War with Iran?

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Mothra
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boognish_bear said:




I guess the irony of such statements is lost on the munchkin dictator.
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Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:




I guess the irony of such statements is lost on the munchkin dictator.


Any doubt regressives get their talking points from Putin is gone. He sounds like Jeffries and Schumer.
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It's fair to question any sort of violence that we initiate towards other sovereign nations. It's not fair to completely write it off as "well Presidents do it all the time," because it's a slippery slope. Iran is within their rights to defend themselves. Retaliation or self defense is actually appropriate. What then, we just go along the escalation ladder?

I think they do need to pass their resolution to prevent Trump from deciding the response to the response. You cannot let 1 man drag us into another Middle East war.

And no, we have not been at war with Iran since the 80s. Dumb talk. JD Vance said this morning we are not at war with Iran, we are at war with Iran's nuclear capabilities.
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Apparently RG3 has an opinion as well.......Stick to football Robert...
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Sam Lowry
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boognish_bear said:




Who said they would close it to the Chinese?
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BluesBear said:

Apparently RG3 has an opinion as well.......Stick to football Robert...


Probably an unpopular opinion, but RGIII has become insufferable the further he's gotten from his football relevancy. Love watching his highlights, but it's a good example to not glorify your heroes too much. He was a bust in the NFL and then had a chance to be relevant as an announcer, but he blew that too.
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Youre a clown said:

BluesBear said:

Apparently RG3 has an opinion as well.......Stick to football Robert...


Probably an unpopular opinion, but RGIII has become insufferable the further he's gotten from his football relevancy. Love watching his highlights, but it's a good example to not glorify your heroes too much. He was a bust in the NFL and then had a chance to be relevant as an announcer, but he blew that too.
He is not everyone's cup of tea as an announcer, but he will be on Fox this year. His career is nowhere near over.

He clearly had the ability to be a transformative QB in the NFL, as his ROY first season demonstrated. The Shananhans were the wrong fit for him and his leg blew up. It happens.

And it is so ironic to hear people on social media complaining about what other people on soical media say.
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I could be wrong...but a lot of times it feels like RG3 purposefully throws out wild comments just to try and stay relevant and get attention on social media. Not sure if all of his comments really reflect what he thinks.
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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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The_barBEARian said:



Is there anyone here willing to explain your support for initiating a war with Iran when Iran has made no credible threats toward the US homeland? Please raise your Israeli flags high and explain why Americans being financial slaves to Israel isnt enough for you... we actually need to go fight their wars and die for them too.
Let's see, the last time I heard a country was weeks, days away from a nuclear weapon was in the first Trump term. I guess they're still weeks away aren't they? Iran is going to develop a nuke, plain and simple, if allowed. Just like NK. Iran hates the US every bit as much as Israel. We haven't seen terrorism in this country like what can be dished out from a nuclear Iran with proxies. A simple dirty bomb would be devastating.


I don't really care if it's weeks away, months away or years away.... no Islamic nation should ever be allowed to have any kind of nuclear program.
Muslims cannot be trusted with such technology.
They have always been violent, rapists & aggressors. They must be kept in check.
If there is even the possibility of a nuclear program, it's justification to start bombing them into oblivion.

But we're not a xenophobic rogue nation acting with complete disregard for international law or anything...no, not us.
Right, but sometimes international law is irrelevant. Iran doesn't consider or adhere to international law, and international law has no effective recourse or remedy against a xenophobic rogue nation acting with complete disregard for international law. There is a time and place for preemption. The problem is there is no adequate way to enforce international law, and consequently there is no real deterrence to a rogue nation with no regard.


Yes. One problem with international law is that it is not really law. Once someone begins to invoke it to leverage their policy positions, it tells you about all you need to know.
That's what we say when we know we're violating it. Otherwise we invoke it constantly.


You got a mouse on your pocket?
That was funnier the first time.


Operator error.

Showed back up on my browser as not sent. Never re tell a joke.
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ShooterTX said:

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Mothra said:

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Youre a clown said:

No one is "going to war". Iran will launch some drones and missiles at US bases, likely the ones in Iraq. Most will get shot down. Their old Santa Claus looking leader will do some more saber rattling, and this will eventually simmer down. Iran does not have an endless supply of drones and missiles. They've sold a lot of of them to Putin


X rando clearly has the pulse of what's going on… Or maybe you are hoping this happens.

No. I'm hoping you step onto the street and get hit by a bus.

I think all you geriatric 50+ Boomercons are psychotic, impulsive and a huge liability...


Now our resident Jew hater is wishing death on others.

What a miserable POS you are. God help your parents.

But you dont want me to die, right?
Depends. Have you strapped a bomb to your chest, and are taking orders from a Mullah on where to blow up Americans, Israelis or maybe a schoolyard of children?

Your last several posts indicate that may be a possibility, so I had to ask.


Hey, at least you are honest about wanting me to die for not supporting Israel's Middle East wars.

You are sick and evil... but honest.

You share a lot in common with the radical Islamists.
You are still lying, I see.

First about Trump's campaign promises (hint the main one was securing the border and the second was trade, but you knew that), and now pretending that I want you to die when I said nothing of the kind.

I simply questioned your motive, as your apparent desire is to hurt Americans and their allies.

I notice you did not deny such a desire.

I want to hurt Americans?

Who is lying now?
I asked your intentions. All you have done in reply is lie about what I said and duck the question.

I get it, your buddies in Teheran are having a bad day, but if you don't hate Americans, it should be easy enough for you to admit it's a good thing Iran's program is in much worse shape than this morning.

I guess its hard to celebrate that we will probably now see dead American soldiers all bcs Iran wanted to keep a civilian nuclear program.

There was absolutely no need to involve our military in this.

Israel could have ended Iran's civil nuclear program without us.


In theory, I wish that Israel would have actually dropped the bunker buster bombs instead of U.S. bombers.

I don't think Iran will escalate. It will be the shortest war in history.

You still never answered my question. Why do you hate people 50 years and older? I wish you would at least attempt to explain. I will certainly never apologize for for being over 50 and for being white. I really had no say in either circumstance.

Its just a fact that the loudest voices supporting these never-ending wars are always Boomers or Gen Xers.

I'm tired of the Federal government focusing on stupid **** and not improving quality of life and reducing cost of living.

Just yesterday Trump was talking about selling Federal land to build more housing.... How about we keep our national parks and deport illegals and stop giving half of India H1B visas?

Thank you for your response. Methinks your generalizations are way off the mark. I do not support never ending wars, My Gen X wife does not either. I am strongly opposed to turning pristine federal land into federal housing projects. This Boomer is very angry about where my tax dollars are going. What is happening now is totally unacceptable. We need to lift up the lower and middle class of U.S. citizens. I am all in. I don't know enough about India H1B visas to comment.

1) I dont like my country being dragged into war by Israel. The war on Iran was conceptualized not in the White House or at the Pentagon but in Tel Aviv.

2) I think Trump looks incredibly weak and perfidious when he uses peace as a facade to lower Iran's guard so he can stab in the back. He told them two weeks and he attacks them two days later. It is dishonorable and makes us look like a nation of scumbag charlatans.


You are behaving as if Iran is an honorable nation lead be honorable men.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
If they are foolish enough to attack, they will be wiped off the face of the planet. No one will cry over them except for anti-semitic idiots like you, who will have lost your last best hope for another Holocaust.
Without a nuclear Iran, the Jews will be allowed to survive... your worst nightmare!



Aren't you the guy who wanted to drop nukes all over Iran and "kill all the muslims"?

And you are berating me about the holocaust?

Ok boomer.
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Sam Lowry said:

boognish_bear said:




Who said they would close it to the Chinese?
Or that they use it to bring China into the game. When facing a Gorilla, go and get your own Gorilla.
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Mothra said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The_barBEARian said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

Youre a clown said:

No one is "going to war". Iran will launch some drones and missiles at US bases, likely the ones in Iraq. Most will get shot down. Their old Santa Claus looking leader will do some more saber rattling, and this will eventually simmer down. Iran does not have an endless supply of drones and missiles. They've sold a lot of of them to Putin


X rando clearly has the pulse of what's going on… Or maybe you are hoping this happens.

No. I'm hoping you step onto the street and get hit by a bus.

I think all you geriatric 50+ Boomercons are psychotic, impulsive and a huge liability...


Now our resident Jew hater is wishing death on others.

What a miserable POS you are. God help your parents.

But you dont want me to die, right?
Depends. Have you strapped a bomb to your chest, and are taking orders from a Mullah on where to blow up Americans, Israelis or maybe a schoolyard of children?

Your last several posts indicate that may be a possibility, so I had to ask.


Hey, at least you are honest about wanting me to die for not supporting Israel's Middle East wars.

You are sick and evil... but honest.

You share a lot in common with the radical Islamists.
You are still lying, I see.

First about Trump's campaign promises (hint the main one was securing the border and the second was trade, but you knew that), and now pretending that I want you to die when I said nothing of the kind.

I simply questioned your motive, as your apparent desire is to hurt Americans and their allies.

I notice you did not deny such a desire.

I want to hurt Americans?

Who is lying now?
I asked your intentions. All you have done in reply is lie about what I said and duck the question.

I get it, your buddies in Teheran are having a bad day, but if you don't hate Americans, it should be easy enough for you to admit it's a good thing Iran's program is in much worse shape than this morning.

I guess its hard to celebrate that we will probably now see dead American soldiers all bcs Iran wanted to keep a civilian nuclear program.

There was absolutely no need to involve our military in this.

Israel could have ended Iran's civil nuclear program without us.


In theory, I wish that Israel would have actually dropped the bunker buster bombs instead of U.S. bombers.

I don't think Iran will escalate. It will be the shortest war in history.

You still never answered my question. Why do you hate people 50 years and older? I wish you would at least attempt to explain. I will certainly never apologize for for being over 50 and for being white. I really had no say in either circumstance.

Its just a fact that the loudest voices supporting these never-ending wars are always Boomers or Gen Xers.

I'm tired of the Federal government focusing on stupid **** and not improving quality of life and reducing cost of living.

Just yesterday Trump was talking about selling Federal land to build more housing.... How about we keep our national parks and deport illegals and stop giving half of India H1B visas?

Thank you for your response. Methinks your generalizations are way off the mark. I do not support never ending wars, My Gen X wife does not either. I am strongly opposed to turning pristine federal land into federal housing projects. This Boomer is very angry about where my tax dollars are going. What is happening now is totally unacceptable. We need to lift up the lower and middle class of U.S. citizens. I am all in. I don't know enough about India H1B visas to comment.


You're correct of course, but you were offering pearls before swine. His type always needs a convenient scapegoat, whether it's a race of people or a generation of people. He needs someone to blame. It's a part of his make up, most likely the way he was raised.


You are upset because I said only old guys support fighting Israel's wars and.... checks notes.... you are an old guy who supports fighting Israel's wars.

Sounds like I have you pegged dead to rights.

Convenient scapegoat implies I am framing you for something you didn't do or dont believe.

Stop the racism/ageism victim complex nonsense.

And stop insinuating my parents are bad people. They do not cosign or endorse anything I post on this board. My views are 100% my own.

Again it is crude and indecent behavior to go after family. Have I ever once mentioned your family in the very hostile exchanges I've had with you here?

No. I havent.





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Where is the outrage? This is right from the Nikki Haley Neo-Com playbook. "Cheney" is beaming. Trump is one of us... Neo-Com globalist...

historian
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I recently watched that movie again. That's one of my favorite scenes. What a classic!
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:




Barrack Hussein Obama

The novelty sold to the American people by convincing them they were obligated to put a black man into the White House………to pay for their sins.

Always was a crock. Still is. Barack is probably the most racist president we've ever had, which is saying much. He certainly did more than just about anyone to destroy American wealth liberty while creating chaos and division.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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nein51 said:

Iraq definitely had chemical weapons and they definitely used them on the Kurds.

They also had a nuclear weapons program until Israel destroyed it.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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FLBear5630 said:

Where is the outrage? This is right from the Nikki Haley Neo-Com playbook. "Cheney" is beaming. Trump is one of us... Neo-Com globalist...




Why do you pretend not to comprehend the immediate threat to US strategic interests if Iran successfully produced hydrogen bombs.
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ShooterTX said:

boognish_bear said:

Of course they are going to say something like this...but what can they actually pull off




Yeah.... they would be committing the FA part of FAFO. The FO will be the end of Iran forever.

Let's go!!


We do not want to end Iran forever. We just want to end gif nuclear threat. Ideally, the Iranian people will replace the tyrannical regime with a government that is not dangerous to us and everyone else.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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william said:



Horns down!!!
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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Mothra said:

boognish_bear said:




I guess the irony of such statements is lost on the munchkin dictator.


This made me giggle.
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Frank Galvin said:

Youre a clown said:

BluesBear said:

Apparently RG3 has an opinion as well.......Stick to football Robert...


Probably an unpopular opinion, but RGIII has become insufferable the further he's gotten from his football relevancy. Love watching his highlights, but it's a good example to not glorify your heroes too much. He was a bust in the NFL and then had a chance to be relevant as an announcer, but he blew that too.
He is not everyone's cup of tea as an announcer, but he will be on Fox this year. His career is nowhere near over.

He clearly had the ability to be a transformative QB in the NFL, as his ROY first season demonstrated. The Shananhans were the wrong fit for him and his leg blew up. It happens.

And it is so ironic to hear people on social media complaining about what other people on soical media say.

Huh…. like the way that you just complained about what I posted? I find your inability to see the irony there ironic
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boognish_bear said:



I hope he's correct but no one knows what will happen in the days or weeks ahead.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Where is the outrage? This is right from the Nikki Haley Neo-Com playbook. "Cheney" is beaming. Trump is one of us... Neo-Com globalist...




Why do you pretend not to comprehend the immediate threat to US strategic interests if Iran successfully produced hydrogen bombs.
I am all for it. But, I am a Neo-Con. Remember? I was also for selling weapons to Ukraine. And believe us being in Korea and Japan is in our strategic interest.

How is this any different? A foreign nation gets invaded. We form a international coalition. And we use the military in the Middle East.

The MAGA folks need to come to the realization that Trump is no different than any other politician and played them. He has raised the deficit with his budget, is taking part in a foreign war, and tied the US Treasury to crypto.

I personally agree with helping Israel, but I also didn't make it part of my election that we would not get in foreign wars and that I was different than the Neo-Cons. HE ISN'T. Every action he has taken has shown him not to be what he claims. Don't listen to the rhetoric, look at what he is doing.
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boognish_bear said:



Unfortunately this is not how the oil market works. Each barrel is a fungible commodity, and a 20% drop in the supply will result in a global price spike as all remaining supplies are bid up.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

George HW Bush. Crashed economy. War in Iraq.
George W. Bush. Crashed Economy. War in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Donald Trump. You can complete the sentence.
Not exactly a crashed economy, so ...
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Where is the outrage? This is right from the Nikki Haley Neo-Com playbook. "Cheney" is beaming. Trump is one of us... Neo-Com globalist...




Why do you pretend not to comprehend the immediate threat to US strategic interests if Iran successfully produced hydrogen bombs.
I am all for it. But, I am a Neo-Con. Remember? I was also for selling weapons to Ukraine. And believe us being in Korea and Japan is in our strategic interest.

How is this any different? A foreign nation gets invaded. We form a international coalition. And we use the military in the Middle East.

The MAGA folks need to come to the realization that Trump is no different than any other politician and played them. He has raised the deficit with his budget, is taking part in a foreign war, and tied the US Treasury to crypto.

I personally agree with helping Israel, but I also didn't make it part of my election that we would not get in foreign wars and that I was different than the Neo-Cons. HE ISN'T. Every action he has taken has shown him not to be what he claims. Don't listen to the rhetoric, look at what he is doing.
He's never been against bombing Iran, he's been pretty clear. I don't think anyone got played here.

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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Where is the outrage? This is right from the Nikki Haley Neo-Com playbook. "Cheney" is beaming. Trump is one of us... Neo-Com globalist...




Why do you pretend not to comprehend the immediate threat to US strategic interests if Iran successfully produced hydrogen bombs.
I am all for it. But, I am a Neo-Con. Remember? I was also for selling weapons to Ukraine. And believe us being in Korea and Japan is in our strategic interest.

How is this any different? A foreign nation gets invaded. We form a international coalition. And we use the military in the Middle East.

The MAGA folks need to come to the realization that Trump is no different than any other politician and played them. He has raised the deficit with his budget, is taking part in a foreign war, and tied the US Treasury to crypto.

I personally agree with helping Israel, but I also didn't make it part of my election that we would not get in foreign wars and that I was different than the Neo-Cons. HE ISN'T. Every action he has taken has shown him not to be what he claims. Don't listen to the rhetoric, look at what he is doing.


So this all about you and your hurt feelings ?

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Iran's Parliament Votes to Close Strait of Hormuz After US Attacks

Pro tip: fill your tanks tonight. All of them.
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historian said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:




Barrack Hussein Obama

The novelty sold to the American people by convincing them they were obligated to put a black man into the White House………to pay for their sins.

Always was a crock. Still is. Barack is probably the most racist president we've ever had, which is saying much. He certainly did more than just about anyone to destroy American wealth liberty while creating chaos and division.


That's not what your fellow historians think. Racism is a moral failure. Look at the presidential rankings linked below. Check out "Moral Authority"

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall
 
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