curtpenn said:
Face it, your kind has rendered the high road untenable and the stakes are too high given the existential threat posed by the neofascist left. Rejoice, some of us have joined you in your moral vacuum while playing the hand as dealt.


Yes. Yes. Yes. You ****ed up and it's everyone's fault. Got it.

Yawn.
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9:43p, 9/27/19
Oh look! The President's lawyer just brought in the Secretary of State!

Lmaoooooooo

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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 9:56p, 9/27/19
In your idiocy, feel free to label things however you prefer. Perhaps that will help you sleep better. I sense you're too thick to grasp that most of us who voted for Trump did so knowingly as opposed to having "f..ked up". That's really more a commentary on how far your kind as moved to the left and your inability to take credit for your creation, President Trump.
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9:58p, 9/27/19
You may like some of his policies and may be concerned about the socialist left. However, that doesn't assuage the fact that Trump's presidency is out of control. It's out of control because he is a malignant narcissist and sociopath, who doesn't have any moral convictions or regard for anyone but himself. At some point, Conservatives, Republicans, and the Christian Right have to own their hypocrisy in terms of their claims to high moral standards, and past moral outrages with prior presidents, if they continue to manufacture convoluted excuses for this morally bankrupt president. They are surrendering their claim to the high moral ground to the left.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 10:33p, 9/27/19
BrooksBearLives said:
He's not playing 3-dimensional chess.

He's a simple rich kid who has failed up his entire life.

He's going to ruin the party on his way out.
Tell me again what Obama accomplished?
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In reply to TexasScientist • 10:36p, 9/27/19
TexasScientist said:
You may like some of his policies and may be concerned about the socialist left. However, that doesn't assuage the fact that Trump's presidency is out of control. It's out of control because he is a malignant narcissist and sociopath, who doesn't have any moral convictions or regard for anyone but himself. At some point, Conservatives, Republicans, and the Christian Right have to own their hypocrisy in terms of their claims to high moral standards, and past moral outrages with prior presidents, if they continue to manufacture convoluted excuses for this morally bankrupt president. They are surrendering their claim to the high moral ground to the left.
It's 'out of control' in the press because cable news and liberal media is pushing the narrative 24/7. Anyone who watches these or reads these radical liberal news organizations would think Trump is Satan and the most incompetent person ever.

They are doing the EXACT same thing they did during Russia for 2 1/2 years and instead of admitting fault they double down on this new story w/ the exact same tactics that liberal followers eat up because they just want to hear bad things about Trump.

Is Trump w/out fault, of course not. But w/ social media this is absolutely insane what these news organizations are trying to do to our govt and the leftovers who are still loyal to the corrupt Obama administration officials are still doing inside our govt.
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11:03p, 9/27/19
A fallout resignation in Ukraine. Volker knows a bad/compromising situation so he resigns.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kurt-volker-trumps-envoy-for-ukraine-resigns/ar-AAHWYwV?li=BBnb7Kz
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In reply to riflebear • 11:04p, 9/27/19
riflebear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
He's not playing 3-dimensional chess.

He's a simple rich kid who has failed up his entire life.

He's going to ruin the party on his way out.
Tell me again what Obama accomplished?
Immaterial- dt is the President now and he did wrong.
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In reply to Waco1947 • 11:28p, 9/27/19
Waco1947 said:
riflebear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
He's not playing 3-dimensional chess.

He's a simple rich kid who has failed up his entire life.

He's going to ruin the party on his way out.
Tell me again what Obama accomplished?
Immaterial- dt is the President now and he did wrong.

You don't know right from wrong. You advocate for the murder of innocent babies in the womb.
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In reply to riflebear • 12:54a, 9/28/19
riflebear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
He's not playing 3-dimensional chess.

He's a simple rich kid who has failed up his entire life.

He's going to ruin the party on his way out.
Tell me again what Obama accomplished?


He entered office losing over a million jobs a month and turned that ruined economy around.

Yknow, yet another example of something someone else accomplished and Trump took credit for.

But none of that has anything to do with the fact you're deflecting because the guy YOU have been supporting is doing his darnedest to get himself impeached.

My issue with him from day one has been his lack of competence. He's a huckster con-artist and y'all have been fooled.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 5:49a, 9/28/19
TexasScientist said:
You may like some of his policies and may be concerned about the socialist left. However, that doesn't assuage the fact that Trump's presidency is out of control. It's out of control because he is a malignant narcissist and sociopath, who doesn't have any moral convictions or regard for anyone but himself. At some point, Conservatives, Republicans, and the Christian Right have to own their hypocrisy in terms of their claims to high moral standards, and past moral outrages with prior presidents, if they continue to manufacture convoluted excuses for this morally bankrupt president. They are surrendering their claim to the high moral ground to the left.


Dumb, just plain dumb

Only believes what he reads or propaganda he hears

Dumbed down intelligence
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6:00a, 9/28/19
TDS thread
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In reply to Florda_mike • 8:03a, 9/28/19
Florda_mike said:
TexasScientist said:
You may like some of his policies and may be concerned about the socialist left. However, that doesn't assuage the fact that Trump's presidency is out of control. It's out of control because he is a malignant narcissist and sociopath, who doesn't have any moral convictions or regard for anyone but himself. At some point, Conservatives, Republicans, and the Christian Right have to own their hypocrisy in terms of their claims to high moral standards, and past moral outrages with prior presidents, if they continue to manufacture convoluted excuses for this morally bankrupt president. They are surrendering their claim to the high moral ground to the left.


Dumb, just plain dumb

Only believes what he reads or propaganda he hears

Dumbed down intelligence
There is just no way to manufacture a Florda-proof Iron-O-Meter.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 8:53a, 9/28/19
TexasScientist said:
You may like some of his policies and may be concerned about the socialist left. However, that doesn't assuage the fact that Trump's presidency is out of control. It's out of control because he is a malignant narcissist and sociopath, who doesn't have any moral convictions or regard for anyone but himself. At some point, Conservatives, Republicans, and the Christian Right have to own their hypocrisy in terms of their claims to high moral standards, and past moral outrages with prior presidents, if they continue to manufacture convoluted excuses for this morally bankrupt president. They are surrendering their claim to the high moral ground to the left.


We are way past that point. They already have to own their hypocrisy.
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In reply to GoneGirl • 12:43p, 9/28/19
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 1:17p, 9/28/19
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 1:27p, 9/28/19
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.


As opposed to 0/5 of a person.

Democracy only works in the context of limits. Only an idiot would argue otherwise, so I am sure you would not argue otherwise.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 1:34p, 9/28/19
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.
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In reply to D. C. Bear • 7:07p, 9/28/19
D. C. Bear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.


As opposed to 0/5 of a person.

Democracy only works in the context of limits. Only an idiot would argue otherwise, so I am sure you would not argue otherwise.


Holy ***** That's a horrible take.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 7:08p, 9/28/19
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 7:18p, 9/28/19
BrooksBearLives said:
D. C. Bear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.


As opposed to 0/5 of a person.

Democracy only works in the context of limits. Only an idiot would argue otherwise, so I am sure you would not argue otherwise.


Holy ***** That's a horrible take.

I guess I was mistaken about that.
Democracy only works in the limiting context of the rule of law. Simply having a majority vote does not suffice. Lynching is democracy without limits. Thankfully, we have those limits.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 8:24p, 9/28/19
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.
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In reply to TexasScientist • 8:40p, 9/28/19
The baby killing collectivists of the left will never occupy the moral high ground regardless of the President's actions.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 11:51p, 9/28/19
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.


No, Sam. It wasn't. You have to know that by now. Even his own party is struggling to defend him on this. It wasn't legitimate. It could not be when you look at it in context.
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In reply to curtpenn • 7:26a, 9/29/19
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The baby killing collectivists of the left will never occupy the moral high ground regardless of the President's actions.
Trump can do anything because abortion.
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 7:26a, 9/29/19
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.


No, Sam. It wasn't. You have to know that by now. Even his own party is struggling to defend him on this. It wasn't legitimate. It could not be when you look at it in context.


It's really none of your, or any other democrats, business what our president did

But then the democrat party is just a bunch of cry babies that divide our family, the American people, and the cry babies may end up being our undoing
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In reply to BrooksBearLives • 7:58a, 9/29/19
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.


No, Sam. It wasn't. You have to know that by now. Even his own party is struggling to defend him on this. It wasn't legitimate. It could not be when you look at it in context.

Facts say otherwise. Your TDS blinds you and y'all will do anything to stop a legitimately elected president.
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7:58a, 9/29/19
Dems being cry babies and Trump abusing his power are not mutually exclusive.

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In reply to YoakDaddy • 8:30a, 9/29/19
YoakDaddy said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.


No, Sam. It wasn't. You have to know that by now. Even his own party is struggling to defend him on this. It wasn't legitimate. It could not be when you look at it in context.

Facts say otherwise. Your TDS blinds you and y'all will do anything to stop a legitimately elected president.


I'm sorry, but that's verifiably false. Pelosi had to be dragged to this kicking and screaming. If Dems were just out to get him, why wait this long?

It's telling that at this point you're not even defending specific things. Not even defending him.

You're just attacking the Democrats who are actually doing their constitutionally mandates job.

He got caught using his office to pressure another country to help his election prospects. He should be working for the people.

Not himself.
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In reply to Florda_mike • 8:39a, 9/29/19
Florda_mike said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.


No, Sam. It wasn't. You have to know that by now. Even his own party is struggling to defend him on this. It wasn't legitimate. It could not be when you look at it in context.


It's really none of your, or any other democrats, business what our president did

But then the democrat party is just a bunch of cry babies that divide our family, the American people, and the cry babies may end up being our undoing

There he goes again, denying citizens their rights over a political disagreement.

Go get your rubles.
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In reply to quash • 9:14a, 9/29/19
quash said:
Florda_mike said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
Jinx 2 said:
curtpenn said:
Democracy is over rated because of its over dependence on the quality of the demos. Biden and Kerry are up to their eyeballs in corruption, but pay no attention to that. Those of you in thrall to the party of neo-serfdom just can't stand individual liberty and will use any pretext to destroy our republic.
"Democracy is over-rated"???

This from the same poster who claims the DEMOCRATS are fascists?

And this post got 5 approval stars on a forum where most people purport to be Christians and good, freedom loving Americans and huff and puff about unlimited gun rights? (I guess some freedoms have more value than others.)

I can understand that you oppose some or even all of the policy positions Democrats generally support.

But the idea that "democracy is overrated" because a majority of Americans might not vote for the candidates and policies you support, and that this therefore justifies the sort of behavior Trump enaged it--using federal aid dollars (and don't you guys generally oppose foreign aid?) as leverage to get a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen realted to a political opponent--is downright Soviet.

And YOU are accusing the DEMOCRATS of being socialists and fascists?

Would you also support the institution of a gulag into which Trump could disappear his political enemies?

You certainly supported the institution of a gular into which refugee kids were disappeared.
Democracy terrified the Founders. That's why we have an electoral college, a bicameral legislature, and lifetime appointments for judges.


Aaaand blacks were only 3/5 a person.

The founders were a little stupid, too. Let's not fetishize them too much.
All political systems have their perils. Let's not fetishize any of them too much.


I wasn't fetishizing any of them. But thanks for agreeing with me.

The genius of the founders was that they knew they didn't know it all. That's why they baked in the ability to change.
Adding to what I said earlier about Trump. It looks more and more like the phone call was part of a legitimate inquiry regarding not only Biden but the whole origin of the Russia investigation. Trump has every right to do this even if it does happen to benefit him politically. It also appears that Congress considered passing a law that would have required him to release the funds, implying that this was not the case before. So I'll go on record: as the facts now stand, Trump did nothing wrong.


No, Sam. It wasn't. You have to know that by now. Even his own party is struggling to defend him on this. It wasn't legitimate. It could not be when you look at it in context.


It's really none of your, or any other democrats, business what our president did

But then the democrat party is just a bunch of cry babies that divide our family, the American people, and the cry babies may end up being our undoing

There he goes again, denying citizens their rights over a political disagreement.

Go get your rubles.


Thanks for your eval, you oh so good libertarian
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