Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The insurrection narrative is asinine.

It would take an army of tens of thousands to actually steal power away.

Posters here want people to think it's the beginning of handmaids tale.

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You know what is not fiction?

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...the videos of CHP officers removing barricades, opening doors, and standing chatting with each other and protestors as latter filed thru the rotunda in an orderly fashion, even remaining inside of ropelines.

Yes, there are other videos showing violence. But there are also videos showing bizarre posing at desks, carrying out souveniers, etc.... No meaningful assessment of what occurred could be described as an effort to seize control of the USG.

"Remember that time we had an insurrection and all I got was this desk chair?"

asinine is an apt description of the insurrection narrative. If hand-to-hand rioting with police on government property is insurrection, then we had hundreds of instances in 2020.

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People died in pursuit of a big lie. We need to investigate With a congressional committee.

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No, we all saw what Democrats do when they "investigate".

We need our country back from career politicians and Leftist liars.

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J.B.Katz said:

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J.R. said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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J.R. said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The insurrection narrative is asinine.

It would take an army of tens of thousands to actually steal power away.

Posters here want people to think it's the beginning of handmaids tale.

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You know what is not fiction?

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...the videos of CHP officers removing barricades, opening doors, and standing chatting with each other and protestors as latter filed thru the rotunda in an orderly fashion, even remaining inside of ropelines.

Yes, there are other videos showing violence. But there are also videos showing bizarre posing at desks, carrying out souveniers, etc.... No meaningful assessment of what occurred could be described as an effort to seize control of the USG.

"Remember that time we had an insurrection and all I got was this desk chair?"

asinine is an apt description of the insurrection narrative. If hand-to-hand rioting with police on government property is insurrection, then we had hundreds of instances in 2020.

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People died in pursuit of a big lie. We need to investigate With a congressional committee.

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No, we all saw what Democrats do when they "investigate".

We need our country back from career politicians and Leftist liars.

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We need my former party back from the Matt G's and that crazy ***** from Florida and all the loons that follow the cult of Trump. Truly disturbing.

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There is no "cult of Trump", excepting the creeps who see Trump in every paranoid delusion they spew.

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bro, you ain't paying attention!

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He's paying rapt attention. To the cult leader.

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

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So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

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Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

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You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

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like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

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I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

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So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

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Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

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You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

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like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

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I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

---

So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

---

Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

---

You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

---

like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

---

I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

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It was a demonstration that turned into a riot. it was not a group of people showing up to do battle and seize territory.

You are the one denying reality. Leftist insurgency has been going on all over the country - cops assassinated, police stations overrun, homes of police and politicians vandalized, cities burned by the block, including buildings throughout the District of Columbia, federal territory constitutionally reserved as the seat of the federal government. Many elements of State 2 Maoist insurgency playing out in real time, all over the country. You ignore that, then contrive a riot into an insurrection.

The faulty premise underlying your pseudo reality is the inane notion that the merest questions about the probity of an election constitutes treason. Democrats did that in 2016, based on what we now know was a complete and utter hoax - Russia Collusion - and actually had a larger number of legislators contest certification of the EV. But Republicans acceded to democrat demands for investigations. Found nothing, but we played ball. Tables turned in 2020 with actual evidence - thousands of affadavits, in context of extra-legal changes to election laws that facilitated irregularities in all the battleground states. virtually half the country (47%) thinks there was fraud that affected outcome. Did Democrats return the favor and agree to investigations?. Oh no. How dare we even suggest it? It should not be surprising that we had a capitol riot over whether or not to certify the EV or send it back to the states. It is in fact fortunate that it wasn't a lot worse.

What happened in the capitol was a fairly low grade riot that had no leader, no manifesto, no logistics, no intent to seize power, etc......a scenario which does not cast a shadow on the definition of an insurrection. Asserting that it was is an escalation amid an otherwise tense situation. Cool heads would exercise caution. But you throw bombs. Typical.

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

---

So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

---

Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

---

You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

---

like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

---

I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

---

It was a demonstration that turned into a riot. it was not a group of people showing up to do battle and seize territory.

You are the one denying reality. Leftist insurgency has been going on all over the country - cops assassinated, police stations overrun, homes of police and politicians vandalized, cities burned by the block, including buildings throughout the District of Columbia, federal territory constitutionally reserved as the seat of the federal government. Many elements of State 2 Maoist insurgency playing out in real time, all over the country. You ignore that, then contrive a riot into an insurrection.

The faulty premise underlying your pseudo reality is the inane notion that the merest questions about the probity of an election constitutes treason. Democrats did that in 2016, based on what we now know was a complete and utter hoax - Russia Collusion - and actually had a larger number of legislators contest certification of the EV. But Republicans acceded to democrat demands for investigations. Found nothing, but we played ball. Tables turned in 2020 with actual evidence - thousands of affadavits, in context of extra-legal changes to election laws that facilitated irregularities in all the battleground states. virtually half the country (47%) thinks there was fraud that affected outcome. Did Democrats return the favor and agree to investigations?. Oh no. How dare we even suggest it? It should not be surprising that we had a capitol riot over whether or not to certify the EV or send it back to the states. It is in fact fortunate that it wasn't a lot worse.

What happened in the capitol was a fairly low grade riot that had no leader, no manifesto, no logistics, no intent to seize power, etc......a scenario which does not cast a shadow on the definition of an insurrection. Asserting that it was is an escalation amid an otherwise tense situation. Cool heads would exercise caution. But you throw bombs. Typical.

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Who is the leader of the Antifa insurgency?

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Do they need to have a clear cut leader before you consider them dangerous?

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Sam Lowry said:

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Rawhide said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

---

So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

---

Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

---

You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

---

like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

---

I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

---

It was a demonstration that turned into a riot. it was not a group of people showing up to do battle and seize territory.

You are the one denying reality. Leftist insurgency has been going on all over the country - cops assassinated, police stations overrun, homes of police and politicians vandalized, cities burned by the block, including buildings throughout the District of Columbia, federal territory constitutionally reserved as the seat of the federal government. Many elements of State 2 Maoist insurgency playing out in real time, all over the country. You ignore that, then contrive a riot into an insurrection.

The faulty premise underlying your pseudo reality is the inane notion that the merest questions about the probity of an election constitutes treason. Democrats did that in 2016, based on what we now know was a complete and utter hoax - Russia Collusion - and actually had a larger number of legislators contest certification of the EV. But Republicans acceded to democrat demands for investigations. Found nothing, but we played ball. Tables turned in 2020 with actual evidence - thousands of affadavits, in context of extra-legal changes to election laws that facilitated irregularities in all the battleground states. virtually half the country (47%) thinks there was fraud that affected outcome. Did Democrats return the favor and agree to investigations?. Oh no. How dare we even suggest it? It should not be surprising that we had a capitol riot over whether or not to certify the EV or send it back to the states. It is in fact fortunate that it wasn't a lot worse.

What happened in the capitol was a fairly low grade riot that had no leader, no manifesto, no logistics, no intent to seize power, etc......a scenario which does not cast a shadow on the definition of an insurrection. Asserting that it was is an escalation amid an otherwise tense situation. Cool heads would exercise caution. But you throw bombs. Typical.

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Who is the leader of the Antifa insurgency?

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Do they need to have a clear cut leader before you consider them dangerous?

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No. However, the other poster seems to think there can't be an insurrection (much less an insurgency) without a clear-cut leader. Because he refers to Antifa as an insurgency, I assume he can identify the leader.

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

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If ANTIFA did the same thing on 1/6, nobody would be talking about it.

Deep down you know this.

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No. I live in my own reality. If any group stormed the Capitol there would be calls for an bipatisan congressional inquiry.

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

---

So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

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So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

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Doc Holliday said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

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If ANTIFA did the same thing on 1/6, nobody would be talking about it.

Deep down you know this.

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

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If ANTIFA did the same thing on 1/6, nobody would be talking about it.

Deep down you know this.

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There no doubt would be some on the left excusing it or defending it, the same as you are doing now.

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Doc Holliday said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

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If ANTIFA did the same thing on 1/6, nobody would be talking about it.

Deep down you know this.

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There no doubt would be some on the left excusing it or defending it, the same as you are doing now.

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I've never defended 1/6. You just made that up.

Get your Sycophantic behavior checked out before it's too late.

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jupiter said:

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What socially conservative policies are also fiscally conservative?

Defense? war on drugs? Criminal Justice? They are pretty much diametrically opposed to eachother

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PartyBear said:

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While you were at it why didn't you also just ask him how he knows President Kennedy is dead.

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PartyBear said:

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No Kennedy's death is on film and nearly all Americans have seen it just like the things you are questioning.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

---

So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

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Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

---

You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

---

like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

---

I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

---

It was a demonstration that turned into a riot. it was not a group of people showing up to do battle and seize territory.

You are the one denying reality. Leftist insurgency has been going on all over the country - cops assassinated, police stations overrun, homes of police and politicians vandalized, cities burned by the block, including buildings throughout the District of Columbia, federal territory constitutionally reserved as the seat of the federal government. Many elements of State 2 Maoist insurgency playing out in real time, all over the country. You ignore that, then contrive a riot into an insurrection.

The faulty premise underlying your pseudo reality is the inane notion that the merest questions about the probity of an election constitutes treason. Democrats did that in 2016, based on what we now know was a complete and utter hoax - Russia Collusion - and actually had a larger number of legislators contest certification of the EV. But Republicans acceded to democrat demands for investigations. Found nothing, but we played ball. Tables turned in 2020 with actual evidence - thousands of affadavits, in context of extra-legal changes to election laws that facilitated irregularities in all the battleground states. virtually half the country (47%) thinks there was fraud that affected outcome. Did Democrats return the favor and agree to investigations?. Oh no. How dare we even suggest it? It should not be surprising that we had a capitol riot over whether or not to certify the EV or send it back to the states. It is in fact fortunate that it wasn't a lot worse.

What happened in the capitol was a fairly low grade riot that had no leader, no manifesto, no logistics, no intent to seize power, etc......a scenario which does not cast a shadow on the definition of an insurrection. Asserting that it was is an escalation amid an otherwise tense situation. Cool heads would exercise caution. But you throw bombs. Typical.

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Who is the leader of the Antifa insurgency?

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ATL Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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No Kennedy's death is on film and nearly all Americans have seen it just like the things you are questioning.

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Seen what?

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Porteroso said:

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whiterock said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Porteroso said:

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Bear_Fan254 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Count on TS to duck any facts which don't fit his narrative.

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9/11 commissions aren't needed to study Antifa. As bad as their violence was, they were not assaults on the U.S. Capitol and the Capitol Police while Congress was in session. Your desire to excuse this places you squarely on the wrong side of history.

---

So what you are saying is it's okay to commit violence, loot, burn, assault police officers, destroy people's livelihoods and people's small businesses and neighborhoods by Antifa and others, but if the elites in Congress are rattled that's where you draw the line and need a partisan commission? 1/6 and last summer's riots were both awful and have no place in America, but it's telling which one people are more outraged by.

Also, yes I realize a lot were peacefully protesting during last summer, but there were lots also peacefully protesting on 1/6. Just doesn't detract from the awfulness of violence and destruction.

---

Rioting just isn't the same thing as trying to change the outcome of democracy, or in other words, install our first dictator.

Rioting is bad, mkay, ending America is worse.

---

You are really a stupid M. F.

Do you have no clue Biden's puppetmasters are your "dictator?"

It's hard to believe you're clueless to that!

---

like the rioting by the Democrat militias, funded by Democrat money, was not intended to influence the democratic process.

clueless indeed.

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I can appreciate this, that there were a small number of militant, extremist leftists (inb4 they all are) that basically laid siege to small parts of downtown cities, complete with demands and threats of violence. I don't get why this is relevant. I guess your angle is some sort of comparison? Left wing media didn't portray the siege of Portland as an insurrection, so Jan 6 wasn't either?

That's just not a thing.

Jan 6 was an insurrection because our Capitol was taken over by a mob intent upon changing the outcome of the election, while Congress was in session, and a few of them wanted to hang the Vice President. Can you tell me how you characterize such an event?

So far none of you radicals are addressing the facts. You are ignoring the reality of what happened and blathering on about Antifa. There can't be much real discussion when reality is denied.

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It was a demonstration that turned into a riot. it was not a group of people showing up to do battle and seize territory.

You are the one denying reality. Leftist insurgency has been going on all over the country - cops assassinated, police stations overrun, homes of police and politicians vandalized, cities burned by the block, including buildings throughout the District of Columbia, federal territory constitutionally reserved as the seat of the federal government. Many elements of State 2 Maoist insurgency playing out in real time, all over the country. You ignore that, then contrive a riot into an insurrection.

The faulty premise underlying your pseudo reality is the inane notion that the merest questions about the probity of an election constitutes treason. Democrats did that in 2016, based on what we now know was a complete and utter hoax - Russia Collusion - and actually had a larger number of legislators contest certification of the EV. But Republicans acceded to democrat demands for investigations. Found nothing, but we played ball. Tables turned in 2020 with actual evidence - thousands of affadavits, in context of extra-legal changes to election laws that facilitated irregularities in all the battleground states. virtually half the country (47%) thinks there was fraud that affected outcome. Did Democrats return the favor and agree to investigations?. Oh no. How dare we even suggest it? It should not be surprising that we had a capitol riot over whether or not to certify the EV or send it back to the states. It is in fact fortunate that it wasn't a lot worse.

What happened in the capitol was a fairly low grade riot that had no leader, no manifesto, no logistics, no intent to seize power, etc......a scenario which does not cast a shadow on the definition of an insurrection. Asserting that it was is an escalation amid an otherwise tense situation. Cool heads would exercise caution. But you throw bombs. Typical.

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Who is the leader of the Antifa insurgency?

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the "leaderless" memes shatter credulity. Every local Antifa group has leaders.
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/

They get arrested. Andy Ngo posts pictures of them. Local news reports it. Conservative media reports it.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-leader-teacher-yvonne-felarca-arrested-at-empathy-tent-berkeley-brawl

But deep state media spends so much energy selling the "leaderless" narrative that the true nature of the movement is largely unknown by the public. The obvious (i.e. what should be a focus of the stores) is noted in the police statement in this link - Antifa is VERY well organized, and organization does not happen organically. It happens when effective leadership is in place. Antifa shows up at designated times, places, with coordinated tactics, and very creative use of non-lethal means of attack that frustrate legal police responses.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/20/antifa-rioters-fire-mortars-at-seattle-police-stations-smash-windows-at-amazon-starbucks-walgreens-n664762?fbclid=IwAR2Hcl1Hjy-ItPTVfDwuDIt96sedBa6ptN8oChxYJaP62k7gF_9kvmrVXf4&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=e47eb441b203625b15ac93fcc9bedbe9d1422a17-1622888228-0-ATIqPNPUkNgr5lA4kffIJRLCkZfEJdjaxf36gjWYeY3UaGF0U1RpNoxe-x5CTfk0T_H4M3phwHnumrKU2gUZFE8yrDSEH1P5YC8MAJzp_6Z4U8MfDtEUB-hdRswDSwdxY8Wqy3oaA-bSPLurnzGd6O6uawuc6gck92oFC60taW9m5myBZGhqATiHskMSKOdn_al-hBEZuezC9anuJ6WddW2O4q91eq_U2X0F8YNjqD_A-pxEF2B2PE3dymUnqpxO_OT0F7dNEjoend_NlLaq3LTKsKDp5AsEg1IyT5mXqJb8sZzQWDCDBzNQ1-f_wlsofIvoY66MSNamwwPpVbiV2a88T63sEizQWuAYP2hXj1ixFOnPdN9amExnr31WUQp7WynyPqZJpLwuBc86L8xbiXLegDBYw547UM8XEPSlfvtRNqABLsFhI2LlDfMOeL9mH8t46_rR4DE1Ftee-tDJqcm39Ym8PVzW_z4xA-IRVZvyzbFvbNNwYWtlGBtQdXYavXh8SVc2Ql5e5PZTT89o3CGbdgSOhVvimW05AudP2iSk84b4QZ0itZAi4IxY0aoRoAvkMOwgytwc7KuMo7G4rVkg0JKElwiCAXvtsx9bRwC-R-vN7-jkN9FgVUA-rXvBoPgjiDU8JjAB0Avbg5p1Vs1z4YdCwf2vfXRo855cd928


Wouldn't this guy be a leader?

emocrat militias, pure & simple.

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You are the one denying reality. Leftist insurgency has been going on all over the country - cops assassinated, police stations overrun, homes of police and politicians vandalized, cities burned by the block, including buildings throughout the District of Columbia, federal territory constitutionally reserved as the seat of the federal government. Many elements of State 2 Maoist insurgency playing out in real time, all over the country. You ignore that, then contrive a riot into an insurrection.

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