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muddybrazos
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Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.
Correcting your erroneous positions is like shooting fish in a barrel. Let me help you, princess.

Boomers are 60-78 years old. If you are age 45-60, you are GenX - the demographic that now controls the country, and largely support Israel's fight against Islamic fundamentalists, according to polls.

Snowflakes/millennials are 29-44.

You are a really stupid person.

Sorry to break your delusions Mothra, but you are old as ****.

That is the point.

There is a high probability you'll be dead in the next 10-20 years.
Actually, your point was it's boomers over 50 supporting Israel, when you're so stupid you don't even know what a boomer is apparently. LOL.

Again, you seem to really hate your elders, in addition to Jews. Was hating large swaths of people a learned belief? Were your parents racist and ageist? Or do you also hate your elderly parents? Did they kick you out of the basement, or cut you off at 30, or something? Perhaps you have some serious mommy and daddy issues.

The good news for me? Yes, I am older, financially independent, and closer to glory than you (will ever be, apparently). I see that as a good thing. Bad news for you - I still have around 30 years according to the US life expectancy for men. But maybe you'll get lucky.
The_barBEARian
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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"
FLBear5630
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The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.
Mothra
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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?
No, there was no link to any news source in the link you posted.

If you are referring to the Israeli strike on the outer gates if UNWRA several years ago, according to Israel, that was a strike on militants at the outer gates, not on the aid station itself. Of course, we know that UNWRA has significant ties to Hamas militants, including at least 9 employees who were likely involved in the Oct. 7th attack on Israelis, according to the UN.

Again, is this your only evidence that Israel is targeting aid trucks? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for Hamas? Is it because you hate the Jews?
The_barBEARian
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
KaiBear
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The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

Disgusting post from a youngster full of hate.

No discipline, no self control, no courage.


Welcome to 'ignore'.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

When a demon says you're evil, you know you are on the right side of the issue.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

When a demon says you're evil, you know you are on the right side of the issue.


lol I'm not a demon.

I'm just a guy who doesnt tolerate bullies like you and will punch you in the proverbial face everytime.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

When a demon says you're evil, you know you are on the right side of the issue.


lol I'm not a demon.

I'm just a guy who doesnt tolerate bullies like you and will punch you in the proverbial face everytime.
No, you're definitely demonic, or at least have demonic influences. One can't have that much hate in their heart for other races or certain generations of people without being heavily influenced by demonic forces. They have definitely gained a foothold.

I pray you find Christ, and are able to process your hatred for others.
whitetrash
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

When a demon says you're evil, you know you are on the right side of the issue.


lol I'm not a demon.

I'm just a guy who doesnt tolerate bullies like you and will punch you in the proverbial face everytime.
ShooterTX
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The_barBEARian said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

muddybrazos said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.

Some of us realize that there are no good guys in this equation. The people leveling a whole country and cheering it on are not the good guys. They want to force all these muslims into Europe, Canada and America after they destroy everything in Gaza. Why should Christian countries have to take all these muslims who are not compatible with the west?
If Qubcois had been the source of rocket attacks on the US, do you think our patience with that situation would have been as long as Israel's?
Add to that an attack on July 4 celebrations killing a couple thousand civilians and a complicit Canadian government. There would have been an invasion of Quebec. Had the Qubcois fought from behind hospitals, schools, and buildings all over Montreal, there would have been lots of civilian casualties there.
This would not happen here, so some of us really don't understand the situation in Israel.

Ok.

Still not our problem.

Israel can pay for their own missiles, tanks, and jets with their own money.

Satanyahu could have snapped his fingers and used the political capital he has in this country to get that Jewish scumbag Mayorkas sacked from his position as secretary of Homeland Security... instead they let him open our borders and allow 40-50 million illegal invaders into our country... Mayorkas was so evil he was flying the invaders in from Nicaragua, Cuba, Haiti, and Venezuela. It was a deliberate attack on this country.


Holy *****
You are actually trying to blame Netanyahu for the Biden border??
That is next level anti-Semitic insanity!
ShooterTX
ShooterTX
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

When a demon says you're evil, you know you are on the right side of the issue.


lol I'm not a demon.

I'm just a guy who doesnt tolerate bullies like you and will punch you in the proverbial face everytime.


I have to agree.
You really do give off that "angry typing in my mommy's basement" vibe.
ShooterTX
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The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained


KaiBear
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

So you were referring to Israeli settlers supposedly burning aid trucks, and not the Israeli govt? And the only proof you have of Israel targeting aid trucks is some person named Sarah stating as such on twitter?

About what I figured.
So you didnt see the link about Israel bombing UNWRA aid station? Why are you so heavily invested in running cover for what amounts to war crimes?

Because he is evil.

Mothra is the most evil and disingenuous person on this board.

The good news is he and the people like him will be dead soon enough. Time is not longer on their side as they enter to back half of their lives.

Definite evidence for everything you've said:

New footage exposes ragtag US mercenaries firing toward Gaza aid seekers

"I think you hit one"

"Hell yeah boy!!!"

When a demon says you're evil, you know you are on the right side of the issue.


lol I'm not a demon.

I'm just a guy who doesnt tolerate bullies like you and will punch you in the proverbial face everytime.
No, you're definitely demonic, or at least have demonic influences. One can't have that much hate in their heart for other races or certain generations of people without being heavily influenced by demonic forces. They have definitely gained a foothold.

I pray you find Christ, and are able to process your hatred for others.
Youngster first needs the proper medication.......then Jesus.
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
FLBear5630
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The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).

The top 2 Nations on earth that spend on R&D are Israel and South Korea. See a pattern? I would suspect that they are places that allow innovation to get to testing quicker and with less fanfare than here. There is value in that.

Is it worth it? For the amount we send to them and S Korea? I say yes.. 3.3 B is 1/3 of our Foreign Aid or less than 1% of our Defense budget. For the innovation we get back and the location? Yup. I am good.

How Israeli Military Technology Continues to Improve the US Military | INSS





Israel's High-Tech Pipeline to America | The Washington Institute
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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



yep, pretty much exactly right, Joe.
Link? I've seen no credible reports that Israelis are attacking aid trucks or the people waiting for aid. What we do know is that such trucks are a well-known target of Hamas, who will often times either steal the aid at gunpoint, or kill the people waiting for aid.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-hamas-food-distribution-missile-strikes-deaths/

I would submit this might be more of your anti-semitic views creeping into the conversation.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with how the internet works but that is the link. It was a quote from Joe Rogan on a recent show. Those were his words.
I forgot I was dealing with a dimwit. Let me help you.

You agreed with the statement attributed to Rogan. My question was, do you have a link proving

Estatement that Rogan's alleged statement was "pretty much exactly right"? Or is this just you talking out of your Jew-hating ass again?
Theres been plenty of instances documented of settlers burning aid trucks over the past 2 years.



This is probably what Joe is referring too. You wont have any official links bc Israel wont let any press go into gaza.




He was probably referring to this:
Quote:

UN rights office 'horrified' by deadly violence at Gaza food distribution sites

The UN human rights office (OHCHR) in the Occupied Palestinian Territory on Wednesday called on the Israeli military to cease the use of lethal force near aid convoys and food distribution sites.

It cited "repeated incidents" of Palestinians being shot or shelled while seeking food, warning that such attacks could constitute war crimes under international law.

"We are horrified at the repeated incidents, continuously reported in recent days across Gaza, and we call for an immediate end to these senseless killings," the office said in a statement.

Since 27 May, when the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), an initiative backed by Israel and the United States began food distribution in southern Gaza bypassing the established UN-led system -- hundreds have been killed and many more wounded near four distribution points or while waiting to pick up aid.

In one of the deadliest recent incidents, Israeli military reportedly shelled a crowd waiting for UN food trucks in southern Gaza on 17 June, killing at least 51 people and injuring some 200 others, according to Gazan health authorities.

A day earlier, three Palestinians were reportedly killed and several injured in a similar incident in western Beit Lahiya.

"There is no information to suggest that the people killed or injured were involved in hostilities or posed any threat to the Israeli military or to staff of GHF distribution points," OHCHR said.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164551
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FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Ok, friendly Democracy.

I know we are not the Soviet Union and the Worker's Paradise exporting the dream, but we do what we can to help those friendly to us too.
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UNRWA was allied to Hamas. Some of them participated in the October 7 attacks. Some guarded hostages for months. They were terrorists and legitimate targets.

The Israelis had good reason to limit international journalists access to the war zone. They are often openly supportive of Hamas and routinely parrot their lies uncritically. The fascist media are propagandists just like they are here on domestic issues.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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Accuse the other guy of being a 'bully', then boast about punching people you disagree with ...

Not sure if you're a badly programmed bot, a flaming hypocrite, or just somehow drunk by mid-day ...
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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Yeah, so this is utter bull***** Iran never really tried with any effort to become a democracy prior to US involvement.
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Yeah, so this is utter bull***** Iran never really tried with any effort to become a democracy prior to US involvement.


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Oldbear83 said:

Accuse the other guy of being a 'bully', then boast about punching people you disagree with ...

Not sure if you're a badly programmed bot, a flaming hypocrite, or just somehow drunk by mid-day ...

You're right... I should've sent some Jacques Selosse champagne and a bouquet of flowers to the guy who called me a demon and spewed vitriol towards me.

He started the personal attacks but I guess because he ends his diatribe with a fake "I'll pray for you", he is absolved of all sin by his fellow Boomers.

Oldbear83
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Good point, I had not considered you could be all three ...
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

Accuse the other guy of being a 'bully', then boast about punching people you disagree with ...

Not sure if you're a badly programmed bot, a flaming hypocrite, or just somehow drunk by mid-day ...

You're right... I should've sent some Jacques Selosse champagne and a bouquet of flowers to the guy who called me a demon and spewed vitriol towards me.

He started the personal attacks but I guess because he ends his diatribe with a fake "I'll pray for you", he is absolved of all sin by his fellow Boomers.


You might want to check your timeline. I called you a demon after a post calling me evil and wishing death on me.

But as with many your age, you're never willing to take responsibility for your own actions. It's always someone else's fault when you behave like a petulant child.
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Oldbear83 said:

Good point, I had not considered you could be all three ...

The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:



Correcting your erroneous positions is like shooting fish in a barrel. Let me help you, princess.

Boomers are 60-78 years old. If you are age 45-60, you are GenX - the demographic that now controls the country, and largely support Israel's fight against Islamic fundamentalists, according to polls.

Snowflakes/millennials are 29-44.

You are a really stupid person.

Oh nvm... my bad.

I didnt realize this was your way of showing affection.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:



Correcting your erroneous positions is like shooting fish in a barrel. Let me help you, princess.

Boomers are 60-78 years old. If you are age 45-60, you are GenX - the demographic that now controls the country, and largely support Israel's fight against Islamic fundamentalists, according to polls.

Snowflakes/millennials are 29-44.

You are a really stupid person.

Oh nvm... my bad.

I didnt realize this was your way of showing affection.
You do realize you called me evil and wished death on me like 3-4 weeks ago, right? You've said it multiple times, only to say it again today. And my post was of course in response to the repeated derision of a generation of people you loathe

Or is this your ADD acting up again? Mommy forget your dose of Ritalin?
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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

Good point, I had not considered you could be all three ...


What is with the Boomer thing?
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Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Wrong. The Middle East since Sykes-Picot has been an autocratic mosh pit of either Arab Nationalism or Islamism, neither of which fit well with democracy or freedom. It is plagued by this still today, and retains an inherent ideological conflict with the West.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Wrong. The Middle East since Sykes-Picot has been an autocratic mosh pit of either Arab Nationalism or Islamism, neither of which fit well with democracy or freedom. It is plagued by this still today, and retains an inherent ideological conflict with the West.
He could be thinking of a Democracy of One... you get to call all the shots if you are the Shah or Ayatolla
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Assassin said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

ShooterTX said:

FLBear5630 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Assassin said:

The_barBEARian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:




Then why isnt he focused on issues concerning the citizens of New Jersey?
He is. LOTS of NJ citizens understand that supporting Israel is in our national interest.



Only two groups support Israel in America.

1) Religious Zealot Boomercons over 50

2) Jews

I highly doubt his district is majority old Boomers over 50 and Jews.

Several organizations and groups in the US actively support Israel, with varying focuses and levels of influence. These include prominent lobbying groups like AIPAC, religious organizations such as Christians United for Israel, and various Jewish organizations.
Here's a breakdown of some key pro-Israel groups:
Lobbying and Advocacy Groups:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
.
AIPAC is a major lobbying group that works to strengthen the US-Israel relationship and influence US policy in favor of Israel. It has a large grassroots network and a PAC that provides direct financial support to candidates who align with its agenda.
J Street:
.
While also pro-Israel, J Street advocates for a two-state solution and a more nuanced approach to US-Israel relations, often differing from AIPAC's stance.
Israel Allies Caucus:
.
This is a bipartisan group in the US House of Representatives that works to support Israel's security and fight against antisemitism and the BDS movement.
Jewish Organizations:
Various Jewish Federations and Community Relations Councils:
.
These groups work to advocate for Israel within their communities and engage in grassroots advocacy efforts.
Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
.
This organization brings together a wide range of Jewish groups to forge a unified front in support of Israel.
Zionist Organization of America, American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress:
.
These are older, more established Zionist organizations that have historically played a role in advocating for Israel and Jewish causes.
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism:
.
This organization represents the Reform Jewish movement and engages in advocacy for Israel and other social justice issues.
Jewish National Fund-USA:
.
This organization focuses on supporting the land and people of Israel through various projects and initiatives.
Religious Groups:
Christians United for Israel (CUFI):
.
This is a large evangelical Christian organization that strongly supports Israel based on religious beliefs about the importance of the Jewish state.
Other Evangelical Groups:
.
Many evangelical Christians believe that the continued existence of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and are strong supporters.
Other Groups:
Washington Institute for Near East Policy:
.
This think tank conducts research and analysis on the Middle East, often with a focus on US-Israel relations.
Various civil rights groups:
.
While some civil rights groups advocate for Palestinian rights and criticize Israeli policies, others may support Israel's security and right to exist



I've posted numerous polls that show that when you look at Millennials only about 25% support Israel.

Right at about 50/50 among Millennial Republicans.... and less than 20% of Millennial Democrats.

Israel favorability only gets worse with Gen Z.
Well, if Gen X and Millennials don't support, we should just walk away from our positions in the Middle East. Probably Asia, Europe and South America too...

But, who do those Generations support, besides themselves? Curious, what do those Generations support besides a shorter work weeks, less working hours, Government paying for them and "mental health days"? You are really good at what you don't like, what do you support that isn't self-driven?





Millenials and Gen Z are also the largest supporters of Hamas. They have been successfully brainwashed by the left into thinking that Muslims are the good guys. Very sad.
They are the generations that chant "from the river to the sea", and wave terrorist (Palestinian) flags on American holidays. They also have the largest percentages who believe in climate change BS, LGBT nonsense, and America is an evil, racist nation.

We have a lot of work to do with those kids. We need to undo ALL the lies, not just the pro-hamas/anti-jew lies.
Pretty sure bar-bearian isn't going to be helpful in spreading the truth... he is a zealot when it comes to the leftist lies about Jews.


Epstein wasnt working for Mossad?

I have always been the most conservative member of this board when it comes to immigration.

I want net negative immigration, a freeze on H1-Bs, ending birthright citizenship, and revoking citizenship of naturalized citizens and their anchor babies who refuse to integrate into American society.

I am the only one with the temerity to say we should adopt the IDF approach and use lethal force at our borders against those who resist or attack our border agents.

Support for Israel isnt a left vs right issue.

It those with common sense vs those who have been indoctrinated into a Ted Cruz religious heresy... that Satanyahu is some divine chosen one or that "blessing Israel" will do anything other than make America poorer and less free.
When did supporting Israel to defend themselves and to allow the US a presence in the Middle East turn to an immigration talk???

Congress should spend a lot more time on immigration and next to zero time supporting Israel yet we see the inverse.

The only thing Congress did the last two years of Biden Presidency was send money to Israel and Ukraine.

They did nothing to secure our borders or fix the broken immigration system.


The two are not connected. Congress should spent more time on immigration reform. Israel is one of our best allies and we should be supporting them. We should be doing both.

Well this is the problem Boomers are facing... the keep telling younger Americans this but cant seem to come up with a good argument for why this is true.
You are very similar to the guy in the Catholic religion discussion. Asks questions, we provide him the information and links and he disregards them. This is the 2nd time I have linked why Israel is one of the US's top allies. I can go with a VARIETY of articles, but I chose one from Belgium. I figured you would believe a Euro-article before a US Veteran that is older than you or any of the numerous people on this thread with actual experience with Israel...

So, try this one. It is pretty much the same stuff..

Why does the US support Israel? Key reasons explained



That article doesnt address the primary problem that Israel doesnt actually pay for anything. All of this is American dollars being used to fund R&D and hardware and it is all paid for by the American tax payer.

Does the benefit of jobs gained in the defense industry offset all the jobs lost in other areas of our economy due to increased debt and inflation?
That is a bit of an exaggeration, the US does provide Israel with aid. No doubt. I would say it is a symbiotic relationship, as the US provides money, protection and diplomatic clout. Israel provides an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East, a pipeline of innovation and a democracy in the Middle East (was important to past generations, not so much with younger I guess).
Democracy in the Middle East was important to past generations only in the sense that they were terrified of it and did everything they could to stop it. Iran tried to establish democracy twice in the 20th century, once under the Qajar dynasty and again under the Pahlavi dynasty, but the West always prevented it. The mullahs, who weren't especially fond of the idea either, lent their assistance and grew more powerful and more radical as a result. There was another period of semi-democratic reform in the late 90s and early 2000s, but it mostly fizzled out after Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Wrong. The Middle East since Sykes-Picot has been an autocratic mosh pit of either Arab Nationalism or Islamism, neither of which fit well with democracy or freedom. It is plagued by this still today, and retains an inherent ideological conflict with the West.
He could be thinking of a Democracy of One... you get to call all the shots if you are the Shah or Ayatolla
I just think Sam likes to take pot shots at America whether warranted or not.
 
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