Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I am still impressed by the handling of this. It doesn't matter if the Fordow facility was obliterated, or badly damaged, ill take it.

The description of the bombs was very interesting. They targeted 2 shafts, using 1 bomb to blow each open, then the rest went in in rapid succession. It seems that without actual digging around you couldn't know how successful it was, but just digging around is likely to take months, therefore the nuclear program is set back many months, to years.

It was an incredibly successful campaign that cost no lives. Just a lot of tax dollars. And I'd give all the tax dollars to stop terrorists from having nukes. Credit where credit is due!

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I read a report that the US got Intel when Iran started building the facility sixteen years ago, and had sources photograph every step of the construction, including changes from the original design, and so they knew all along where to strike and how.

Kudos therefore to the IC under Obama, Trump and even Biden that kept plans updated and the right weapons ready for the order to go.

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Maybe it's just me ... not sure this is the kind of thing that should be shared publicly.

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My understanding is that the individuals involved left long ago.

And the regimes which we target have given us the accidental benefit of going after each other when word gets out. Iran is arresting all sorts of their own military on accusations of colluding with the Jews, the Americans, or whoever.

Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am still impressed by the handling of this. It doesn't matter if the Fordow facility was obliterated, or badly damaged, ill take it.

The description of the bombs was very interesting. They targeted 2 shafts, using 1 bomb to blow each open, then the rest went in in rapid succession. It seems that without actual digging around you couldn't know how successful it was, but just digging around is likely to take months, therefore the nuclear program is set back many months, to years.

It was an incredibly successful campaign that cost no lives. Just a lot of tax dollars. And I'd give all the tax dollars to stop terrorists from having nukes. Credit where credit is due!

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I read a report that the US got Intel when Iran started building the facility sixteen years ago, and had sources photograph every step of the construction, including changes from the original design, and so they knew all along where to strike and how.

Kudos therefore to the IC under Obama, Trump and even Biden that kept plans updated and the right weapons ready for the order to go.

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Maybe it's just me ... not sure this is the kind of thing that should be shared publicly.

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My understanding is that the individuals involved left long ago.

And the regimes which we target have given us the accidental benefit of going after each other when word gets out. Iran is arresting all sorts of their own military on accusations of colluding with the Jews, the Americans, or whoever.

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I just think it comes to military techniques and technology, the more left unsaid the better. Why tip our hand to the Chinese.

boognish_bear said:

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ICE has arrested 130 Iranian nationals across the U.S. in the last 7 days amid security concerns, per FOX

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 26, 2025

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Very impressive but i'm sure Isreael has a couple of patsies holed up waiting to carry out whatever false flag they have up their sleeve to kick off the next round of this Iran regime change war that is definitely coming.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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I am still impressed by the handling of this. It doesn't matter if the Fordow facility was obliterated, or badly damaged, ill take it.

The description of the bombs was very interesting. They targeted 2 shafts, using 1 bomb to blow each open, then the rest went in in rapid succession. It seems that without actual digging around you couldn't know how successful it was, but just digging around is likely to take months, therefore the nuclear program is set back many months, to years.

It was an incredibly successful campaign that cost no lives. Just a lot of tax dollars. And I'd give all the tax dollars to stop terrorists from having nukes. Credit where credit is due!

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I read a report that the US got Intel when Iran started building the facility sixteen years ago, and had sources photograph every step of the construction, including changes from the original design, and so they knew all along where to strike and how.

Kudos therefore to the IC under Obama, Trump and even Biden that kept plans updated and the right weapons ready for the order to go.

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Maybe it's just me ... not sure this is the kind of thing that should be shared publicly.

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My understanding is that the individuals involved left long ago.

And the regimes which we target have given us the accidental benefit of going after each other when word gets out. Iran is arresting all sorts of their own military on accusations of colluding with the Jews, the Americans, or whoever.

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I just think it comes to military techniques and technology, the more left unsaid the better. Why tip our hand to the Chinese.

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Spying has been around for a long time

muddybrazos said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ICE has arrested 130 Iranian nationals across the U.S. in the last 7 days amid security concerns, per FOX

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 26, 2025

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Very impressive but i'm sure Isreael has a couple of patsies holed up waiting to carry out whatever false flag they have up their sleeve to kick off the next round of this Iran regime change war that is definitely coming.

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Are the secret patsies in the room with you now?

muddybrazos said:

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boognish_bear said:

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ICE has arrested 130 Iranian nationals across the U.S. in the last 7 days amid security concerns, per FOX

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 26, 2025

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Very impressive but i'm sure Isreael has a couple of patsies holed up waiting to carry out whatever false flag they have up their sleeve to kick off the next round of this Iran regime change war that is definitely coming.

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"Welcome to the muddy house you're just in time for dinner. We're having pork chops. You do like pork chops, don't you?"

We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

Cross posted

Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Didn't we walk away from this deal 7 years ago at 1/10th the price?

I wonder if congress allows Bibi to come speak to it and ask them to oppose the president?

Big difference: we won't be paying for this one.

I hope its not like the Mexicans paid for that big wall

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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boognish_bear said:

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🚨FAKE NEWS CNN STRIKES AGAIN:

This alleged "assessment" is flat-out wrong and was classified as "top secret" but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community.

The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean…

— Karoline Leavitt (@PressSec) June 24, 2025

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She's not saying it's not true.

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What part of "this assessment is flat out wrong" is not saying it's not true??

Good lord, folks.

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The part where she calls it an "alleged assessment" then admits 1. It exists and 2 it was leaked.

Her opinion vs the expert opinion is what to be judged.

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It may be an assessment
It may be a contingency
It may be a bald-faced lie leaked
It may be a bald-faced lie from CNN to make Trump look bad.


Why would anyone believe a source that has already been proven to not be trustworthy.


The reporter has ZERO credibility. That doesn't say the statement isn't true but why trust this source?

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there's even more layers than that.

There are, in any given administration, 15-20 agencies in the "intelligence community." Each has its own "analysis" unit, each of which produce finished intelligence assessments. It is normal for the various entities of to disagree on assessments. Usually, this disagreement is not black & white but rather in matters of degrees on subjective questions like "how badly did we damage them?' Some will conclude the evidence suggests near total destruction. Others will say it's not clear. And a few might state there is only enough evidence so support a conclusion of moderate or limited damage. There's difference in those positions often has less to do with substantive conclusions and more to do with levels discomfort/confidence in what the evidence can support. The leaked intel in this instanced actually had a "low level" of confidence (something the news agency did not emphasize). "low level of confidence" means the analysts involved don't really have enough to build a position they'd stake their reputation on, so the conclusion is more like a "reasonable guess" or "my gut tells me."

Occasionally, the IC will meet to produce a joint product, like a SNIE (Special National Intelligence Estimate). I worked on one re South Africa during training. One was produced (at request of Sen. Feinstein) in the lead up to the Iraq War. Those things read like an encyclopedia, a long narrative on the things where the IC is unanimous. Minor quibbles will be noted in parentheses in the narrative. Any major disagreements on various aspects will get a breakout in a shaded box to highly divergence. And there will be breakout boxes for background on important sub-themes to give context. That's not really a big debate. It's typical. A SNIE will have 3-digits of contributors. Hardly surprising that there'd be a lot o agreement in the main and quibbling in the details. Politics gets involved when the "quibbling in details" gets spun into major disagreement, political influencing, etc....

This leak could have been nothing more than a single analyst from one of the more obscure IC constituents giving his/her own personal assessment to a reporter. Hardly reflective of the overall IC perspective. But the news does not provide that perspective, because the news is not intended to inform. It is intended to build and propel a partisan narrative that diminishes rather than burnishes the luster of an important accomplishment by this administration.

Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.

Waco1947 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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If the choice is between war with Iran and a nuclear empowered Iran, you take war.

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Did you say the same about North Korea?

Ultimately we didnt go to war with North Korea. They've had nuclear weapons capable of hitting the US for about a decade now and the world keeps on spinning.

Iran is less of a threat to the US homeland than North Korea is/was.

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That was a different equation because of China. That dynamic doesn't exist for Iran.

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How would war with Iran improve our national debt crisis? Or lower the price of energy which is keeping inflation in check?

Everytime the US has attempted regime change in the Middle East it has been catastrophically costly and resulted in abject failure even against adversaries much weaker than Iran.

Forget weapons. Iran has already agreed to not developing nuclear weapons.

Israel wants America to go to war with Iran over Iran keeping its nuclear energy program.

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Well said and other comments too

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Further proof of how much ideology the woke right shares with the woke left.

Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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If the choice is between war with Iran and a nuclear empowered Iran, you take war.

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Did you say the same about North Korea?

Ultimately we didnt go to war with North Korea. They've had nuclear weapons capable of hitting the US for about a decade now and the world keeps on spinning.

Iran is less of a threat to the US homeland than North Korea is/was.

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That was a different equation because of China. That dynamic doesn't exist for Iran.

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How would war with Iran improve our national debt crisis? Or lower the price of energy which is keeping inflation in check?

Everytime the US has attempted regime change in the Middle East it has been catastrophically costly and resulted in abject failure even against adversaries much weaker than Iran.

Forget weapons. Iran has already agreed to not developing nuclear weapons.

Israel wants America to go to war with Iran over Iran keeping its nuclear energy program.

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Well said and other comments too

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Further proof of how much ideology the woke right shares with the woke left.

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I still don't think that term can really be applied to the political Right.

And in this case being against more wars in the Middle East (or foreign intervention in general) is a very old concept among the Right....goes all the way back to World War I.

So it long predates "wokeness".....by nearly 100 years

Maybe the anti-jewish stuff can have some relation to modern woke ideology since that ideology is race-gender-ethnic obsessed .

But I just don't see a similar phenomena on the Right...at least as we understand "woke"

["Wokeness" is a term that refers to an awareness of social inequalities and injustices, particularly those related to race, gender, and other identity-based categories. It often implies a commitment to social justice and challenging power structures perceived as oppressive.

Core Concepts:
"Wokeness" is often associated with:
Social Justice: A commitment to addressing systemic inequalities and promoting fairness and equity for marginalized groups.
Critical Race Theory: A framework that examines how race and racism have shaped legal systems and social structures.
Intersectionality: Recognizing how various social identities (race, gender, class, etc.) intersect and create unique experiences of discrimination.
Social Activism: Engaging in actions and movements to challenge power structures and advocate for social change. ]

Redbrickbear said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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If the choice is between war with Iran and a nuclear empowered Iran, you take war.

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Did you say the same about North Korea?

Ultimately we didnt go to war with North Korea. They've had nuclear weapons capable of hitting the US for about a decade now and the world keeps on spinning.

Iran is less of a threat to the US homeland than North Korea is/was.

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That was a different equation because of China. That dynamic doesn't exist for Iran.

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How would war with Iran improve our national debt crisis? Or lower the price of energy which is keeping inflation in check?

Everytime the US has attempted regime change in the Middle East it has been catastrophically costly and resulted in abject failure even against adversaries much weaker than Iran.

Forget weapons. Iran has already agreed to not developing nuclear weapons.

Israel wants America to go to war with Iran over Iran keeping its nuclear energy program.

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Well said and other comments too

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Further proof of how much ideology the woke right shares with the woke left.

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I still don't think that term can really be applied to the political Right.

And in this case being against more wars in the Middle East (or foreign intervention in general) is a very old concept among the Right....goes all the way back to World War I.

So it long predates "wokeness".....by nearly 100 years

Maybe the anti-jewish stuff can have some relation to modern woke ideology since that ideology is race-gender-ethnic obsessed .

But I just don't see a similar phenomena on the Right...at least as we understand "woke"

["Wokeness" is a term that refers to an awareness of social inequalities and injustices, particularly those related to race, gender, and other identity-based categories. It often implies a commitment to social justice and challenging power structures perceived as oppressive.

Core Concepts:
"Wokeness" is often associated with:
Social Justice: A commitment to addressing systemic inequalities and promoting fairness and equity for marginalized groups.
Critical Race Theory: A framework that examines how race and racism have shaped legal systems and social structures.
Intersectionality: Recognizing how various social identities (race, gender, class, etc.) intersect and create unique experiences of discrimination.
Social Activism: Engaging in actions and movements to challenge power structures and advocate for social change. ]

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I like these core concepts.

Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mothra said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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OsoCoreyell said:

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If the choice is between war with Iran and a nuclear empowered Iran, you take war.

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Did you say the same about North Korea?

Ultimately we didnt go to war with North Korea. They've had nuclear weapons capable of hitting the US for about a decade now and the world keeps on spinning.

Iran is less of a threat to the US homeland than North Korea is/was.

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That was a different equation because of China. That dynamic doesn't exist for Iran.

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How would war with Iran improve our national debt crisis? Or lower the price of energy which is keeping inflation in check?

Everytime the US has attempted regime change in the Middle East it has been catastrophically costly and resulted in abject failure even against adversaries much weaker than Iran.

Forget weapons. Iran has already agreed to not developing nuclear weapons.

Israel wants America to go to war with Iran over Iran keeping its nuclear energy program.

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Well said and other comments too

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Further proof of how much ideology the woke right shares with the woke left.

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I still don't think that term can really be applied to the political Right.

And in this case being against more wars in the Middle East (or foreign intervention in general) is a very old concept among the Right....goes all the way back to World War I.

So it long predates "wokeness".....by nearly 100 years

Maybe the anti-jewish stuff can have some relation to modern woke ideology since that ideology is race-gender-ethnic obsessed .

But I just don't see a similar phenomena on the Right...at least as we understand "woke"

["Wokeness" is a term that refers to an awareness of social inequalities and injustices, particularly those related to race, gender, and other identity-based categories. It often implies a commitment to social justice and challenging power structures perceived as oppressive.

Core Concepts:
"Wokeness" is often associated with:
Social Justice: A commitment to addressing systemic inequalities and promoting fairness and equity for marginalized groups.
Critical Race Theory: A framework that examines how race and racism have shaped legal systems and social structures.
Intersectionality: Recognizing how various social identities (race, gender, class, etc.) intersect and create unique experiences of discrimination.
Social Activism: Engaging in actions and movements to challenge power structures and advocate for social change. ]

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I like these core concepts.

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Yea....I am not surprised

Some reports are coming out now that the head of DIA wanted to be first and pushed for a fast analysis and so analysts built it off phone traffic in Iran, oblivious to the fact that Iranians facing arrest if they could be accused of letting a vital facility get destroyed, announced to their bosses that the damage wasn't that bad.

CYA has been SOP in Iran for a long time.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I hope its not like the Mexicans paid for that big wall

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Thought you were moving to Cambodia or other parts of the far east ?

Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.

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I dont know about end of America or the WW3 stuff but I still believe that this whole Iran situation is far from over and Israel will not quit until they do regime change there. I hope the war stuff doesnt escalate and drag us into it, though.

muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.

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I dont know about end of America or the WW3 stuff but I still believe that this whole Iran situation is far from over and Israel will not quit until they do regime change there. I hope the war stuff doesnt escalate and drag us into it, though.

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But your ilk was predicting all of the above.

You're kind of the boy who cried wolf.

Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.

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I dont know about end of America or the WW3 stuff but I still believe that this whole Iran situation is far from over and Israel will not quit until they do regime change there. I hope the war stuff doesnt escalate and drag us into it, though.

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But your ilk was predicting all of the above.

You're kind of the boy who cried wolf.

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No, not really. The majority of the MAGA base doesnt want any wars and Trump has been made aware of that so I think he is doing his best to avoid that situation. The war hawks like you and Mark Levin are pushing for all out ww3 so I hope your side ends up disappointed.

I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

FLBear5630 said:

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I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

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Agree. Interesting move. Buying some influence and involvement. Cheaper than buying it in blood.

I can pay you in silver or lead, as they say.

Robert Wilson said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

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Agree. Interesting move. Buying some influence and involvement. Cheaper than buying it in blood.

I can pay you in silver or lead, as they say.

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Make Israel pay the $30 billion and I agree.

Tired of giving all these ME countries tax payer money.

The_barBEARian said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

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Agree. Interesting move. Buying some influence and involvement. Cheaper than buying it in blood.

I can pay you in silver or lead, as they say.

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Make Israel pay the $30 billion and I agree.

Tired of giving all these ME countries tax payer money.

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****, I'll trade ya.

FLBear5630 said:

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I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

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So this is freeing up Iran to have access to investment money that is out there...not the US directly giving them $30 billion?

muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.

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I dont know about end of America or the WW3 stuff but I still believe that this whole Iran situation is far from over and Israel will not quit until they do regime change there. I hope the war stuff doesnt escalate and drag us into it, though.

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But your ilk was predicting all of the above.

You're kind of the boy who cried wolf.

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No, not really. The majority of the MAGA base doesnt want any wars and Trump has been made aware of that so I think he is doing his best to avoid that situation. The war hawks like you and Mark Levin are pushing for all out ww3 so I hope your side ends up disappointed.

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Yeah, really. You were predicting a "forever war" and repeated that dire prediction on a number of occasions. Your boy, bowtie, was predicting the end of the "American empire" and a war in which thousands of Americans died. And here we are, just a couple of weeks later, and we have Iranian nuclear facilities destroyed, no war, and end of America and no soldier's dead.

It's ok to look stupid - something you do with regularity on these boards. But the cowardice in failing to own up to your dire predictions is a bad look, even for a moron and pariah such as yourself.

As for Mark Levin, can't speak for him, but the last thing anyone could accuse me of is being a war hawk pushing for WW3. So in addition to being a Jew-hating dumb@ss, you're also a liar.

boognish_bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

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So this is freeing up Iran to have access to investment money that is out there...not the US directly giving them $30 billion?

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It looks like Arab monies would be used, I would expect US oversight or even US companies being part.

At least Trump is not just destroying, he is offering a path forward and a way out for Iran. I like that and I think he is on the right track. Nice move, in my opinion. Can't just hammer, have to give a way to get where we want them to go.

FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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I am actually in favor of this. Make Iran an ally and set the parameters of how they move forward. We need to make sure it actually produces what it should. But, the Iranian people were pro-US. I am curious to see how this plays out.


US offers $30 billion to Iran to develop civil nuclear program post-strikes | Watch

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So this is freeing up Iran to have access to investment money that is out there...not the US directly giving them $30 billion?

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It looks like Arab monies would be used, I would expect US oversight or even US companies being part.

At least Trump is not just destroying, he is offering a path forward and a way out for Iran. I like that and I think he is on the right track. Nice move, in my opinion. Can't just hammer, have to give a way to get where we want them to go.

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Kind of a... keep your friends close…but your enemies closer move

https://t.co/B72Jb40P5K

— AF Post (@AFpost) June 27, 2025

The worlds most moral army is just indiscriminately murdering women and children.

Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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If Iran never trusted us to supply them with enriched uranium before, it seems unlikely that they're going to start now.

President Trump gave 15-20% of America’s THAAD interceptor inventory to Israel in 11 days, totaling over $800 million.

Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/yuK3ku2Gyv

— AF Post (@AFpost) June 27, 2025

muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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Kind of like the chicken little's doom and gloom predictions of the US being "at war," and this being the end of America as we know it, I don't believe this for a second.

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I dont know about end of America or the WW3 stuff but I still believe that this whole Iran situation is far from over and Israel will not quit until they do regime change there. I hope the war stuff doesnt escalate and drag us into it, though.

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But your ilk was predicting all of the above.

You're kind of the boy who cried wolf.

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No, not really. The majority of the MAGA base doesnt want any wars and Trump has been made aware of that so I think he is doing his best to avoid that situation. The war hawks like you and Mark Levin are pushing for all out ww3 so I hope your side ends up disappointed.

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you are imputing to others what you need them to be rather than what they are, have said, etc...

No one here came remotely close to advocating an invasion of Iran. And one was never in the cards anyway. You are apparently not old enough to remember, the First Gulf War. It took us better part of FIVE MONTHS to get deployed to slice up Saddam's army in a few days. We requisitioned civilian sea lift. We requisitioned civilian airlift. Moved an entire Corps plus some (700k troops) into theater. We didn't lift a finger to do anything like that this time. Just moved some ships & aircraft around and staged some fuel & weapons to keep planes in the air to interdict Iranian incoming.

So the "war" everyone screamed about literally could not have happened. But they wanted to have one to ***** about so badly that they 100% conjured one up out of whole cloth.

Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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We saw the stick, perhaps we are going to see the carrot.

" President Donald Trump is considering a $30 billion plan to help Iran develop a civilian nuclear program as an incentive to return to full-fledged talks over a nuclear deal, CNN reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Washington and its Middle East partners have been holding secret negotiations with Tehran, even as Iran and Israel exchanged strikes earlier this month, four sources familiar with the matter told the network.

The US reportedly has not dropped its key demand that Iran agree to zero enrichment of uranium, which has been a red line for Tehran. To sweeten the deal, however, Washington is said to have floated several incentives.

These include an estimated $20-30 billion investment project in Iran's nuclear program for civilian energy purposes though the money would not come directly from the US, but rather from its Arab partners, the report claims.

Israel sought to kill Iran's Khamenei defense chief
Other incentives reportedly under consideration include easing some sanctions and allowing Iran access to approximately $6 billion in frozen funds currently held in foreign bank accounts,"

If this is accurate, this will be the most brilliant exercise in US foreign policy since Reagan spanked Khadaffi for the Pan Am bombing without getting involved in a regime change war.

But Bibi, AIPAC, and the neocons are going to have steam coming out of their ears.

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If Iran never trusted us to supply them with enriched uranium before, it seems unlikely that they're going to start now.

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That's because we will only work with them on civilian uses. They wanted weapons grade, that time has passed.