BrooksBearLives said:
ATL Bear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
ATL Bear said:
I love the irony of the new found passion for the Kurds, when a couple years ago Trump arming them for the fight was widely critiqued (correctly so by the way) by the same media. And as expected, the Kurds, especially the YPG and PKK spent as much time attacking Turkish border towns as they did attacking ISIS in Syria. The Kurds have been trying to grab land militarily for decades. They could care less about US interests in Syria, Iraq, or Turkey.
Is it JUST possible that we just aren't a fan of stabbing our allies in the back because the President got rolled?
It doesn't matter if it's the Kurds, or your daughter's soccer team. The thing that's upsetting is that our President got PLAYED by a dictator into abandoning our own allies.
How do you sincerely KOT understand that?
Except when your ally wasn't really an ally and was stabbing you in the back? Is it then okay to not support your ally? Do abusive spouses get the pass because they are a spouse?
This isn't what you all are making it out to be. This isn't Britain in WWII. This is the equivalent to Mountain Afghan tribes when Russia invaded Afghanistan and we know where that got us. Hell, we're not even that committed.
Now, about that Arab Spring everyone was so excited about.
You keep saying that, but even Republicans know that's incorrect. It's absolutely false.
They WERE our allies. They wore OUR flags on their chests.
Even Mitch McConnell is calling this a nightmare and a mistake.
Is it possible HE knows something you don't? Or is it just TDS? Wake up.
https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-us-pullout-from-syria-sets-back-fight-against-terrorism-91585f24-efa1-4e53-94e3-d8a2ce8ebf6a.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100
Because politicians are never wrong....
I have to laugh at the idea of complaining (McConnell said this) about Russian and Iranian influence expanding in Syria when they've been influencing Syria FOR DECADES!! Russia's ONLY foreign naval base is in Syria and was built in the 70's. Iran has been a staple for decades in Syria via Hezbollah, and has Israel's itchy trigger finger going full blast as they've increased their al Quds military presence due to the civil war.
The reality is that the Obama Admin (Clinton at State) bet on Arab Spring momentum and saw an opportunity to destabilize Assad, thought, hey we can also F the Russians In the process, so started creating chaos not by fighting a war like you're supposed to, but a proxy war that sprinkled weapons to a whole bunch of previously rogue actors and calling them suddenly "allies". Meanwhile, they've got no loyalty except to Allah and their tribal land grabs and political interests.
So we begin fighting ISIS, who is a terrorist organization, and the Assad regime, who ironically is also fighting ISIS, with people who want to fight Assad because they want territory and/or a say/role in Syria, with the Russians and Iranians in the background who are propping up Assad, and fighting ISIS, and fighting some of the band of crazies we're supporting all the while pissing off Turkey who is a NATO ally by giving weapons to people that want to fight and take land from them. Hey let's complain about allowing Russia and Iran to continue to influence a place they've been for decades, by pissing off an actual strategic ally and maybe open the door for, I don't know, maybe Russia and Iran to have better relations with?
Maybe Trump's from the hip approach happened to actually work this time. Because what is probably happening is some State/Defense/intelligence bureaucrats who've been involved with this "let's arm the crazies" approach from the near get go are being faced with the failure of their strategy and it's going to prevent them from the next promotion or assignment because they have to clean up a mess they were involved with. Thankfully, this mess hasn't cost us a bunch of American lives.
It's a Gordian Knot of alphabet soup Islamic groups with massive conflicts of objectives fighting over scraps in the desert so we can what? Fight a terrorist organization who is already at war with the people we want to try and increase our influence with in a country we never had any influence in? Standing on the sidelines is THE ONLY appropriate action. Stop playing the politics game and play the pragmatist game. This is a horrible hill to make a stand on.
