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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:26p, 6/18/25
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I certainly would hope and expect our military to have long ago developed plans for military operations in Iran, and that these have been reviewed with the administration. I would also expect and hope that Trump has been advised in the strongest of terms the reasons for NOT executing those plans.
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The biggest donor to AIPAC is Leonid Radvinsky, the owner of Onlyfans - the largest porn site on the internet.
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The key question is have the LWNJs replaced their Ukrainian flags with Iranian flags?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 7:43p, 6/18/25
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Ted Cruz should resign immediately.

He just totally embarrassed Texas on the world stage.

He was ignorant, inarticulate, and overtly admitted he represents the interests of a foreign government.

How do 30 Million Texans feel about having no representation in the US senate?

I hope Paxton proves to be different and prioritizes the people of Texas. We know Cornyn is a sell out already. He is even more insufferable than Cruz!
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 8:05p, 6/18/25
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The_barBEARian said:
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Mitch Blood Green said:
FLBear5630 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
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Mothra said:
J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.

Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere else
Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.

Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.

Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.

As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.

They don't just "get" Nevada...


Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.

A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.

The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.

Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.

Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
The solution that would benefit the Palestinians the most would be to become part of Israel. My advice to them would be to learn to like Israelis.

Israelis will never allow that.

Jews would become a minority and the entire state is built around Jewish ethno-suprmacism.

Jews are not Anglos. They will never give up apartheid peacefully like the Anglos did in South Africa.
You can start with something like England, Wales, and Scotland. You don't have to mosh pit it from the outset, abruptly, or maybe never.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 9:06p, 6/18/25
The_barBEARian said:
ATL Bear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
FLBear5630 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
FLBear5630 said:
Mothra said:
J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.

Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere else
Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.

Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.

Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.

As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.

They don't just "get" Nevada...


Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.

A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.

The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.

Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.

Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
Incorrect. The people that lived in that area have always been the pimples on the ******* of the Middle East. They were basically brought there to clean toilets and have been treated that way ever since. No one wants them. Not even other Palestinians, which is why Hamas puts its bombs in hospitals so Israel will kill more of them.
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In reply to Harrison Bergeron • 9:15p, 6/18/25
Harrison Bergeron said:
The_barBEARian said:
ATL Bear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
FLBear5630 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
FLBear5630 said:
Mothra said:
J.R. said:
I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.
A Palestinian state controlled by Hamas or Iranian proxies from which Palestinians could continue to launch attacks? No thanks.

Nobody outside of Iran really wants a Palestinian state in that region. They know it would be a total ****show and a source for future conflicts.
The proof of that is how many Arab nations have offered the Palestinians land? I would say the Kurds are more welcome in Turkey than the Palestinians are anywhere else
Why aren't we offering Palestinians land? Nevada is sparsely populated.

Palestinians have land. They lived on it peacefully until 1948. Over the last 35 years, they've seen nothing but incursions onto their land by their neighbor in violation of international law.

Your solution cannot be that they now become a ward in another person's homeland?
No, that they live in Israel as the majority of other Arabs there do and prosper.

As for other States taking them in, yes. That is where they live, their neighbors should take them. Not us. We take enough immigrants in each year. If they want to come to the US, go through the immigration system like millions of others did and do. Including my Grandfather.

They don't just "get" Nevada...


Gaza and West Bank are not part of Israel. They are "occupied" by Isreal. Both are Palestinian land.

A major issue is that Isreal continues to allow Israeli's to seize West Bank land.
They're like Indian reservations. Territorial scraps given to a long defeated people trying to hang onto a past that's never going to return, but foreign guilt facilitates with dumb money and poor policy. Meanwhile, the people languish in squalor angry at the wrong enemy, feeding off the energy of Islamic jingoism and smuggled weapons to fight battles for its uncaring "allies", like Iran.

The significant benefit to the Palestinian people that would occur from a regime change in Iran is not without a giant sense of irony given current events.

Traditionally the Palestinian people's biggest ally were their fellow Arabs... but several wars and boatloads of stolen US taxpayer money may have finally broken their resolve.

Now ironically enough... the strongest, and probably last, ally the Palestinians have left is American Millennials and Gen Z who overwhelming do not support Israel - for a million different and extremely valid reasons.
Incorrect. The people that lived in that area have always been the pimples on the ******* of the Middle East. They were basically brought there to clean toilets and have been treated that way ever since. No one wants them. Not even other Palestinians, which is why Hamas puts its bombs in hospitals so Israel will kill more of them.

So you've lived and worked all over the Middle East then?

Let me know your background? How many years did you live over there?
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In reply to Mothra • 9:16p, 6/18/25
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as evidenced by the recent poll that conservatives support what's happening in Iran by a very large margin. So, he's espousing views that can best be described as "fringe.".


Reality disagrees with your assertion.

Only 16% Of Americans, 19% Of Trump Voters Want US To Join Israel's War On Iran
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/only-16-americans-19-trump-voters-want-us-join-israels-war-iran
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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:25p, 6/18/25
boognish_bear said:

Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:00p, 6/18/25
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Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
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LIB,MR BEARS said:
The_barBEARian said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
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I don't necessarily have a problem dropping the Bunker Busters to destroy their Nuclear program , however, if we help Izzy, I would insist a lasting FIX for Gaza (a Palestinian State) with no Netanyahu BS in return. I DO NOT trust Netanyahu and his govt in the least.

Do a lend-lease on a couple B1s. Sell the IDF a dozen bunker busters. Problem solved. We would be no more involved than China and Russia already are.

We sell arms
China sells arms
Russia sells arms

Shouldn't be a problem.

Dont you think the Israelis would have thought of that ahead of time if the plan the entire time wasn't to drag America into fighting their war?

They used a hidden drone base inside Iran to kill a dozen high ranking Iranian officers on the 1st day of this conflict. They have been planning this attack for decades.

They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives.

Dont be stupid. Do not give them what they want. Protect our people!

Do you believe the Israelis can win this and destabilize Iranian leadership?

IMHO it seems they are well on their way to doing this. Do you concur?


Yes. But they are approaching the limits of what they can achieve without IDF boots on the ground.

Again as long as US stay out of this, I will remain a happy camper.

Let Israel fight its own wars.


You said " They expect Americans to do their dirty work and for American lives to be used in place of IDF lives."

They've done all of this with only some defensive help from the US. What dirty work needs to be done that a lend-lease B1 couldn't get done?

Get a grip dude. The IDF is doing fine and your hate is still intact.

Shalom Shalom

Israel doesnt want to bomb Fordo themselves. They want us to. Otherwise it would have already happened by now.

And what a stupid statement. I am hateful for not wanting to fight another country's war? Do you live in a padded room where you arent allowed to handle sharp objects?

You've shown your a Jew hater for some time now. Remember, you said they killed Christ.

Should I be expected to like a group of people who treat me like *****

I could accuse you of being a Palestinian and a Persian hater because you want to aid Israel in killing them.

And I wont engage with your religious fanaticism. Its pointless.
Lay down on the couch, and tell us what the nasty Jews did to you, personally.

Manipulating American foreign policy, deceiving America into the Iraq war, Epstein raping American children, killing American Servicemen onboard the USS Liberty, stealing classified military technologies and selling them to the Chinese, spying on their "closest ally", being exempted from FARA for no discernable reason and interfering in our elections by paying off our politicians with boatloads of cash...

Just to be clear, you're blaming the Jews for "Epstein raping American children"?

Wow. You've said some pretty crazy stuff the last week or so, but this might take the cake.

So sorry Israel did all of those things to you.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:26p, 6/18/25
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Mothra said:


Hannity is by far the most watched conservative program (though I am no fan). Ben Shapiro is the most downloaded podcast among conservatives. Charlie Kirk is right behind him.

Hannity's audience is exclusively Boomers.

Shapiro audience has dropped off to the point the Daily Wire is considering bankruptcy.

Kirk and Turning Point are astroturfed by special interests... his show probably pulls a couple thousand viewers on average.... Tucker pulls millions of views on a bad day.
Not sure where you are getting your numbers, but Tucker's audience is likewise mostly boomers, or at least it was when he was at Fox. From what I can tell, his podcast audience is around 11th (smaller than Shapiro's) and X just records how many downloads, so it doesn't really indicate viewership.
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:30p, 6/18/25
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If you name your son Jesus, he isn't the Messiah. But pretty difficult to argue the Jewish people living in Israel aren't actually Israel.
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In reply to Realitybites • 10:33p, 6/18/25
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Mothra said:
as evidenced by the recent poll that conservatives support what's happening in Iran by a very large margin. So, he's espousing views that can best be described as "fringe.".


Reality disagrees with your assertion.

Only 16% Of Americans, 19% Of Trump Voters Want US To Join Israel's War On Iran
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/only-16-americans-19-trump-voters-want-us-join-israels-war-iran
You do realize that supporting what's happening in Iran and supporting American military involvement in Iran are two very different things, do you not?
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In reply to Mothra • 10:35p, 6/18/25
Mothra said:
Realitybites said:
Mothra said:
as evidenced by the recent poll that conservatives support what's happening in Iran by a very large margin. So, he's espousing views that can best be described as "fringe.".


Reality disagrees with your assertion.

Only 16% Of Americans, 19% Of Trump Voters Want US To Join Israel's War On Iran
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/only-16-americans-19-trump-voters-want-us-join-israels-war-iran
You do realize that supporting what's happening in Iran and supporting American military involvement in Iran are two very different things, do you not?
There are four options that I have heard up to now. Wonder how many people know about the non-invasion options?
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:36p, 6/18/25
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boognish_bear said:

Ted Cruz should resign immediately.

He just totally embarrassed Texas on the world stage.

He was ignorant, inarticulate, and overtly admitted he represents the interests of a foreign government.

How do 30 Million Texans feel about having no representation in the US senate?

I hope Paxton proves to be different and prioritizes the people of Texas. We know Cornyn is a sell out already. He is even more insufferable than Cruz!
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In reply to The_barBEARian • 10:46p, 6/18/25
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boognish_bear said:

Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.

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In reply to boognish_bear • 10:50p, 6/18/25
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Oh I'm sure that will work out well for Moscow

Really dragging the bottom when you are looking for friends among Bronze Age mindset radical Islamist's from the Hindu Kush who whip people for flying kites and listening to music in public and won't let their women attend schoolā€¦

Manā€¦..Russiaā€¦..
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In reply to boognish_bear • 11:25p, 6/18/25
Bernie doesn't have a firm grasp of Middle East realities.

That does not mean I support troops being involved, but Sanders' notion is insipid beyond belief.
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11:36p, 6/18/25
Looks like Iran just did a direct hit on an Israel hospital
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In reply to boognish_bear • 11:42p, 6/18/25
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He needs to be moved over to SCOTUS

I assume most of his colleagues in the Senate would be happy to see him make the move.

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In reply to Mothra • 11:51p, 6/18/25
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
boognish_bear said:

Cruz must have adopted this tactic from the Boomers on this site that do the same thing... you cannot have a candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby without being called racist.

Its a really ineffective way to win an argument.

It makes you look silly and stupid.
So, when you do things like blame the Jews for, say, Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps say for killing Jesus, I would submit that's not indicative of someone merely looking to have a "candid conversation about Israel or the Israel lobby," It is indicative of someone who, for whatever reason, has an visceral reaction to a race of people, and is looking to target them for events that are beyond their control. And it is, quite often, the way racist people respond to certain ethnic groups.

BTW, can you actually name the "boomers" on this website you are referencing? And what are their ages?

It is such a millennial mindset to use that term pejoratively and insultingly.


1) Was Jeffrey Epstein working for Mossad? And why has no one from his client list (which the US government has in evidence) been arrested?

2) I'm not going to get into killing Jesus with you. You are a religious fundamentalist. Thats fine. This is a free country. But whatever I wrote over a year ago really has no relevance on whether the US should fight a war with Iran today and is a poor deflection.

3) You asked for reasons why I dislike "Jews" so I gave you a list of things the State of Israel has done that I disapprove of... some more strongly than others. Of course you dismissed it all without any thoughtful consideration bcs again you are not interested in logical debate. You are a religious fundamentalist and your obsequious, cultish loyalty to the modern state of Israel comes from your Christian Zionism - a grotesque and sacrilegious misinterpretation of the bible. I grew up in the Christian tradition, I have tremendous respect Christianity, but I am also a fervent believer in the separation of Religion and State. It is challenging to share a society with people who do not make decisions not based on logic, reality, or self-interest, but on dogma, superstition, and corrupt theology.

4) Ok you are Gen X and probably pushing 60 and have more years behind than ahead of you.... I really dont want to be hostile towards seniors like yourself bcs we will all eventually be Boomers someday. But the foreign policies you support have been so incredibly destructive to this country that there may not be a country left after you are gone. I pray my generation can salvage things and leave behind a country that is safe, prosperous, and healthy when I die... I wish Boomers thought the same.

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In reply to Redbrickbear • 11:53p, 6/18/25
Redbrickbear said:
boognish_bear said:


He needs to be moved over to SCOTUS

I assume most of his colleagues in the Senate would be happy to see him make the move.


Actually this is an outstanding idea... just keep Cruz away from foreign policy decisions at any cost.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 12:07a, 6/19/25
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Oh I'm sure that will work out well for Moscow

Really dragging the bottom when you are looking for friends among Bronze Age mindset radical Islamist's from the Hindu Kush who whip people for flying kites and listening to music in public and won't let their women attend schoolā€¦

Manā€¦..Russiaā€¦..

Well Russia has been unfairly maligned and made into a pariah by the west primarily due to our intelligence agencies meddling with their sovereignty.

And lets not pretend Saudi Arabia and the rest of the despots in the Arabian peninsula are any more enlightened than the Taliban. The heir apparent of Saudi Arabia coerced a Saudi dissident into their Turkish embassy so they could decapitate and dismember him....
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12:13a, 6/19/25
Does anyone know what was the pretext of Cruz going on his podcast? Did Cruz realize it would be potentially combative. He does not seem well prepared for what came his way.

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In reply to boognish_bear • 12:18a, 6/19/25
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Does anyone know what was the pretext of Cruz going on his podcast? Did Cruz realize it would be potentially combative. He does not seem well prepared for what came his way.


That was pretty stupid reason from Cruz but Tucker's schtick is old

"What does that mean? how do you define Israel? I'm so confused. Explain it to me like i'm a 5 year old"
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