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Bona Fide Bear said:

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It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.

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1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

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boognish_bear said:

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Redshirt frosh...so these are CMR recruits

Sexual assault report involving BU athletes investigated

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018
WACO, Texas (KWTX) At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with a sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.


The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm that, but we haven't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees, but did not get a direct answer.

The university also has not answered a question about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

Jason Cook, Baylor University VP Marketing & Communications, sent an email to KWTX via e-mail late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

The two redacted reports with which we were provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.

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Robemcdo said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Surprised that BU hasn't already come out with some type of response before this starts spiraling out of control in the media.

Surely they have a response prepared...

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I'm sure it will involve placing the blame on the former athletic director

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Robemcdo said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Surprised that BU hasn't already come out with some type of response before this starts spiraling out of control in the media.

Surely they have a response prepared...

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I'm sure it will involve placing the blame on the former athletic director

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Uh, under Ian, we would have never heard about this, remember?

He knew how to sweep it under the rug.

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Bona Fide Bear said:

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It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.

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PartyBear said:

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What is the status of the players? Eventually this is what the media is going to probe the hell out of. The answer to that better be a good one and it better had happened back at the end of November and not last night.

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Keyser Soze said:

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PartyBear said:

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What is the status of the players? Eventually this is what the media is going to probe the hell out of. The answer to that better be a good one and it better had happened back at the end of November and not last night.

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This is a problem for us consumers of information. Baylor is not, and should not, be commenting about such investigations. Without a criminal proceeding we are left with leaked information that a Title IX level incident has even started. Only if a player is removed from campus might we learn more.

..... right or wrong, information voids get filled up quickly around here

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Bro said:

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What I want is some more specific information. Just what, exactly, did these two guys do to the horses? And did the horses agree, or even lead them on? And were the horses drunk when this happened?

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NoBSU said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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PartyBear said:

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What is the status of the players? Eventually this is what the media is going to probe the hell out of. The answer to that better be a good one and it better had happened back at the end of November and not last night.

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This is a problem for us consumers of information. Baylor is not, and should not, be commenting about such investigations. Without a criminal proceeding we are left with leaked information that a Title IX level incident has even started. Only if a player is removed from campus might we learn more.

..... right or wrong, information voids get filled up quickly around here

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Well, there are a lot of special people here. And a lot of people hoping to gain by stirring stuff up.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Rhule has started out with more than any head coach in Baylor's history of any sport-- by a mile. He has also done less with more than any coach in the modern era of college football...and he just made the exact same "mistake" his predecessor made and was fired for.

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Robemcdo said:

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A lawyer in a civil suit said so therefore it's true

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Doc Holliday said:

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xiledinok said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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xiledinok said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Rhule has started out with more than any head coach in Baylor's history of any sport-- by a mile. He has also done less with more than any coach in the modern era of college football...and he just made the exact same "mistake" his predecessor made and was fired for.

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He didn't report it? Tell us what they did similar? The media reads these boards. You might actually gain traction or you could be dismissed as the face of rape. Here's your chance to fill in the media. Don't choke like the Cotton or Party Bowl.

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CAB was never guilty of not reporting anything. Show me the proof.

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Tell us what they did similar?

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They were both head coaches while allegations of sexual assault were made on their players.

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Lord, is that what you plan to hang onto? Seems the football coaches turned it over and left it alone (not trying to influence decisions).
Art did report it to Ian and they both were trying to keep things away from judicial affairs. Is that reporting it?

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Art did report it to Ian and they both were trying to keep things away from judicial affairs

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Got any proof of that?

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xiledinok said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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xiledinok said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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xiledinok said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Rhule has started out with more than any head coach in Baylor's history of any sport-- by a mile. He has also done less with more than any coach in the modern era of college football...and he just made the exact same "mistake" his predecessor made and was fired for.

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He didn't report it? Tell us what they did similar? The media reads these boards. You might actually gain traction or you could be dismissed as the face of rape. Here's your chance to fill in the media. Don't choke like the Cotton or Party Bowl.

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CAB was never guilty of not reporting anything. Show me the proof.

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Tell us what they did similar?

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They were both head coaches while allegations of sexual assault were made on their players.

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Lord, is that what you plan to hang onto? Seems the football coaches turned it over and left it alone (not trying to influence decisions).
Art did report it to Ian and they both were trying to keep things away from judicial affairs. Is that reporting it?

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Art did report it to Ian and they both were trying to keep things away from judicial affairs

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Got any proof of that?

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Those evil text messages. What a better way to find out information than to look on company phones!

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xiledinok said:

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Robemcdo said:

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A lawyer in a civil suit said so therefore it's true

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Are these new women lying *****s like last time or was that a line to protect Ian and the former disgraced regime?

Robe, Rusty blew up your boys with a couple of cards. What if he's waiting to dump more to protect his clients?

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Malbec said:

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xiledinok said:

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Robemcdo said:

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A lawyer in a civil suit said so therefore it's true

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Are these new women lying *****s like last time or was that a line to protect Ian and the former disgraced regime?

Robe, Rusty blew up your boys with a couple of cards. What if he's waiting to dump more to protect his clients?

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It appears that these girls aren't accusing anyone of assault. It was being turned into actresses to which they object.

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NoBSU said:

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Malbec said:

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xiledinok said:

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Robemcdo said:

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A lawyer in a civil suit said so therefore it's true

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Are these new women lying *****s like last time or was that a line to protect Ian and the former disgraced regime?

Robe, Rusty blew up your boys with a couple of cards. What if he's waiting to dump more to protect his clients?

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It appears that these girls aren't accusing anyone of assault. It was being turned into actresses to which they object.

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Even that is rumor until there are charges. So, I guess we wait.

I don't get the video desire. I get that it is easy to do. Is it to brag/share or to have your own special porn? I show you what I did and you show me what you did and I probably never will?

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xiledinok said:

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Robemcdo said:

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A lawyer in a civil suit said so therefore it's true

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Are these new women lying *****s like last time or was that a line to protect Ian and the former disgraced regime?

Robe, Rusty blew up your boys with a couple of cards. What if he's waiting to dump more to protect his clients?

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