Jack Bauer said:

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Never let a grift go away...

KJP: "There was suppression that we saw throughout the Georgia election...but look, even with that, the American people came out." pic.twitter.com/QEmIjregab

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 7, 2022

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the American people came out? You mean Georgians right? Also, you should not label the Dem party as "the" American people(they are not more or less American than the GOP and the Trumpsters). The Georgians chose the Dem party and democracy prevailed.


There was no suppression. People voted and Warnock won. Simple as that..

AZ could take lessons.

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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From WaPo
Democrats padded their Senate majority on Tuesday night thanks in part to a rebuke of the Republican candidate in Georgia's suburbs.

Turnout was somewhat lower in Tuesday's runoff than in the November general election, by about 400,000 voters, but Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D) more than doubled his lead over Republican Herschel Walker. The Democrat led by about 95,000 votes as of Wednesday, besting his 37,000-vote margin in the general election.

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Thanks to GOP pro-growth policies in places like Georgia the suburbs are increasingly diverse and filled with non-GOP voters…another brilliant move by the party.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Never let a grift go away...

KJP: "There was suppression that we saw throughout the Georgia election...but look, even with that, the American people came out." pic.twitter.com/QEmIjregab

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 7, 2022

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the American people came out? You mean Georgians right? Also, you should not label the Dem party as "the" American people(they are not more or less American than the GOP and the Trumpsters). The Georgians chose the Dem party and democracy prevailed.


There was no suppression. People voted and Warnock won. Simple as that..

AZ could take lessons.

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So Georgia was full of voter suppression that she can't cite and she has no comment on actual voter suppression in AZ. How convenient.

Jack Bauer said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Never let a grift go away...

KJP: "There was suppression that we saw throughout the Georgia election...but look, even with that, the American people came out." pic.twitter.com/QEmIjregab

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 7, 2022

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the American people came out? You mean Georgians right? Also, you should not label the Dem party as "the" American people(they are not more or less American than the GOP and the Trumpsters). The Georgians chose the Dem party and democracy prevailed.


There was no suppression. People voted and Warnock won. Simple as that..

AZ could take lessons.

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So Georgia was full of voter suppression that she can't cite and she has no comment on actual voter suppression in AZ. How convenient.

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over 100k signed in to vote on election day and didnt in Maricopa alone.. found the suppression. They looking in the wrong state!

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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From WaPo
Democrats padded their Senate majority on Tuesday night thanks in part to a rebuke of the Republican candidate in Georgia's suburbs.

Turnout was somewhat lower in Tuesday's runoff than in the November general election, by about 400,000 voters, but Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D) more than doubled his lead over Republican Herschel Walker. The Democrat led by about 95,000 votes as of Wednesday, besting his 37,000-vote margin in the general election.

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Thanks to GOP pro-growth policies in places like Georgia the suburbs are increasingly diverse and filled with non-GOP voters…another brilliant move by the party.

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Your're really going to shame pro growth policies? It isn't a race diversity thing, it's an out of stater thing in the suburbs. But Georgia's still heavily red. Everyone is just focused on the perfect storm of Isakson's health, COVID and Trump that let Ossoff and Warnock slip in.

ATL Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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From WaPo
Democrats padded their Senate majority on Tuesday night thanks in part to a rebuke of the Republican candidate in Georgia's suburbs.

Turnout was somewhat lower in Tuesday's runoff than in the November general election, by about 400,000 voters, but Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D) more than doubled his lead over Republican Herschel Walker. The Democrat led by about 95,000 votes as of Wednesday, besting his 37,000-vote margin in the general election.

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Thanks to GOP pro-growth policies in places like Georgia the suburbs are increasingly diverse and filled with non-GOP voters…another brilliant move by the party.

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Your're really going to shame pro growth policies? It isn't a race diversity thing, it's an out of stater thing in the suburbs. But Georgia's still heavily red. Everyone is just focused on the perfect storm of Isakson's health, COVID and Trump that let Ossoff and Warnock slip in.

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I want to know his remedy

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Kari Lake: AZ tabulator machines were broken, people went to multiple polling places to vote and the counted and uncounted ballots co-mingled. And counties are being forced to certify results under threat of a felony.

MSM: Ha, you nutjob!! That doesn't prove any voter supression!!!

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Left: There was voter supression in Georgia because...rain.
MSM: Please tell us more about this travesty!!!!

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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From WaPo
Democrats padded their Senate majority on Tuesday night thanks in part to a rebuke of the Republican candidate in Georgia's suburbs.

Turnout was somewhat lower in Tuesday's runoff than in the November general election, by about 400,000 voters, but Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D) more than doubled his lead over Republican Herschel Walker. The Democrat led by about 95,000 votes as of Wednesday, besting his 37,000-vote margin in the general election.

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Thanks to GOP pro-growth policies in places like Georgia the suburbs are increasingly diverse and filled with non-GOP voters…another brilliant move by the party.

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Your're really going to shame pro growth policies? It isn't a race diversity thing, it's an out of stater thing in the suburbs. But Georgia's still heavily red. Everyone is just focused on the perfect storm of Isakson's health, COVID and Trump that let Ossoff and Warnock slip in.

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California used to be the kind of place that elected people like Nixon and Reagan.

It was once consider a "right wing place"

But the GOP decided it would rather shill for big business and cheap labor than represent its actual voters….

Not sure what you're implying by that, but here's an election map too.



Of course Reagan would likely be considered a RINO by today's litmus test.

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Not sure what you're implying by that, but here's an election map too.



Of course Reagan would likely be considered a RINO by today's litmus test.

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which would be super weird as JFK is considered more GOP than Dem in 2022 standards

Georgia GOP has more than just a Herschel problem…

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Not sure what you're implying by that, but here's an election map too.



Of course Reagan would likely be considered a RINO by today's litmus test.

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which would be super weird as JFK is considered more GOP than Dem in 2022 standards

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JFK might be more GOP by 2015 standards. By 2022 standards he would be considered a radical leftist just for supporting the J6 committee.

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Finally, somebody with a braincell on the GOP side..

If elected to RNC Chairwoman role, one of my first job offers will be to @ScottPresler — if he will have us — to inspire and train our ground forces on voter registration and getting every ballot to the ballot box by all legal means!

— Harmeet K. Dhillon (@pnjaban) December 6, 2022

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I’ve learned not to focus my energy on things I can’t control. So, instead of pointing fingers at others,

I’m going to spend Dec.-Jan. working on the RNC Chair race, creating a ballot harvesting manual,

& preparing to flip the Kentucky and Louisiana governorships in 2023.

— #ThePersistence (@ScottPresler) December 7, 2022

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Jack Bauer said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Never let a grift go away...

KJP: "There was suppression that we saw throughout the Georgia election...but look, even with that, the American people came out." pic.twitter.com/QEmIjregab

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 7, 2022

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the American people came out? You mean Georgians right? Also, you should not label the Dem party as "the" American people(they are not more or less American than the GOP and the Trumpsters). The Georgians chose the Dem party and democracy prevailed.


There was no suppression. People voted and Warnock won. Simple as that..

AZ could take lessons.

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So Georgia was full of voter suppression that she can't cite and she has no comment on actual voter suppression in AZ. How convenient.

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They can't quit the stupidity. Drag along the narrative despite a complete lack of facts or proof.

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With 90% of the national media in their pocket……Dems don't need facts or proof . They can lie with impunity.

Meanwhile thousands of illegals are being admitted into our country EVERY SINGLE DAY.

And people still can't comprehend the incredible threat it represents.

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Georgia GOP has more than just a Herschel problem…

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Not understanding the point here.

Canada2017 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Never let a grift go away...

KJP: "There was suppression that we saw throughout the Georgia election...but look, even with that, the American people came out." pic.twitter.com/QEmIjregab

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 7, 2022

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the American people came out? You mean Georgians right? Also, you should not label the Dem party as "the" American people(they are not more or less American than the GOP and the Trumpsters). The Georgians chose the Dem party and democracy prevailed.


There was no suppression. People voted and Warnock won. Simple as that..

AZ could take lessons.

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So Georgia was full of voter suppression that she can't cite and she has no comment on actual voter suppression in AZ. How convenient.

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They can't quit the stupidity. Drag along the narrative despite a complete lack of facts or proof.

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With 90% of the national media in their pocket……Dems don't need facts or proof . They can lie with impunity.

Meanwhile thousands of illegals are being admitted into our country EVERY SINGLE DAY.

And people still can't comprehend the incredible threat it represents.

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I would probably be considered middle of the road on immigration (liberal on this board ha!). I'm not an open border person, but I support a robust immigration policy for economic reasons. Nevertheless, even I am amazed at what is being allowed to happen at the Southern border. It is a travesty and is not a productive approach to immigration by any stretch, but in fact destructive on many levels.

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Georgia GOP has more than just a Herschel problem…

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Not understanding the point here.

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The point is that the GOP has more than just a "one bad candidate" problem.

It's losing close Senate races with other types of candidates on the ballot.

Or was Purdue a bad candidate in his senate run as well?

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Georgia GOP has more than just a Herschel problem…

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Not understanding the point here.

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The point is that the GOP has more than just a "one bad candidate" problem.

It's losing close Senate races with other types of candidates on the ballot.

Or was Purdue a bad candidate in his senate run as well?

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No, Perdue was a victim of the 2020 election situation (Trump too). The onslaught of harvestable absentee ballots due to the "no reason" eligibility of absentee voting in 2020 gave a tremendous advantage to the highly populated Democratic strongholds in the state. Perdue never should have lost to Ossof, and in fact is a bigger tragedy/surprise than Trump's loss in 2020 in the state. The subsequent election law passed in the state remedied that. You should look at Kemp's (and/or other statewide candidates in Georgia) and their election maps in 2022 to see how it returned to more traditional election performances by Republicans. Not to mention how it exemplifies Walker's "bad candidate" performance.

EDIT: And just to highlight the point, had the Gubernatorial election also been in 2020, there's a high likelihood Stacey Abrams would have won also.

Exactly. Trump poisoned the GOP well in 2020. Turnout numbers were way down thanks to Trump splitting the party, attacking Kemp and the state GOP, and flat discouraging folks from voting.

This is not to say that GA is an overwhelmingly red state. It is not. But it should be more like NC - GOP consistently winning by narrow margins with the occasional Dem moderate win. Kemp's election, congressional, and local races (and general polling) demonstrate this. As I posted before the election and again this week, an "unnamed/hypothetical" Republican polled better than HW. An average candidate would have beat Warnock. In the first election, over 200,000 Republicans voted Republican except for Walker, and the margin was Warnock by around 37,000.

HW was the only GOP statewide candidate to lose.

GOP by far got more total votes in combined congressional, state senate, and state house races.

Every GA state/fed candidate that Trump explicitly endorsed lost their primary, except two. Of those two, one lost in the general (HW), the other (B Jones) won but underperformed every other statewide GOP candidate except HW.

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Kemp?
Lost two statewide Senate seats.
one was an incumbent.
one was his own appointee.

Not a strong party leader, Kemp.....

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The US Senate losses in 2020 are on Trump. butthole-hurt voters who stayed home.

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It was Trump and the pandemic. Turnout was record-breaking. The absentee ballot fiasco was the pandemic contribution. Ironically, Kemp and Raffensberger (two people Trump went after hard) fixed that issue for this past and future elections. You know, the bill that cost Atlanta the MLB All Star Game and returned "Jim Crow" according to Democrats.

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They made a fix (despite denying there was a problem) because they knew Trump was right, but they didn't fix it enough.

That's four Senate election losses in a row, squeakers all, by candidates endorsed/appointed by Trump and Kemp.

GA is officially a purple state. Dems will use their machine to slowly eat away the state level offices, then down into the state house. That will take a few cycles. Unless GA moderate Republicans wake up and realize they're living in a dream world.

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There's only one group living in an alternate world, and it's the Trump loyalists. The one inkling of something you're correct about is that Kemp made a mistake choosing Loeffler over Collins.

This race? Kemp wanted no part of Walker until he was forced/begged to. Everyone forgets he was insulted by Trump consistently during the primary as Trump pumped Walker. He wasn't wanted until he was.

But once again a political novice with nothing but name recognition and a Trump endorsement goes down.

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Every Senate incumbent won. Incumbents are hard to beat. Walker came very, very close.

I appreciate you mentioning Kemp there in bold. GA has a problem in the party - grassroots and establishment bickering. Kemp did not respond effectively to the 2020 election hot-potato. Then compounded it by refusing to help the 2020 Senate nominee due to the connection to Trump, thereby creating a problem for himself and the party. Whatever can be said about Trump, Kemp has fingerprints on the loss of TWO senate seats, in the span of four elections.

"We hang together, or we hang separately."
--Benjamin Franklin.

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Kemp?
Lost two statewide Senate seats.
one was an incumbent.
one was his own appointee.

Not a strong party leader, Kemp.....

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The US Senate losses in 2020 are on Trump. butthole-hurt voters who stayed home.

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FIFY

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It was Trump and the pandemic. Turnout was record-breaking. The absentee ballot fiasco was the pandemic contribution. Ironically, Kemp and Raffensberger (two people Trump went after hard) fixed that issue for this past and future elections. You know, the bill that cost Atlanta the MLB All Star Game and returned "Jim Crow" according to Democrats.

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They made a fix (despite denying there was a problem) because they knew Trump was right, but they didn't fix it enough.

That's four Senate election losses in a row, squeakers all, by candidates endorsed/appointed by Trump and Kemp.

GA is officially a purple state. Dems will use their machine to slowly eat away the state level offices, then down into the state house. That will take a few cycles. Unless GA moderate Republicans wake up and realize they're living in a dream world.

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There's only one group living in an alternate world, and it's the Trump loyalists. The one inkling of something you're correct about is that Kemp made a mistake choosing Loeffler over Collins.

This race? Kemp wanted no part of Walker until he was forced/begged to. Everyone forgets he was insulted by Trump consistently during the primary as Trump pumped Walker. He wasn't wanted until he was.

But once again a political novice with nothing but name recognition and a Trump endorsement goes down.

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Every Senate incumbent won. Incumbents are hard to beat. Walker came very, very close.

I appreciate you mentioning Kemp there in bold. GA has a problem in the party - grassroots and establishment bickering. Kemp did not respond effectively to the 2020 election hot-potato. Then compounded it by refusing to help the 2020 Senate nominee due to the connection to Trump, thereby creating a problem for himself and the party. Whatever can be said about Trump, Kemp has fingerprints on the loss of TWO senate seats, in the span of four elections.

"We hang together, or we hang separately."
--Benjamin Franklin.

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Every Trump candidate ran behind the Republican state wide candidate in 2022. Why?

Trump cost the GOP the Senate in 2020 and 2022. That's a fact.

Trump & his candidates lost in 2018, 2020, 2021, & 2022. You continue to promote and defend him.

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Exactly. Trump poisoned the GOP well in 2020. Turnout numbers were way down thanks to Trump splitting the party, attacking Kemp and the state GOP, and flat discouraging folks from voting.

This is not to say that GA is an overwhelmingly red state. It is not. But it should be more like NC - GOP consistently winning by narrow margins with the occasional Dem moderate win. Kemp's election, congressional, and local races (and general polling) demonstrate this. As I posted before the election and again this week, an "unnamed/hypothetical" Republican polled better than HW. An average candidate would have beat Warnock. In the first election, over 200,000 Republicans voted Republican except for Walker, and the margin was Warnock by around 37,000.

HW was the only GOP statewide candidate to lose.

GOP by far got more total votes in combined congressional, state senate, and state house races.

Every GA state/fed candidate that Trump explicitly endorsed lost their primary, except two. Of those two, one lost in the general (HW), the other (B Jones) won but underperformed every other statewide GOP candidate except HW.

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Part in bold supports my comment above about party infighting in GA. The party establishment is more worried about being "too conservative" than about getting conservatives elected. Spent several hours over a few nights around a campfire with a significant GA donor. Good dude. Kemp fan. And like the majority of GOP donors, quite verkrampte toward the ideological side of politics. Common problem with Republican businessmen. They are far more concerned with "good governance" than conservatism, and are more correctly understood as "not liberals" than "conservatives." that in & of itself wouldn't be so much of a problem were the "not liberal" donor more tolerant of movement conservatives. As a rule, they are not. Ergo the problem.

Example of problems in GA GOP: Perdue (an incumbent) got more votes than Ossof in the general election, but lost the runoff. Runoff elections are supposed to favor the party with the most registrations and/or the best ground (turnout) operation. Normally, the party with the most registrations also has the best ground operation. In GA, that is clearly not the case. Dems have a superior GOTV machine that transforms a red state at the county level to a Purple state in a statewide election. THAT is on Kemp. THAT is on the GA GOP. GOP moderates do not want to let GOP conservatives gain control over the party. Exhibit A, as has been noted by others, is Kemp's selection of Loffler, a non-native to GA, to freeze out Collins, from the conservative wing of the party and who led the House defense of Trump during impeachment.

Not trying to lay everything on Kemp. Insisting on balance. There are a lot of reasons why GA has two Senators and Trump is not exactly the lion's share of it. There is no excuse whatsoever for a Republican losing a runoff in GA. It should be a layup for the party with the most registrations and best ground-game. GA GOP is being very poorly led.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Never let a grift go away...

KJP: "There was suppression that we saw throughout the Georgia election...but look, even with that, the American people came out." pic.twitter.com/QEmIjregab

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 7, 2022

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the American people came out? You mean Georgians right? Also, you should not label the Dem party as "the" American people(they are not more or less American than the GOP and the Trumpsters). The Georgians chose the Dem party and democracy prevailed.


There was no suppression. People voted and Warnock won. Simple as that..

AZ could take lessons.

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So Georgia was full of voter suppression that she can't cite and she has no comment on actual voter suppression in AZ. How convenient.

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They can't quit the stupidity. Drag along the narrative despite a complete lack of facts or proof.

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With 90% of the national media in their pocket……Dems don't need facts or proof . They can lie with impunity.

Meanwhile thousands of illegals are being admitted into our country EVERY SINGLE DAY.

And people still can't comprehend the incredible threat it represents.

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I would probably be considered middle of the road on immigration (liberal on this board ha!). I'm not an open border person, but I support a robust immigration policy for economic reasons. Nevertheless, even I am amazed at what is being allowed to happen at the Southern border. It is a travesty and is not a productive approach to immigration by any stretch, but in fact destructive on many levels.

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Don't conflate "immigration" with "illegal immigration." That's what Dem media narratives do reflexively. In fact, it is entirely compatible to want a border wall while also wanting to increase legal immigration. Insist on keeping the two issues separate or they will successfully portray you as a white supremacist.

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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From WaPo
Democrats padded their Senate majority on Tuesday night thanks in part to a rebuke of the Republican candidate in Georgia's suburbs.

Turnout was somewhat lower in Tuesday's runoff than in the November general election, by about 400,000 voters, but Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D) more than doubled his lead over Republican Herschel Walker. The Democrat led by about 95,000 votes as of Wednesday, besting his 37,000-vote margin in the general election.

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again, runoffs are tests of turnout. the party with the best ground game tends to win runoffs.

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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and how much of that undervote was McCain faction crossover? people just leaving the race blank.

AZ, like GA, has a serious problem with state GOP infighting. Liz Cheney spent $500k in AZ against Lake, and actually went out on the campaign trail with some Democrat House members in close races.

She also campaigned in AZ against Lake. Note the banner behind her. Even heard her criticizing Ted Cruz for helping the GOP ticket in AZ.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/10/05/cheney-mccain-institute-campaign-event-at-asu-raises-legality-questions/

That's flagrant party establishment working to defeat party candidates in general elections solely for the purpose of restoring themselves to power in the party.

It is fundamentally unserious to assert that party in-fighting has no effect on mid-term elections. Cheney (to whom some here have donated funds that were spent in AZ and elsewhere to defeat Republicans) literally worked to defeat Trump endorsed candidates, then (ike several here) turned around after the mid-terms and blamed Trump for the losses. That is intellectual dishonest of the highest order.

Whiterock, you keep referring to GA GOP infighting being a problem, yet the GA GOP won everything, literally everything, except Walker. And Kemp is one of the 5 most popular governors in the country. Trump started a GA fight in 2020, and it hurt the party and country badly, but everyone but Trump moved on.

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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and how much of that undervote was McCain faction crossover? people just leaving the race blank.

AZ, like GA, has a serious problem with state GOP infighting. Liz Cheney spent $500k in AZ against Lake, and actually went out on the campaign trail with some Democrat House members in close races.

She also campaigned in AZ against Lake. Note the banner behind her. Even heard her criticizing Ted Cruz for helping the GOP ticket in AZ.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/10/05/cheney-mccain-institute-campaign-event-at-asu-raises-legality-questions/

That's flagrant party establishment working to defeat party candidates in general elections solely for the purpose of restoring themselves to power in the party.

It is fundamentally unserious to assert that party in-fighting has no effect on mid-term elections. Cheney (to whom some here have donated funds that were spent in AZ and elsewhere to defeat Republicans) literally worked to defeat Trump endorsed candidates, then (ike several here) turned around after the mid-terms and blamed Trump for the losses. That is intellectual dishonest of the highest order.

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Greatness. Liz kicked Trump's ass. She also spent more money in AZ than Trump.

Sounds like some here contributed to a winner

It seems that Trump Dead Enders want to blame everyone but the Dear Leader

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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and how much of that undervote was McCain faction crossover? people just leaving the race blank.

AZ, like GA, has a serious problem with state GOP infighting. Liz Cheney spent $500k in AZ against Lake, and actually went out on the campaign trail with some Democrat House members in close races.

She also campaigned in AZ against Lake. Note the banner behind her. Even heard her criticizing Ted Cruz for helping the GOP ticket in AZ.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/10/05/cheney-mccain-institute-campaign-event-at-asu-raises-legality-questions/

That's flagrant party establishment working to defeat party candidates in general elections solely for the purpose of restoring themselves to power in the party.

It is fundamentally unserious to assert that party in-fighting has no effect on mid-term elections. Cheney (to whom some here have donated funds that were spent in AZ and elsewhere to defeat Republicans) literally worked to defeat Trump endorsed candidates, then (ike several here) turned around after the mid-terms and blamed Trump for the losses. That is intellectual dishonest of the highest order.

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Greatness. Liz kicked Trump's ass. She also spent more money in AZ than Trump.

Sounds like some here contributed to a winner

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Liz literally got throw out of office by her constituents....she didn't kick Trumps ass....he is not even in office.

Now she may or may not have contributed to Mrs. Lakes loss in Arizona....but of course Mrs. Lake is not Trump so there was no reason for her to work against the chosen Republican candidate for office except that Liz hates any populist conservative candidate and wants the party to return and be the sole owned property of the Bush-Cheney corporatist wing.

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Whiterock, you keep referring to GA GOP infighting being a problem, yet the GA GOP won everything, literally everything, except Walker. And Kemp is one of the 5 most popular governors in the country. Trump started a GA fight in 2020, and it hurt the party and country badly, but everyone but Trump moved on.

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If everyone moved on then how did Trump cause so much problems in Georgia?

People on here act like he has the personal power to chose the GOP candidate for Senate in Georgia.

Walker had to win a primary vote among the GOP faithful.

Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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and how much of that undervote was McCain faction crossover? people just leaving the race blank.

AZ, like GA, has a serious problem with state GOP infighting. Liz Cheney spent $500k in AZ against Lake, and actually went out on the campaign trail with some Democrat House members in close races.

She also campaigned in AZ against Lake. Note the banner behind her. Even heard her criticizing Ted Cruz for helping the GOP ticket in AZ.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/10/05/cheney-mccain-institute-campaign-event-at-asu-raises-legality-questions/

That's flagrant party establishment working to defeat party candidates in general elections solely for the purpose of restoring themselves to power in the party.

It is fundamentally unserious to assert that party in-fighting has no effect on mid-term elections. Cheney (to whom some here have donated funds that were spent in AZ and elsewhere to defeat Republicans) literally worked to defeat Trump endorsed candidates, then (ike several here) turned around after the mid-terms and blamed Trump for the losses. That is intellectual dishonest of the highest order.

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Greatness. Liz kicked Trump's ass. She also spent more money in AZ than Trump.

Sounds like some here contributed to a winner

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Liz literally got throw out of office by her constituents....she didn't kick Trumps ass....he is not even in office.

Now she may or may not have contributed to Mrs. Lakes loss in Arizona....but of course Mrs. Lake is not Trump so there was no reason for her to work against the chosen Republican candidate for office except that Liz hates any populist conservative candidate and wants the party to return and be the sole owned property of the Bush-Cheney corporatist wing.

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Whiterock blames Liz for the defeat of Trump candidates. If you disagree, take it up with white rock

whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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From WaPo
Democrats padded their Senate majority on Tuesday night thanks in part to a rebuke of the Republican candidate in Georgia's suburbs.

Turnout was somewhat lower in Tuesday's runoff than in the November general election, by about 400,000 voters, but Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D) more than doubled his lead over Republican Herschel Walker. The Democrat led by about 95,000 votes as of Wednesday, besting his 37,000-vote margin in the general election.

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again, runoffs are tests of turnout. the party with the best ground game tends to win runoffs.

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Exatcly,

And Democrats have had a better ground game than the GOP for a while now.

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Whiterock, you keep referring to GA GOP infighting being a problem, yet the GA GOP won everything, literally everything, except Walker. And Kemp is one of the 5 most popular governors in the country. Trump started a GA fight in 2020, and it hurt the party and country badly, but everyone but Trump moved on.

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If everyone moved on then how did Trump cause so much problems in Georgia?

People on here act like he has the personal power to chose the GOP candidate for Senate in Georgia.

Walker had to win a primary vote among the GOP faithful.

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amazing tunnel vision, isn't it.

We keep hearing GA is deep red yet, somehow, it has two blue senators DESPITE the popularity of a governor (who personally appointed a candidate who lost to one of those two blue senators).

If Trump is such a drag on the party, how did all those other GOP races get won the last two cycles?
Why did it only affect the Senate races? (where candidates from both wings of the GA party got beat).

Inconvenient facts for the neverTrumpers......

Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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How did Kari Lake perform in Maricopa County, AZ, specifically, compared with other Republicans?
Ms. Lake received 77,342 fewer votes than GOP state Treasurer Kimberly Yee.
Ms. Lake received 39,165 fewer votes than the combined GOP U.S. House candidates.
Ms. Lake received 23,901 fewer votes than GOP county prosecutor Rachel Mitchell.
These figures are especially striking because voter interest wanes down the ballot. Compared with the Governor's race, 78,000 fewer people voted for local prosecutor. Yet Ms. Mitchell still won more raw ballots than Ms. Lake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kari-lake-is-the-new-stacey-abrams-arizona-gubernatorial-election-11669849107

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This is the break that the Trumpists conveniently ignore. It's all over the place.

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and how much of that undervote was McCain faction crossover? people just leaving the race blank.

AZ, like GA, has a serious problem with state GOP infighting. Liz Cheney spent $500k in AZ against Lake, and actually went out on the campaign trail with some Democrat House members in close races.

She also campaigned in AZ against Lake. Note the banner behind her. Even heard her criticizing Ted Cruz for helping the GOP ticket in AZ.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/10/05/cheney-mccain-institute-campaign-event-at-asu-raises-legality-questions/

That's flagrant party establishment working to defeat party candidates in general elections solely for the purpose of restoring themselves to power in the party.

It is fundamentally unserious to assert that party in-fighting has no effect on mid-term elections. Cheney (to whom some here have donated funds that were spent in AZ and elsewhere to defeat Republicans) literally worked to defeat Trump endorsed candidates, then (ike several here) turned around after the mid-terms and blamed Trump for the losses. That is intellectual dishonest of the highest order.

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Greatness. Liz kicked Trump's ass. She also spent more money in AZ than Trump.

Sounds like some here contributed to a winner

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Liz literally got throw out of office by her constituents....she didn't kick Trumps ass....he is not even in office.

Now she may or may not have contributed to Mrs. Lakes loss in Arizona....but of course Mrs. Lake is not Trump so there was no reason for her to work against the chosen Republican candidate for office except that Liz hates any populist conservative candidate and wants the party to return and be the sole owned property of the Bush-Cheney corporatist wing.

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Whiterock blames Liz for the defeat of Trump candidates. If you disagree, take it up with white rock

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Pointing out the well-known (that the McCain wing of the AZ party is at war with the grassroots (Kelly Ward) wing of the party) is not ascribing 100% blame to a single factor. Pointing out that the McCain Foundation hosted Cheney AFTER she pledged to defeat Ward and spent some of your money to do it is not ascribing 100% of the blame. Pointing out that party infighting results in undervote and crossover voting is not ascribing 100% of the blame. It is, however, pointing out several things that do matter a lot in a close race. And that's before we get to the matter of election day issues which in any other context would be conceded as a material factor that suppressed vote totals, Dem mail-in voting machinery, etc......

You are the one attempting to ascribe 100% of the blame to a single factor.

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Whiterock, you keep referring to GA GOP infighting being a problem, yet the GA GOP won everything, literally everything, except Walker. And Kemp is one of the 5 most popular governors in the country. Trump started a GA fight in 2020, and it hurt the party and country badly, but everyone but Trump moved on.

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If everyone moved on then how did Trump cause so much problems in Georgia?

People on here act like he has the personal power to chose the GOP candidate for Senate in Georgia.

Walker had to win a primary vote among the GOP faithful.

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You're nowhere near that naive. Trump targeted and handpicked Walker from the beginning and pressured others not to challenge him. That's why he had no serious challenger. That's not in dispute.

Trouble Trump caused? Very simple: Major trouble in 2020 costing us 2 Senate seats, then hand-picking Walker and keeping others away. GA GOP tried to play nice by going along with Walker, and now we have 6 years of Warnock.

You're seriously doubting whether Trump had the "personal power" to select primary candidates? His hand-picked and primary-endorsed candidates won virtually every major primary - AZ, NH, GA, OH, NV, and PA. Trump's problem has not been influencing primaries . . . it's what happens subsequently . . . .