So... at what point do Republicans realize Trump is bad at this?

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BrooksBearLives
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GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Butt sex and abortions are though?


Bro. Please. You are OBSESSED with this. Get. Help.
Canada2017
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BrooksBearLives said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Totally relevant and you are a fraud .


No substance. Just an insult. You're better than this.


47 deserves nothing different .

He is a totally dishonest troll who has been sowing misinformation for several years .

BrooksBearLives
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Canada2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Totally relevant and you are a fraud .


No substance. Just an insult. You're better than this.


47 deserves nothing different .

He is a totally dishonest troll who has been sowing misinformation for several years .




That's not a fair statement. But even if it wasn't. Just don't respond. I do it all the time.

You're a really good dude.
GrowlTowel
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BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Butt sex and abortions are though?


Bro. Please. You are OBSESSED with this. Get. Help.


Really? He has an entire church built on it.

Try again. Go back to counting genders. (Hint - after two, biology stops)
Canada2017
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BrooksBearLives said:

Canada2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Totally relevant and you are a fraud .


No substance. Just an insult. You're better than this.


47 deserves nothing different .

He is a totally dishonest troll who has been sowing misinformation for several years .




That's not a fair statement. But even if it wasn't. Just don't respond. I do it all the time.

You're a really good dude.


No can do in his case Mr Brooks .

47 is a totally evil son of a ***** . Usually just chalk his garbage off to dementia or medicinal side effects .


Regardless.... 47 ain't right in the head .
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Waco1947 said:

bearassnekkid said:

Waco1947 said:

Bearass: "Pretty much sums it up. You put your trust in politicians/government and want them to take care of you. You would probably be comfortable in a dictatorship or a socialist society. I'm grateful our founders weren't like you, but I'm concerned today's society has become lazy enough to fall into this mindset."

Yet you want women put "their trust in politicians/government" for their reproductive health. You are hypocritical.
You "would probably comfortable in a Doctors gop or socialist society" that makes healthcare decisions for womens' pregnancies.

This is incoherent drivel. I don't want women to "put their trust in government" for anything. I simply want a nation of law and order to prohibit the intentional killing of another human being. Pretty simple.

Also, in the event that you're an actual person and not just a clever sock for another poster who's doing this as part of the con, I will literally buy you lunch and pay you an additional $20 cash on top of it if you'll let me sit down with you and show you how to use the quote feature on this site.
Yes, it is coherent. You want for yourself what would deny women with your pro life position.


I don't want the right to kill my unborn offspring.
Florda_mike
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BrooksBearLives said:

Canada2017 said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Totally relevant and you are a fraud .


No substance. Just an insult. You're better than this.


Canada is honest and on target with BBL ^^^
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Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .

Among people I know it's a lot higher than that. But let's say 5% . So what? Can we more easily abandon allies that are less familiar?

And, since it seems to matter only when it matters to politics, many Kurds under attack are Christian.

But they weren't at Normandy, so ..
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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GrowlTowel said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Butt sex and abortions are though?


Bro. Please. You are OBSESSED with this. Get. Help.


Really? He has an entire church built on it.

Try again. Go back to counting genders. (Hint - after two, biology stops)

And buttsecks. Don't leave that out, it's part of the plan to destroy America.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Waco1947
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GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Butt sex and abortions are though?

Still immaterial and unchristian for you to lie.
GoneGirl
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Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
I live in an area with a large Kurdish population. They started coming in the late 1970s thanks to Iraqi persecution and a large number fled Iraq in the late 1980s when Saddam committed genocide with the help of "Chemical Ali." One problem resulting from our invasion of Iraq was that the Iraqi Kurds didn't really want to be part of Iraq. And who could blame them since Iraqis stood by while Saddam gassed them to death, confiscated their property and forced them to flee.

The idea that it was OK for Trump to bail on our allies when we were making a minuscule investment of resources to support a major national security goal because no one here knows about or cares about the Kurds is repugnant.

And now we're sending more troops to Saudi Arabia? The sooner Trump is impeached, the better. I'm starting to think Republicans are so slow to accept the inevitable because they know he won't go quietly and that he will take a lot of people down with him.
Canada2017
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Jinx 2 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
I live in an area with a large Kurdish population. They started coming in the late 1970s thanks to Iraqi persecution and a large number fled Iraq in the late 1980s when Saddam committed genocide with the help of "Chemical Ali." One problem resulting from our invasion of Iraq was that the Iraqi Kurds didn't really want to be part of Iraq.

The idea that it was OK for Trump to bail on our allies when we were making a minuscule investment of resources to support a major national security goal because no one here knows about or cares about the Kurds is repugnant.

And now we're sending more troops to Saudi Arabia? The sooner Trump is impeached, the better. I'm starting to think Republicans are so slow to accept the inevitable because they know he won't go quietly and that he will take a lot of people down with him.


So if you don't approve of a president's foreign policy .....impeach him.

You are so gracious.
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A lot of Americans learned about the Kurds when GHWB abandoned them to Saddam Hussein.
BrooksBearLives
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GrowlTowel said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Waco1947 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
Immaterial and unchristian


Butt sex and abortions are though?


Bro. Please. You are OBSESSED with this. Get. Help.


Really? He has an entire church built on it.

Try again. Go back to counting genders. (Hint - after two, biology stops)


You're a very small person. I really do pity you. But I will pray for your heart.
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BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

So trump denied knowing the two businessmen arrested today on charges.

But the proof says that's a lie....

It's not that hard to see how Trump, who has dinner with probably hundreds who donated to him, and who all line up to take a picture with him, might not know or remember all of them. Hardly "proof" of a lie.
I could excuse this in isolation.

But the coziness with these guys AND with Giuliani, and considering these were the guys helping Giuliani out in Ukraine (which Trump was trying to set up meetings AND directing his diplomats like Sondland to set up meetings).


These weren't just two guys he met once or twice. They were close partners with Giuliani.
How many times did he(Trump) meet with them?


At least twice (I believe 3 times confirmed). But they were also close confidants and partners with Giuliani, attending meetings with him in Ukraine (ordered by Trump). They were at the meetings Trump was talking about in the original transcript.

They were also connected to Rick Perry, Pete Sessions, and Kevin McCarthy. And the investigation has only just begun.

Oh. And look. Trump is already distancing himself form Giuliani (who is also now under investigation).


Where did you get that Trump met with them three times? Source?
BrooksBearLives
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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

So trump denied knowing the two businessmen arrested today on charges.

But the proof says that's a lie....

It's not that hard to see how Trump, who has dinner with probably hundreds who donated to him, and who all line up to take a picture with him, might not know or remember all of them. Hardly "proof" of a lie.
I could excuse this in isolation.

But the coziness with these guys AND with Giuliani, and considering these were the guys helping Giuliani out in Ukraine (which Trump was trying to set up meetings AND directing his diplomats like Sondland to set up meetings).


These weren't just two guys he met once or twice. They were close partners with Giuliani.
How many times did he(Trump) meet with them?


At least twice (I believe 3 times confirmed). But they were also close confidants and partners with Giuliani, attending meetings with him in Ukraine (ordered by Trump). They were at the meetings Trump was talking about in the original transcript.

They were also connected to Rick Perry, Pete Sessions, and Kevin McCarthy. And the investigation has only just begun.

Oh. And look. Trump is already distancing himself form Giuliani (who is also now under investigation).


Where did you get that Trump met with them three times? Source?


Multiple sources. A new picture of them together from 2014 is up. These dudes are pretty well connected.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/12/trump-lev-parnas-photo-giuliani-045137
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Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
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BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?
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Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?


Elect a President who doesn't ****ing suck at being President.
Osodecentx
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BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?


Elect a President who doesn't ****ing suck at being President.
What action do you recommend this week to help the Kurds? 10,000 American troops invade? Nuke? Send arms to Kurds?
HuMcK
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Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
Osodecentx
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HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?
BrooksBearLives
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Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?


Elect a President who doesn't ****ing suck at being President.
What action do you recommend this week to help the Kurds? 10,000 American troops invade? Nuke? Send arms to Kurds?


Wait. So because I don't know how to glue the vase out POS President broke, I can't get mad at him for breaking it?

You guys (his supporters) are so down the rabbit hole that you won't even admit he ****ed up. THATS THE PROBLEM.

He's been doing this for three years. North Korea has rolled him. Iran has rolled him. Turkey has rolled him. Putin has rolled him.

But because we don't have a solution to fix all that, it's our fault?

Come on. You're better than that.
HuMcK
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Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Osodecentx
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BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

What action do you recommend this week to help the Kurds? 10,000 American troops invade? Nuke? Send arms to Kurds?


Wait. So because I don't know how to glue the vase out POS President broke, I can't get mad at him for breaking it?

You guys (his supporters) are so down the rabbit hole that you won't even admit he ****ed up. THATS THE PROBLEM.


But because we don't have a solution to fix all that, it's our fault?
IMO, Trump ****ed up. You can get mad at him. It isn't your fault that Trump blew it.

Now, do you have any ideas that I can evaluate?
Osodecentx
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HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
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Canada2017 said:

Jinx 2 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
I live in an area with a large Kurdish population. They started coming in the late 1970s thanks to Iraqi persecution and a large number fled Iraq in the late 1980s when Saddam committed genocide with the help of "Chemical Ali." One problem resulting from our invasion of Iraq was that the Iraqi Kurds didn't really want to be part of Iraq.

The idea that it was OK for Trump to bail on our allies when we were making a minuscule investment of resources to support a major national security goal because no one here knows about or cares about the Kurds is repugnant.

And now we're sending more troops to Saudi Arabia? The sooner Trump is impeached, the better. I'm starting to think Republicans are so slow to accept the inevitable because they know he won't go quietly and that he will take a lot of people down with him.


So if you don't approve of a president's foreign policy .....impeach him.

You are so gracious.
Bad foreign policy isn't an impeachable offense. Were it, we'd have impeached Bush and Cheney when it came out that we'd invaded Iraq based on outright lies about WMDs.

Corrupt use of the political power and foreign aid of the United States to levy false charges against a political opponent and to benefit your personal business interests or those of your family members is an impeachable offense. If in impeaching that corrupt president, we also get rid of a president whose foreign policy is irrational, unpredictable, not fact-based and mendacious, that's a plus.
HuMcK
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Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?

That's the hollow threat the Administration has chosen to go with. Trump threatened to "destroy Turkey's economy" with sanctions if they violated some vague and undefined terms of his "agreement" with Erdogan, and Mnuchin was on the Sunday shows this morning echoing that threat (but when asked what they are waiting for he got mealy mouthed and dodged the question). To be clear this is probably just meaningless bluster from Trump, because he saw how negative the response to this move was, and he wants to mitigate the impact of that with the people who are gullible enough to believe anything he says.

If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
Osodecentx
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HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?

That's the hollow threat the Administration has chosen to go with. Trump threatened to "destroy Turkey's economy" with sanctions if they violated some vague and undefined terms of his "agreement" with Erdogan, and Mnuchin was on the Sunday shows this morning echoing that threat (but when asked what they are waiting for he got mealy mouthed and dodged the question). To be clear this is probably just meaningless bluster from Trump, because he saw how negative the response to this move was, and he wants to mitigate the impact of that with the people who are gullible enough to believe anything he says.

If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
Are you recommending that we set up an independent Kurdistan and arm them with nukes?
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Jinx 2 said:

Canada2017 said:

Jinx 2 said:

Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
I live in an area with a large Kurdish population. They started coming in the late 1970s thanks to Iraqi persecution and a large number fled Iraq in the late 1980s when Saddam committed genocide with the help of "Chemical Ali." One problem resulting from our invasion of Iraq was that the Iraqi Kurds didn't really want to be part of Iraq.

The idea that it was OK for Trump to bail on our allies when we were making a minuscule investment of resources to support a major national security goal because no one here knows about or cares about the Kurds is repugnant.

And now we're sending more troops to Saudi Arabia? The sooner Trump is impeached, the better. I'm starting to think Republicans are so slow to accept the inevitable because they know he won't go quietly and that he will take a lot of people down with him.


So if you don't approve of a president's foreign policy .....impeach him.

You are so gracious.
Bad foreign policy isn't an impeachable offense.
A fact for which Obama should give thanks
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BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

BrooksBearLives said:

So trump denied knowing the two businessmen arrested today on charges.

But the proof says that's a lie....

It's not that hard to see how Trump, who has dinner with probably hundreds who donated to him, and who all line up to take a picture with him, might not know or remember all of them. Hardly "proof" of a lie.
I could excuse this in isolation.

But the coziness with these guys AND with Giuliani, and considering these were the guys helping Giuliani out in Ukraine (which Trump was trying to set up meetings AND directing his diplomats like Sondland to set up meetings).


These weren't just two guys he met once or twice. They were close partners with Giuliani.
How many times did he(Trump) meet with them?


At least twice (I believe 3 times confirmed). But they were also close confidants and partners with Giuliani, attending meetings with him in Ukraine (ordered by Trump). They were at the meetings Trump was talking about in the original transcript.

They were also connected to Rick Perry, Pete Sessions, and Kevin McCarthy. And the investigation has only just begun.

Oh. And look. Trump is already distancing himself form Giuliani (who is also now under investigation).


Where did you get that Trump met with them three times? Source?


Multiple sources. A new picture of them together from 2014 is up. These dudes are pretty well connected.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/12/trump-lev-parnas-photo-giuliani-045137
So, this "new" picture (from 2014) - which could be yet another photo of Trump with someone he doesn't really know, but took anyway because he's a celeb and is always being asked to, to which he agreed hundreds, maybe thousands of times before - this proves they're "pretty well connected", how?

And news of this picture just came out, AFTER your claim that there were three confirmed times Trump met with them. What were those three times?

And you do realize, that when I ask for your source, that answering "multiple sources" is not answering the question? Please give the source for your information.
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Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?

That's the hollow threat the Administration has chosen to go with. Trump threatened to "destroy Turkey's economy" with sanctions if they violated some vague and undefined terms of his "agreement" with Erdogan, and Mnuchin was on the Sunday shows this morning echoing that threat (but when asked what they are waiting for he got mealy mouthed and dodged the question). To be clear this is probably just meaningless bluster from Trump, because he saw how negative the response to this move was, and he wants to mitigate the impact of that with the people who are gullible enough to believe anything he says.

If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
Are you recommending that we set up an independent Kurdistan and arm them with nukes?

Our current arrangement with Turkey (and others without nukes of their own) is called "nuclear sharing", whereby these countries house NATO nuclear weapons at NATO (US) facilities and have some involvement in maintaining the affiliated infrastructure, but are not per se "nuclear armed".

As Turkey becomes more authoritarian and non-secular, and it becomes more clear that their interests are wildly diverging from our own (not just on this issue either, read about Reza Zarrab and his dealings with Turkey), perhaps the time will come for the US to forge new, more reliable, partnerships in the Middle East region.
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Russian state TV has issued a message to the Kurds and the world this am. The US cannot be trusted under Trump. They are an unreliable and untrustworthy ally. Allies of the US should join alliance with Russia. Meanwhile Trump announces the response to the attack on US troops that Trump green lighted is to evacuate the region.

Trump is such an anti American dupe.
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Jinx 2 said:

Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

Can't help but wonder if even 5% of the American people had even the slightest awareness of the Kurds 2 weeks ago .
I live in an area with a large Kurdish population. They started coming in the late 1970s thanks to Iraqi persecution and a large number fled Iraq in the late 1980s when Saddam committed genocide with the help of "Chemical Ali." One problem resulting from our invasion of Iraq was that the Iraqi Kurds didn't really want to be part of Iraq.

The idea that it was OK for Trump to bail on our allies when we were making a minuscule investment of resources to support a major national security goal because no one here knows about or cares about the Kurds is repugnant.

And now we're sending more troops to Saudi Arabia? The sooner Trump is impeached, the better. I'm starting to think Republicans are so slow to accept the inevitable because they know he won't go quietly and that he will take a lot of people down with him.


So if you don't approve of a president's foreign policy .....impeach him.

You are so gracious.
Corrupt use of the political power...of the United States to levy false charges against a political opponent and to benefit your personal business interests or those of your family members is an impeachable offense.
Unless you're a Democrat.
 
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