War with Iran?

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Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

Does anyone know what was the pretext of Cruz going on his podcast? Did Cruz realize it would be potentially combative. He does not seem well prepared for what came his way.



That was pretty stupid reason from Cruz but Tucker's schtick is old

"What does that mean? how do you define Israel? I'm so confused. Explain it to me like i'm a 5 year old"

Well love him or hate him... Tucker has put out the most interesting and provocative interviews over the last decade.

No matter what decision Trump ultimately makes about Iran, I hope we see Tucker interview Trump again in the near future. I think it would be a fascinating conversation, and not entirely genteel.
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You don't need biblical justification to decide that people who have been saying death to America for the last few decades don't get to have a nuclear weapon. And if you're not sure whether they are reasonably close to having one, but they want one, and they won't be transparent, it's fine to bomb their ass to ensure that they don't get one. Jesus did not tell me that. I just decided it.
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boognish_bear said:

Does anyone know what was the pretext of Cruz going on his podcast? Did Cruz realize it would be potentially combative. He does not seem well prepared for what came his way.



He had a newsletter Tucker wrote a week ago printed out and in his coat pocket....
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The_barBEARian said:


Claude make me a video of angry white men in rural environments saying they won't fight for Israel or foreign countries. Include references to fighting for America,. Cursing is allowed…
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.




I blame the Israeli government and it's intelligence apparatus for Epstein. I blame the Zelensky regime for the misdeeds of Ukraine in that part of the world. If China attacks Taiwan, it will be the fault of the CCP, not "the Chinese."

A mature observer is able to distinguish between the actions of a government and the entirety of the population that lives there.

The real question is why you want to conflate criticism of the Israeli government with antisemitism. I suspect it has a lot to do with your flawed Half Lindsey eschatology. "Left Behind" was a work of fiction, not a foreign policy manual.

As far as the generational question, this is probably a good time to point out that Gen X is the only generation that Trump won as a cohort. If Boomers, Millennials, and Gen Z voters were the only ones voting, we would be talking about President Kamala Harris right now. What's more, Trump's lead among Gen X voters was big enough to overcome Harris' lead in the other three voting blocks.
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"There has only been one single piece of footage I've personally seen that could indicate Israeli jets just barely skirted Iranian territory, wherein it looked like possible JDAMS were dropped on Kermanshah, which is just barely over 100km+ from the Iranian border:

JDAMS typically have a range of 25-50km, though the JDAM-ER can do 75km+ but it's uncertain if Israel possesses it. This strike could have represented Israeli jets getting a few miles over the border, but that's about as far as they're willing to go.

The big question is: why?

Because Israel has not yet degraded Iranian long range air defense whatsoever. The only videos of strikes Israel has shown were on a small handful of ancient Mim-23 Hawks, short-range Karmin-2, and the short-medium range Khordad systems. Nothing like the S-300-equivalent Bavar-373 has been attritioned at all, though Israel "claims" they have wiped out some made-up percentage of Iranian AD with zero substantiation.

It appears likely that Iran has withdrawn much of its longer, serious AD systems further east toward Isfahan and beyond in anticipation of large-scale US bombing strikes. This would be in accordance with an actual report of the withdrawal of heavy missile launchers to the same region, which are likewise being targeted by Israeli strikes.

Recall that Israel was never capable of even overflying Syrian territory, which had far weaker AD than IranIsrael bombed Syria from behind Mount Lebanon. Only after Jolani took over was Israel finally able to destroy the unmanned and abandoned Syrian AD network. Further, recall Israel had to fly its F-35s mere meters above the ground in Jordan during previous strikes against Iran, with reports claiming:

"The moment Israeli F-35I Adir fighter jets fly at extremely low altitude over Jordanian territory to avoid radar before striking Tehran."

Similarly, the US is incapable of overflying Yemen, and must launch stand off strikes lest the F-35s get "almost shot down" again when they approach too close to the border. Thus, Israel certainly is not at the moment capable of overflying Iran beyond, possibly, some small incursions just past the border."

Thoughrs from a knowledgeable observer.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.



November 2024
Not over a year ago

You've had three opportunities to defend the statement and each time you deflect.

If a separate thread is started over who killed Christ, will you deflect, run or participate?

YOU want folks to defend their positions. Are you willing to defend your position?
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Redbrickbear said:


That get's high marks for creativity...
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Realitybites said:

"There has only been one single piece of footage I've personally seen that could indicate Israeli jets just barely skirted Iranian territory, wherein it looked like possible JDAMS were dropped on Kermanshah, which is just barely over 100km+ from the Iranian border:

JDAMS typically have a range of 25-50km, though the JDAM-ER can do 75km+ but it's uncertain if Israel possesses it. This strike could have represented Israeli jets getting a few miles over the border, but that's about as far as they're willing to go.

The big question is: why?

Because Israel has not yet degraded Iranian long range air defense whatsoever. The only videos of strikes Israel has shown were on a small handful of ancient Mim-23 Hawks, short-range Karmin-2, and the short-medium range Khordad systems. Nothing like the S-300-equivalent Bavar-373 has been attritioned at all, though Israel "claims" they have wiped out some made-up percentage of Iranian AD with zero substantiation.

It appears likely that Iran has withdrawn much of its longer, serious AD systems further east toward Isfahan and beyond in anticipation of large-scale US bombing strikes. This would be in accordance with an actual report of the withdrawal of heavy missile launchers to the same region, which are likewise being targeted by Israeli strikes.

Recall that Israel was never capable of even overflying Syrian territory, which had far weaker AD than IranIsrael bombed Syria from behind Mount Lebanon. Only after Jolani took over was Israel finally able to destroy the unmanned and abandoned Syrian AD network. Further, recall Israel had to fly its F-35s mere meters above the ground in Jordan during previous strikes against Iran, with reports claiming:

"The moment Israeli F-35I Adir fighter jets fly at extremely low altitude over Jordanian territory to avoid radar before striking Tehran."

Similarly, the US is incapable of overflying Yemen, and must launch stand off strikes lest the F-35s get "almost shot down" again when they approach too close to the border. Thus, Israel certainly is not at the moment capable of overflying Iran beyond, possibly, some small incursions just past the border."

Thoughrs from a knowledgeable observer.


LOL!!!! No.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:




lol. Angry over a strawman.
Harrison Bergeron
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:




lol. Angry over a strawman.
What moron keeps coming up with the fake "apartheid" and "genocide" crap ... that's how you know they're LWNJs - histrionics not based in fact.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:




lol. Angry over a strawman.
What moron keeps coming up with the fake "apartheid" and "genocide" crap ... that's how you know they're LWNJs - histrionics not based in fact.
It is amazing how much the Woke Right shares in common with the Woke Left. Both prone to hysterics and unreasoned positions.
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The_barBEARian said:

Jack Bauer said:

boognish_bear said:

Does anyone know what was the pretext of Cruz going on his podcast? Did Cruz realize it would be potentially combative. He does not seem well prepared for what came his way.



That was pretty stupid reason from Cruz but Tucker's schtick is old

"What does that mean? how do you define Israel? I'm so confused. Explain it to me like i'm a 5 year old"

Well love him or hate him... Tucker has put out the most interesting and provocative interviews over the last decade.

No matter what decision Trump ultimately makes about Iran, I hope we see Tucker interview Trump again in the near future. I think it would be a fascinating conversation, and not entirely genteel.
I will give you provocative, but not very interesting, unless kissing the ass of dictators and authoritarians is your thing.
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Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.




I blame the Israeli government and it's intelligence apparatus for Epstein. I blame the Zelensky regime for the misdeeds of Ukraine in that part of the world. If China attacks Taiwan, it will be the fault of the CCP, not "the Chinese."

A mature observer is able to distinguish between the actions of a government and the entirety of the population that lives there.

The real question is why you want to conflate criticism of the Israeli government with antisemitism. I suspect it has a lot to do with your flawed Half Lindsey eschatology. "Left Behind" was a work of fiction, not a foreign policy manual.

As far as the generational question, this is probably a good time to point out that Gen X is the only generation that Trump won as a cohort. If Boomers, Millennials, and Gen Z voters were the only ones voting, we would be talking about President Kamala Harris right now. What's more, Trump's lead among Gen X voters was big enough to overcome Harris' lead in the other three voting blocks.
1) Honestly, it's no surprise you blame the Israeli govt. for Epstein, despite the absence of credible evidence establishing a link. People with a bias or prejudice are susceptible to believing in conspiracy theories which support their bias.

2) Never read Left Behind. Is it any good?

3) Proud my generation voted for Trump. Were you under the misimpression that I didn't vote for him or don't support him?
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Realitybites said:

"There has only been one single piece of footage I've personally seen that could indicate Israeli jets just barely skirted Iranian territory, wherein it looked like possible JDAMS were dropped on Kermanshah, which is just barely over 100km+ from the Iranian border:

JDAMS typically have a range of 25-50km, though the JDAM-ER can do 75km+ but it's uncertain if Israel possesses it. This strike could have represented Israeli jets getting a few miles over the border, but that's about as far as they're willing to go.

The big question is: why?

Because Israel has not yet degraded Iranian long range air defense whatsoever. The only videos of strikes Israel has shown were on a small handful of ancient Mim-23 Hawks, short-range Karmin-2, and the short-medium range Khordad systems. Nothing like the S-300-equivalent Bavar-373 has been attritioned at all, though Israel "claims" they have wiped out some made-up percentage of Iranian AD with zero substantiation.

It appears likely that Iran has withdrawn much of its longer, serious AD systems further east toward Isfahan and beyond in anticipation of large-scale US bombing strikes. This would be in accordance with an actual report of the withdrawal of heavy missile launchers to the same region, which are likewise being targeted by Israeli strikes.

Recall that Israel was never capable of even overflying Syrian territory, which had far weaker AD than IranIsrael bombed Syria from behind Mount Lebanon. Only after Jolani took over was Israel finally able to destroy the unmanned and abandoned Syrian AD network. Further, recall Israel had to fly its F-35s mere meters above the ground in Jordan during previous strikes against Iran, with reports claiming:

"The moment Israeli F-35I Adir fighter jets fly at extremely low altitude over Jordanian territory to avoid radar before striking Tehran."

Similarly, the US is incapable of overflying Yemen, and must launch stand off strikes lest the F-35s get "almost shot down" again when they approach too close to the border. Thus, Israel certainly is not at the moment capable of overflying Iran beyond, possibly, some small incursions just past the border."

Thoughrs from a knowledgeable observer.
And of course, you believe the unnamed credible observer, and not all of the other news reports and videos to the contrary. Amiright?
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.



November 2024
Not over a year ago

You've had three opportunities to defend the statement and each time you deflect.

If a separate thread is started over who killed Christ, will you deflect, run or participate?

YOU want folks to defend their positions. Are you willing to defend your position?
It's such a millennial thing to do...
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
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The Israel aid dries up in 2028... they only have another $10 billion left that they will suck out of the US tax payer.

Do you believe the Epstein questions should be answered by our government before any additional aid is authorized?
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The_barBEARian said:

The Israel aid dries up in 2028... they only have another $10 billion left that they will suck out of the US tax payer.

Do you believe the Epstein questions should be answered by our government before any additional aid is authorized?
No

Give Israel whatever they need to finish the job so the US doesn't have to enter the war.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."
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KaiBear said:

The_barBEARian said:

The Israel aid dries up in 2028... they only have another $10 billion left that they will suck out of the US tax payer.

Do you believe the Epstein questions should be answered by our government before any additional aid is authorized?
No

Give Israel whatever they need to finish the job so the US doesn't have to enter the war.


What war are you referring to that will be ongoing in 2028?
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."


You are a religious fanatic who believes he speaks for god.

Guys like you are incredibly dangerous bcs you can't be reasoned with.

You are like the Christian version of the Taliban.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."


You are a religious fanatic who believes he speaks for god.

Guys like you are incredible dangerous bcs you can't be reasoned with.

You are like the Christian version of the Taliban.
Just more of you misrepresenting other peoples' beliefs and positions. It's what you do, when you have no cogent retort.

More b.s. from the millennial, Jew-hating snowflake.
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."


You are a religious fanatic who believes he speaks for god.

Guys like you are incredible dangerous bcs you can't be reasoned with.

You are like the Christian version of the Taliban.
Just more of you misrepresenting other peoples' beliefs and positions. It's what you do, when you have no cogent retort.

More b.s. from the millennial, Jew-hating snowflake.

You believe your interpretation of the bible is the correct one and anyone who doesn't subscribe to your interpretation is not a Christian.

So I'll ask again, who made you the Mullah of Christendom?
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."


You are a religious fanatic who believes he speaks for god.

Guys like you are incredible dangerous bcs you can't be reasoned with.

You are like the Christian version of the Taliban.
Just more of you misrepresenting other peoples' beliefs and positions. It's what you do, when you have no cogent retort.

More b.s. from the millennial, Jew-hating snowflake.

You believe your interpretation of the bible is the correct one and anyone who doesn't subscribe to your interpretation is not a Christian.

So I'll ask again, who made you the Mullah of Christendom?
Again, just another demonstrably false statement about my beliefs. But as I said, intentionally mischaracterizing your opponent's position is a hallmark sign you have lost the debate.

You're an amateur.
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."


You are a religious fanatic who believes he speaks for god.

Guys like you are incredible dangerous bcs you can't be reasoned with.

You are like the Christian version of the Taliban.
Just more of you misrepresenting other peoples' beliefs and positions. It's what you do, when you have no cogent retort.

More b.s. from the millennial, Jew-hating snowflake.

You believe your interpretation of the bible is the correct one and anyone who doesn't subscribe to your interpretation is not a Christian.

So I'll ask again, who made you the Mullah of Christendom?
Again, just another demonstrably false statement about my beliefs. But as I said, intentionally mischaracterizing your opponent's position is a hallmark sign you have lost the debate.

You're an amateur.

No mischaracterizing has occurred.

Your beliefs are indefensible.

Maybe you are finally realizing this.
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Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

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boognish_bear said:



Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.



1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.


1) There is no credible evidence that Epstein worked for Mossad, much less that they (or anyone within the Israeli govt.) enabled his behavior.

2) Afraid to answer the question. Duly noted. I get it. You don't want to answer truthfully and expose the fact you are indeed an anti-semite, despite all the protests to the contrary.

3) Correction: You've given me a list of things you "think" Israel has done, or you have attributed what you "believe" to be Israel's motives. The problem is, when there is little credible evidence backing many of your positions, yet you choose to swallow them down like gin at a sorority party, it evidences an anti-semitic view of the world. I don't believe Israel is a saint, but as a reasoning adult, I have difficulty swallowing conspiracy theories with no credible evidence, as you do.

4) 48 years old. Unfortunately, I am probably closer to a snowflake millenial, such as yourself, than a "boomer." Dad was a boomer. Flew Hueys in Vietnam (which he believes was a huge mistake, BTW), and ran a very successful construction company. Was a great man, like lots of other "boomer" fathers out there. I will pray that you can rid yourself of the hate you have in your heart for them.

What foreign policies do you believe I support? I ask because you often times attribute beliefs to me and others that we don't actually hold. I assumed it was a malicious act, and you were intentionally misrepresenting my positions, but perhaps it's because you don't understand or have difficulty reasoning.

BTW, no surprise you're not a Christian. That is pretty obvious.


So you are 50 years old and you spend all your time online calling people nazis and antisemites?.... thats crazy....

Who are you to decide who is or isn't Christian?

Did God give man free will? Or are all of our actions preordained and we have no agency over our lives?
1) No, I am 48 years old, and choose to spend my time online debating hysterical anti-semitic millennial snowflakes. I agree, it is crazy.

2) I am a Christian, and therefore have a pretty good idea of the wheat and the chaff. Are you unfamiliar with the scripturally supported position that Christians are known by their fruit?

3) Whether you believe in free will or predestination, that has little to do with whether God chose the Jews to be his executioners. He had reason for everything he did. God knew that his Jewish brethren would do to him before the world was formed, and he chose it to be that way. Christ himself was also Jewish, and his early followers were Jewish. It was his brethren that spread his name to the ends of the earth, which is why your prejudice is so misplaced and disgusting, but not surprising for someone merely raised in the "Christian tradition."


You are a religious fanatic who believes he speaks for god.

Guys like you are incredible dangerous bcs you can't be reasoned with.

You are like the Christian version of the Taliban.
Just more of you misrepresenting other peoples' beliefs and positions. It's what you do, when you have no cogent retort.

More b.s. from the millennial, Jew-hating snowflake.

You believe your interpretation of the bible is the correct one and anyone who doesn't subscribe to your interpretation is not a Christian.

So I'll ask again, who made you the Mullah of Christendom?
Again, just another demonstrably false statement about my beliefs. But as I said, intentionally mischaracterizing your opponent's position is a hallmark sign you have lost the debate.

You're an amateur.

No mischaracterizing has occurred.

Your beliefs are indefensible.

Maybe you are finally realizing this.
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Mothra said:

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lol. Angry over a strawman.
What moron keeps coming up with the fake "apartheid" and "genocide" crap ... that's how you know they're LWNJs - histrionics not based in fact.
It is amazing how much the Woke Right shares in common with the Woke Left. Both prone to hysterics and unreasoned positions.


Iran funds far left commentators and Russia funds thr far right. Iran and Russia have an uneasy alliance, but both benefit from a lack of US involvement in the world which is why you see both sides freak out about the US doing anything besides being a isolationist state.
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[....Sohrab Ahmari, the Iranian-American conservative commentator (and, as a Christian, no fan of the Islamic Republic), points out, a US strike on Iran could easily have terrible consequences. Excerpts:

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But even if Team Trump doesn't directly join the fighting, American boots will end up on the ground, and on a massive scale, because regime collapse, the apparent Israeli goal, will be a colossal headache. Israeli bombing will break the Iranian state, and then the Israelis will "internationalize" the aftermath. Because Israel itself neither can nor wants to put the pieces back together. In reality, "internationalization" will end up meaning: Uncle Sam, roll up your sleeves.

The Europeans can only contribute marginally. The Persian Gulf monarchies might throw money at it, but they can't and won't do the lifting. Russia will remain distracted by Ukraine. The Chinese will opportunistically pick up scraps; but Beijing won't lift a finger to repair what it didn't break.

As much as we might talk about a post-hegemony moment, these other actors will still try to get the declining hegemon to solve problems of that scale. And they will say, with some justice, "Look, it was your client that broke it, with your apparent approval. So pretty please, get to work."

So let's outline the crises.
There are several in Ahmari's estimation. Here is the first:

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State authority: This is the biggest one, obviously, and it contours all the others. The central problematic of Iranian history is the relationship between state and society. What the optimistic hawks will say is that Iran isn't Iraq. It's not an artificial creation imposed on Arab and Kurd, Sunni and Shiite. For millennia, Iran's constituent ethnicities have related to each other organically as Iranians.
This is true. But it doesn't get us around the steep struggle to stabilize relations between state and society in the aftermath of a collapse.

The unchanging principle of Iranian political life has been estebdad, or arbitrary rule, and it remains so today. One defining feature was state ownership of all land. The state could grant plots to various classes as a special privilege, but never as a matter of right. Moreover, all economic activity, agricultural or otherwise, involved winning the favor of the state.

"Social classes did not enjoy any rights independent from the state," as the Oxford historian Homa Katouzian has noted, and "there was no law outside the state, which stood above society, despite a body of rules that were subject to rapid and unpredictable change."

Thus, "unlike in Europe, the state's legitimacy was not founded in law and the consent of influential social classes." From the satrap to the peasant, all lived in fear and at the mercy of the state. The arbitrariness of power extended to its source at the throne.

Rulers exercised power because they possessed divine grace, and they possessed divine grace because they exercised power. Rebellion was thus a fine way to seize power, so long as you succeeded. If you didn't, you might have been beheaded if you were lucky, or had boiling oil poured down your throat if you weren't.

With no formal rules of primogeniture, the death of each shah triggered a succession crisis. The heirs-designate blinded or castrated male siblings to secure their own ascent.

Estebdad etched itself into Persian culture. Poetry reached sublime heights precisely through obliqueness, conversation turned indirecta mask against repression. The ornate manners of Iranians relate to this, as well. The result: brilliance in individuals, but chronic distrust in society.
Without lasting institutions or principles, Iran's politics swing between bursts of idealism and long stretches of cynicism. Justice depends not on systems, but on the temperament of rulers.

I don't have an answer to this problem and how it might ramify post-collapse. But then again, I'm not the one pushing for escalation and ignoring the aftermath problem.
The answer that the Israelis and American hawks seem to have settled on is the person of Reza Pahlavi, heir to the final dynasty. There is some appeal to a monarchic restoration, to be sure. A shah can serve as a visible symbol of unity and continuity.

But Pahlavi has not inspired confidence in recent years. Collaborators I know have described him as lazy, incurious. One doesn't see much of that trim Cossack's austerity and steel that allowed his grandfather to forge a modern nation-state out of the malaria-ridden had-been Persian Empire. Reza (the grandson) made a grave mistake, in my estimation, by seeming too eager to be parachuted onto the Peacock Throne by an IAF F-35.

Then, too, we don't know how Iranian society's perception of the throne has shifted after nearly five decades of rule by a theocracy with republic elements. Anyone who confidently says, "Iranians await their king" is larping.

But his character and capabilities are finally beside the point. The real issue is that even if he were a supremely popular character, he would need massive outside assistance to even begin to assert control over the capital region, let alone a far-flung country of 90 million souls. . . . Which brings us to the other crises. Call them headaches from hell.
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