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boognish_bear
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NoBSU said:

boognish_bear said:

NoBSU said:

boognish_bear said:

xiledinok said:

boognish_bear said:

From my quick scouring of Twitter this has actually gotten a lot less media attention then I would've predicted so far
Old news and their is no cover up. There is your rating sweeps story to make it breaking news on KWTX.


I have seen a few ppl saying this is old news....was there a news story in Nov about 2 BU fball players being accused of SA? I have never heard a peep about this
Sicem free board thread..


Was it a thread dedicated to the story Or did it come up inside a thread about something else? I don't remember ever seeing it
Thread by one of the usual suspects trying to hurt Rhule. A couple of attempts on the free board were deleted. I think it was discussed on the premium board free what I read from premium posters.


OK.thanks for the info....Somehow I missed all of it.


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bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yog said:


Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
https://247sports.com/Player/Cordell-Dorsey-14202/high-school-14778

https://www.ourdailybears.com/baylor-football-recruiting-2014/2014/2/20/5431216/2014-olb-commit-cordell-dorsey-cleared-of-charges


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BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.
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bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
pretty sure his 2 brothers, tommy and jimmy were in the bugwb....
bear2be2
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Yogi said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
What crime has Cordell Dorsey ever been convicted of? What reason did the other programs back off? Every successful program takes a chance on a kid now and then. I am just not Baptist enough to judge anyone and everyone who has been arrested to be "bad dudes." And, maybe Art Briles or someone in his staff was just trying to give someone an opportunity to redeem themselves. (And how Christian is that?)
A lot of you people have no idea what you're talking about on this situation. But feel free to talk as though you do. Cordell Dorsey, whether guilty of child molestation or not, was a risky take. I'll leave it at that.
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57Bear said:

bear2be2 said:


Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
By saying "None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end", are you inferring that Briles was but that Cordell chose ACU over Baylor?

Cordell didn't choose ACU over Baylor. He spent his redshirt season at Baylor, before washing out for undisclosed reasons, and tried -- and failed -- to catch on at ACU after that. He didn't even make it through his first camp, if I recall correctly.
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BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.
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oldbear69 said:

bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
pretty sure his 2 brothers, tommy and jimmy were in the bugwb....
Actually, this is his brother.

https://arrestfacts.com/Cortez-Dorsey-206l34
NoBSU
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bear2be2 said:

oldbear69 said:

bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
pretty sure his 2 brothers, tommy and jimmy were in the bugwb....
Actually, this is his brother.

https://arrestfacts.com/Cortez-Dorsey-206l34
Dang, has he made a career out of alleged Sexual Assault?
bear2be2
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NoBSU said:

bear2be2 said:

oldbear69 said:

bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
pretty sure his 2 brothers, tommy and jimmy were in the bugwb....
Actually, this is his brother.

https://arrestfacts.com/Cortez-Dorsey-206l34
Dang, has he made a career out of alleged Sexual Assault?
Those could all be for the same case. He's currently in prison for raping a prostitute.
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bear2be2 said:

NoBSU said:

bear2be2 said:

oldbear69 said:

bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
pretty sure his 2 brothers, tommy and jimmy were in the bugwb....
Actually, this is his brother.

https://arrestfacts.com/Cortez-Dorsey-206l34
Dang, has he made a career out of alleged Sexual Assault?
Those could all be for the same case. He's currently in prison for raping a prostitute.
Can't say I have ever heard of that one. So he stiffed her?
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NoBSU said:

bear2be2 said:

NoBSU said:

bear2be2 said:

oldbear69 said:

bearlyafarmer said:

bear2be2 said:

Yogi said:

Bona Fide Bear said:

It's amazing how many of you are missing the point. These kinds of things are going to happen at every school. But what Briles did wrong is he let sexual assault allegations that he was made aware of never leave his office (or people within his staff). And tangently, Briles May have taken higher risk chances on guys. So unless Rhule tried to hide these allegations and unless Rhule brought in guys with questionable character, the situations aren't the same. Plain and simple.
1. There certainly are questions as to how Briles handled complaints from accusers who chose to report the alleged crime to the football coach rather than to the university, the university police department, local PD, a doctor, a SANE nurse, etc.

2. I don't know how things are now at Baylor, but when I was at Baylor, the head football coach was not held responsible for the actions of students who were not on the football team. At Baylor, most of the accused WERE NOT football players. So, the issue wasn't really how Briles handled alleged sexual assault cases as it was how Baylor University handled Title IX cases and then responded to media sensationalism.

3. Art Briles targeted the same recruits as every other football coach. Heck, by 2016, he didn't require bad players on the football team. He was getting almost all of the recruits he was targeting in the first place. And, how do you know who the bad apples are? A criminal record? Remember that juvenile records are sealed. Briles never recruited a recruit with an adult record in his 8 years at Baylor. Are you implying that the head football coach has a duty to interview a potential recruit's family, friends, teachers and other witnesses in determining what kind of kid he is? Does Baylor University? Or is an allegation that Briles went after "bad dudes" really a racist dog whistle for going after minority recruits from poorer neighborhoods?

Let's be brutally honest, here, Art Briles was going after the same athletes as Gary Patterson, Mack Brown, Mike Leach, etc.

None of those other guys were recruiting Cordell Dorsey at the end. I know that for a fact.
I follow BU recruiting but have never until this moment heard of Cordell Dorsey. Please expand.
pretty sure his 2 brothers, tommy and jimmy were in the bugwb....
Actually, this is his brother.

https://arrestfacts.com/Cortez-Dorsey-206l34
Dang, has he made a career out of alleged Sexual Assault?
Those could all be for the same case. He's currently in prison for raping a prostitute.
Can't say I have ever heard of that one. So he stiffed her?
No, it was a pretty nasty case from what I understand -- and one to which he plead guilty.
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oldbear69 said:

boognish_bear said:





BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.



It looks like criminal charges are pending, which is the proper way to handle any sexual assault allegation. Livingstone is quite right to offer no comments while criminal charges are pending.
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BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.



It looks like criminal charges are pending, which is the proper way to handle any sexual assault allegation. Livingstone is quite right to offer no comments while criminal charges are pending.
Even if there were no criminal charges pending, it would still be inappropriate for the president of the university to be publicly commenting on the specifics of a Title IX case. We also don't know what discipline may have been given to any students involved as student discipline is not a matter of public record. Furthermore, we don't even know with certainty if the case before the grand jury is the same as the case described in the story or not.
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JXL said:

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BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.



It looks like criminal charges are pending, which is the proper way to handle any sexual assault allegation. Livingstone is quite right to offer no comments while criminal charges are pending.
Even if there were no criminal charges pending, it would still be inappropriate for the president of the university to be publicly commenting on the specifics of a Title IX case. We also don't know what discipline may have been given to any students involved as student discipline is not a matter of public record. Furthermore, we don't even know with certainty if the case before the grand jury is the same as the case described in the story or not.
What a trainwreck. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and we are nearly 2 years removed from May 26, 2016 when everything was supposed to get better.
"There were a number of us just crying out to God." - Baylor Regent Dennis Wiles

During the meeting, one of the regents started crying and pounding on the table, saying "Not my Baylor," and "Why do we have to listen to any more of this?"
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Tommy_Lou_Ramsower said:

D. C. Bear said:

JXL said:

oldbear69 said:

boognish_bear said:





BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.



It looks like criminal charges are pending, which is the proper way to handle any sexual assault allegation. Livingstone is quite right to offer no comments while criminal charges are pending.
Even if there were no criminal charges pending, it would still be inappropriate for the president of the university to be publicly commenting on the specifics of a Title IX case. We also don't know what discipline may have been given to any students involved as student discipline is not a matter of public record. Furthermore, we don't even know with certainty if the case before the grand jury is the same as the case described in the story or not.
What a trainwreck. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and we are nearly 2 years removed from May 26, 2016 when everything was supposed to get better.
Not sure that exciting the Briles extended family, paid agents, loyalists, hanger-ons, Ian groupies, and Baylor home-grown trolls is damned.
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But dismissing then is.
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But dismissing then is.




You saying that Ramsower is Luca?
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So far BU's public comments seem on par with what OU was saying when Rodney Anderson got accused...which is basically...we are waiting to let our process work out.

Of course....OU put their process in the microwave since they had a CFP game coming in a few weeks.
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Nobsu, they are still running a jv p.r. campaign to go after the school.
"Not a football problem but a school problem."
I guess they don't get it that most Americans understand it but aren't interested in anything but football.
The media reads these boards and reads through their agenda while still following them and writing stories.
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I think you way over inflate your importance and the significance of these boards. The national media is not glued to this board looking for stories about Baylor. They just arent. There arent even stories really in the media about Baylor and havent been for 18 months until late last week and it was a local story.
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PartyBear said:

I think you way over inflate your importance and the significance of these boards. The national media is not glued to this board looking for stories about Baylor. They just arent. There arent even stories really in the media about Baylor and havent been for 18 months until late last week and it was a local story.
You give the media to much credit for original content. We can agree to disagree.
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Keyser Soze said:

Yogi said:

Keyser Soze said:

I bet you killed it at "I'm rubber you're glue" as a kid



t
We all know the answer. The question itself is just doubling down on conspiracy.

It is the moving target that is the butt hurt conspiracy theorist.

We demand to know - they are told (FofF)
We demand details - they are given details (WSJ)
We demand more details - they are given more details (Shillinglaw)

Now it's we demand you prove those details are real. It will never stop, it will only move.

Unless there is a massive JFK like information dump in the future we are never going to see all the original docs. So it comes down to can the regents back up what they released. Cannon, Briles, Shillinglaw, and even BLR all behave as if the information they provided can. And the guys in the black T-shirts can stomp their feet as say can not.

kinda rubber / glue like




















the fact that you don't think that the BOR cherry picked, without providing any context a few texts that they knew would put Briles in the worst possible light is just staggering. Given their conduct beginning with the WSJ article you should be shocked if they didn't....

but then you still cling to trying to keep a freshman with a beer in his first week on campus away from judicial affairs equals Briles MUST have covered up rape so...
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

Yogi said:

Keyser Soze said:

I bet you killed it at "I'm rubber you're glue" as a kid



t
We all know the answer. The question itself is just doubling down on conspiracy.

It is the moving target that is the butt hurt conspiracy theorist.

We demand to know - they are told (FofF)
We demand details - they are given details (WSJ)
We demand more details - they are given more details (Shillinglaw)

Now it's we demand you prove those details are real. It will never stop, it will only move.

Unless there is a massive JFK like information dump in the future we are never going to see all the original docs. So it comes down to can the regents back up what they released. Cannon, Briles, Shillinglaw, and even BLR all behave as if the information they provided can. And the guys in the black T-shirts can stomp their feet as say can not.

kinda rubber / glue like




















the fact that you don't think that the BOR cherry picked, without providing any context a few texts that they knew would put Briles in the worst possible light is just staggering. Given their conduct beginning with the WSJ article you should be shocked if they didn't....

but then you still cling to trying to keep a freshman with a beer in his first week on campus away from judicial affairs equals Briles MUST have covered up rape so...
What do you mean by cherry picked?

of course they selected specific text, no one give a **** about the text to pick up the milk. When the say "just keep him away from Judicial Affairs" are your trying to imply his surprise birthday party was at Judicial Affairs and they didn't want to spoil it. How much ridiculous apology can you spew.

The text presented showed a clear pattern of not reporting things that should be reported, the specifics beyond that are not really important.

What should they have done.? Shown text when he was following the rules too? Even the worst of criminals do not engage in criminal activity most of the time.

Worst possible light - you bet. That is what gets you fired. That is what inquiring minds wanted to know. You just don't like what you were told.

An no, those text are not used to draw a conclusion about knowing assaults were not reported. That was primarily testimony and emails and it is not a drawn conclusion of any kind.




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and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more

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Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
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BU president declines to comment on rape investigation

Rissa ShawThu 9:42 PM, Feb 15, 2018

WACO, Texas (KWTX) Baylor University President Dr. Linda Livingstone declined to answer specific questions Friday about a sexual assault case that sources with direct knowledge of the situation say involves football players and female athletes.


Baylor President Dr. Linda Livingstone. (Baylor University photo)
At least two redshirt Baylor football players are being investigated in connection with the sexual assault report involving members of the school's Equestrian team, according to several sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Livingstone was asked about the investigation during a news conference Friday after a meeting of the Baylor Board of Regents.

She said she could not comment specifically, but said the school has worked hard to put processes in place to ensure that such cases are handled expeditiously, confidentially and fairly.

"We have a really good process in place, we believe, to evaluate when allegations are made what is the appropriate way to handle that student during the process while it's being investigated," Livingstone said.

Until we know the outcome of that case, we follow those very carefully and believe they are fair and consistent for the students they impact."

Members of the school's Equestrian team were summoned through a text to a mandatory team meeting at 3 p.m. Friday.

The team and its coaches aren't talking publicly about the alleged incident, either.

"We aren't talking," head coach Casie Maxwell said.

"We've taken a department stance on it."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

According to one of the Baylor police reports KWTX obtained about the incident, the case was referred to another agency, but the report did not identify the agency.

Late Friday afternoon, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna confirmed that the Baylor Police Department has referred a case to his office for possible grand jury review.

He stopped short of saying whether it was the same case described in the police reports.

"I can confirm BPD has submitted a case to our office as a grand jury referral," Reyna told KWTX.

"We are reviewing that case and intend to present it to the grand jury as requested to determine what, if any, criminal conduct may have occurred."

The incident allegedly occurred at the University Parks Apartments near campus overnight on Nov. 11 into the early morning hours of Nov. 12 after the Baylor football team lost to Texas Tech at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.

Baylor's online crime log says the incident was reported on Nov. 14 as "Alcohol-Minors Consuming/Sexual Assault," and was referred to the school's Judicial Affairs and Title IX offices, but the two heavily redacted police reports obtained by KWTX say only that campus officers took a report of a sexual assault.

Those reports are both dated Nov. 17.

The discrepancy isn't explained.

The reportsone an incident report and the other a criminal case reportidentify the complainant as Jane Doe 2 and the victim as Jane Doe.

Both are students and four to five sources familiar with the incident say both are members of the schools equestrian team.

The reports indicate four suspects were interviewedall of them students.

At least two of them were redshirt football players, the sources say.

No arrests have been made and no charges have been filed, but the reports indicate the investigation is active.

The criminal case report indicates that pictures and images were taken into evidence, and sources say that video was recorded of the incident and may have been posted on social media.

That video, the sources say, is now in the hands of Title IX investigators at the university.

KWTX asked the school to confirm the information, but hasn't gotten an answer.

The reports also show that at least four witnesses identified as Baylor faculty or staff members were interviewed.

We asked the university whether those individuals were athletic department employees or coaches, but did not get a direct response.

The university has also not answered questions about the status of the two players, who, as redshirts, would not have been on the field, but typically would have stood on the sidelines at home games.

After the incident was reported, Baylor played Iowa State at home on Nov.18 before finishing the season at TCU on Nov. 25.

Jason Cook, Baylor University's vice president for marketing & communications, sent an email to KWTX late Thursday night apologizing for the delayed response, and said, "Your questions below involve federal guidelines related to student privacy and confidentiality; thus, we are unable to address them at this time."

About 40 minutes after Cook's email, another top official in the university's communications department sent a statement.

"Baylor University takes any allegation of sexual assault seriously," said Lori Fogleman, the school's assistant vice president for media communications.

"The University is unwavering in our commitment to follow our well-documented Title IX policy and procedures in regards to reporting and responding to incidents of sexual assault. Additionally, the university is required to protect the confidentiality of all parties involved to ensure a fair and equitable process."

"The responsibility of responding to alleged incidents of sexual violence does not rest solely in the hands of any specific individual or unit. It is a university response dictated by our Title IX policy. Baylor University remains committed to providing for the safety and security of our campus community."

The two redacted reports with which KWTX was provided in response to an open records request didn't come directly from the university or its police department, but instead through an Austin law firm, Bickerstaff-Heath-Delgado-Acosta.

The law firm said that's standard practice.

The firm's website says its services include advising clients on open records requests involving sensitive information.



It looks like criminal charges are pending, which is the proper way to handle any sexual assault allegation. Livingstone is quite right to offer no comments while criminal charges are pending.
Even if there were no criminal charges pending, it would still be inappropriate for the president of the university to be publicly commenting on the specifics of a Title IX case. We also don't know what discipline may have been given to any students involved as student discipline is not a matter of public record. Furthermore, we don't even know with certainty if the case before the grand jury is the same as the case described in the story or not.


worked great the first time around........oh wait..
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boognish_bear said:

From my quick scouring of Twitter this has actually gotten a lot less media attention then I would've predicted so far


Our football team sucks. No one cares about a team that won 1 game.
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
The obligation was to report to Judicial Affairs - Briles was also aware his superior was also not reporting it.

There is plenty of context if you want to take the time to find it - I'm not you your Wikipedia
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Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
The obligation was to report to Judicial Affairs - Briles was also aware his superior was also not reporting it.

There is plenty of context if you want to take the time to find it - I'm not you your Wikipedia

there is plenty if your aim is to paint Briles as evil.

I imagine I could pull out six texts from just about anybody over the last 6 years and make them look pretty bad
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
The obligation was to report to Judicial Affairs - Briles was also aware his superior was also not reporting it.

There is plenty of context if you want to take the time to find it - I'm not you your Wikipedia

there is plenty if your aim is to paint Briles as evil.

I imagine I could pull out six texts from just about anybody over the last 6 years and make them look pretty bad

You do know there is a whole lot more than those six text right?

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Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
The obligation was to report to Judicial Affairs - Briles was also aware his superior was also not reporting it.

There is plenty of context if you want to take the time to find it - I'm not you your Wikipedia

there is plenty if your aim is to paint Briles as evil.

I imagine I could pull out six texts from just about anybody over the last 6 years and make them look pretty bad

You do know there is a whole lot more than those six text right?


why not release the entire thread?

it's obvious they want Briles to look bad to deflect attention onto him and away from the BOR and folks like you are more than willing to help them... why not show the entire conversation instead of just those cherry picked text messages?
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
80sBEAR
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Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
The obligation was to report to Judicial Affairs - Briles was also aware his superior was also not reporting it.

There is plenty of context if you want to take the time to find it - I'm not you your Wikipedia

there is plenty if your aim is to paint Briles as evil.

I imagine I could pull out six texts from just about anybody over the last 6 years and make them look pretty bad

You do know there is a whole lot more than those six text right?


I hope we get to see them all. Including the BOR's.
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80sBEAR said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

and your posts like this is why the simple minded on here will say as fact that Briles covered up rape....never let it leave the office... even though there is no proof that this ever happened.

1 week freshman with a beer doesn't equal rape cover up.


and yes the texts were cherry picked and without the entire conversation mean little...


the milk? Grow up


There is only no proof to butt hurt crowd, but you have been told what it is - you just double down on conspiracy.

Briles discussed it with Barnes and McCaw - all three acknowledge this, and yes it really didn't leave the office. Assistant coaches met with the mother. Assistant coaches met with players. Nothing happened.

In all fairness and full disclosures to those who don't read a lot. There is mixed opinions as to what coaches thought was the correct obligation to report this at the time. Barnes incorrectly thought the victim must report this to JA. Briles claims to think the same, but PH believed otherwise because of his knowledge of an other ongoing case he was aware of.


They also provided enough context for the text messages only an apologist would say they mean nothing without more


When this was brought to Briles weren't 3 of the perps already out of school and the 4th on his way out? Hadn't the incident already been reported to Briles superior in Athletics?

There is no context provided only a schill would think so
The obligation was to report to Judicial Affairs - Briles was also aware his superior was also not reporting it.

There is plenty of context if you want to take the time to find it - I'm not you your Wikipedia

there is plenty if your aim is to paint Briles as evil.

I imagine I could pull out six texts from just about anybody over the last 6 years and make them look pretty bad

You do know there is a whole lot more than those six text right?


I hope we get to see them all. Including the BOR's.

How does that further the Briles is Dr. Mengala and BOR is Churchy, Churchy, Blameless, Sweet Boys?
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
 
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