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Forest Bueller
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Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
Forest Bueller
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CSIBear said:



"Republican Pete Flores has upset Democrat Pete Gallego in a runoff, capturing a reliably blue state Senate seat vacated by a former lawmaker sentenced to 12 years in prison on federal fraud charges.

San Antonio Democratic Sen. Carlos Uresti resigned in June after being convicted of helping an oilfield service company he co-owned run a Ponzi scheme"
Is that Pete's daughter to the left of him. Wow.
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Forest Bueller said:

CSIBear said:



"Republican Pete Flores has upset Democrat Pete Gallego in a runoff, capturing a reliably blue state Senate seat vacated by a former lawmaker sentenced to 12 years in prison on federal fraud charges.

San Antonio Democratic Sen. Carlos Uresti resigned in June after being convicted of helping an oilfield service company he co-owned run a Ponzi scheme"
Is that Pete's daughter to the left of him. Wow.
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Forest Bueller
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riflebear said:



Can't believe fair minded democrats are falling for his crap.
Doc Holliday
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Forest Bueller said:

riflebear said:



Can't believe fair minded democrats are falling for his crap.
If you even toe the line one bit with leftist ideology, you will get sucked into it.
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Osodecentx said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

quash said:

Florda_mike said:




1st Hispanic State Senator!


Google must be different in Florida.
the Trailer Park can't afford Google


they use Gogle
Ahh. Folks who vote Republican live in trailer parks.

The old 'Bill Clinton Gambit'.
Florda Mike has mentioned several times before that he manages a trailer park in Floriida. That was what the poster seemed to be referring to.
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

contrario said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

contrario said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

contrario said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Osodecentx said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

quash said:

Florda_mike said:




1st Hispanic State Senator!


Google must be different in Florida.
the Trailer Park can't afford Google


they use Gogle
Ahh. Folks who vote Republican live in trailer parks.

The old 'Bill Clinton Gambit'.
No fool

Mike who has proven over a long time that he is a double digit IQ who is in desperate need of a foil hat but he can't afford it because of Tariffs, Mike who flunked out of Tee Tee and has no connection to Baylor, belongs in a Trailer Park....

If you want to defend this excuse for a human being then knock yourself out... He makes us dumber with every post....

It's hard to believe a "moderate" would defend his non-stop ****posts
I feel the same after reading both of your posts. Just because you are a left wing extremist, while he is a right wing extremist, that doesn't mean you are immune to displaying a low IQ, which you do on a regular basis as well. It's entertaining reading posts by both of you guys lol
If you can't see the difference then there was a really good reason that you had to change your screen name
I know I've won when someone claims I'm the Easter bunny or Santa Claus. So thanks JustHappy. I know in your sub-120 IQ world that is a good rebuttal, but it isn't to anyone else capable of higher-level thinking and thinking outside of sheepthink.




Are you still pretending to not be Bona and to be a moderate?

Chuckle
lol thanks for proving my point. Sheep
there is no productive conversation with someone who is so totally in the bag for the Regressives and their Oompah Loompah Messiah....

you will be known by your fruit

Your fruit is rotten
Wait, you honestly see productive conversation here? Really? Every time I try to have productive conversation a radical from the left or right chimes in with their binary opinions. To you and the other radicals on the left, anything Trump does is the worst thing ever. And to the radicals on the right, everything Trump does is the greatest thing ever. So both sides end up disagreeing with each other because neither side is incapable of seeing the truth is somewhere in the middle. It's obnoxious. And that's not how "conversations" are supposed to work. But yes, please keep pretending one of the reasonable people that can see both sides of the argument is the crazy one. Sheep
ilbb990912
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where does this Beto stand on the issues? Never heard of him before...
Osodecentx
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bubbadog said:

Osodecentx said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

quash said:

Florda_mike said:




1st Hispanic State Senator!


Google must be different in Florida.
the Trailer Park can't afford Google


they use Gogle
Ahh. Folks who vote Republican live in trailer parks.

The old 'Bill Clinton Gambit'.
Florda Mike has mentioned several times before that he manages a trailer park in Floriida. That was what the poster seemed to be referring to.
I have Florda on ignore so I wouldn't have seen his post
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Osodecentx said:

bubbadog said:

Osodecentx said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

quash said:

Florda_mike said:




1st Hispanic State Senator!


Google must be different in Florida.
the Trailer Park can't afford Google


they use Gogle
Ahh. Folks who vote Republican live in trailer parks.

The old 'Bill Clinton Gambit'.
Florda Mike has mentioned several times before that he manages a trailer park in Floriida. That was what the poster seemed to be referring to.
I have Florda on ignore so I wouldn't have seen his post


^^^ Lie lie lie

Never mentioned I managed a trailer park ever! Ridiculous assumption but typical lefties would go anywhere in order to belittle the enemy!

That's another delusion of LIQ and apparently Bubba now, who exaggerates anything I say. It would be funny if LIQ and leftists weren't such a vindictively dangerous person

It would be nice if it stopped but I'd never expect disfuntional leftists to behave honestly
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Wow.... Trump actually got one right....

Lyin Ted

https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/sep/13/texans-are/pac-backing-ted-cruz-falsely-says-beto-orourke-vot/

https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/sep/05/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-falsely-says-beto-grateful-flag-burners/



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ilbb990912 said:

where does this Beto stand on the issues? Never heard of him before...

This Beto is in Google.
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ilbb990912 said:

where does this Beto stand on the issues? Never heard of him before...
He thinks law enforcement is the new Jim Crow. Sadly the extremists on the left on here will defend this extremist view.

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ilbb990912 said:

where does this Beto stand on the issues? Never heard of him before...


Look at any issue and pick the looney tunes position. That is where he stands. Right where California tells him to.
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New poll has Cruz with the typical 9 point lead that Republicans can expect as their floor in most election years.

He's also polling with 45 percent of Hispanics and 40 percent of millennials, pretty much guaranteeing a comfortable Cruz victory if turn out is as polled, on top of that, Abbott has a 19 percent poll lead and will have coattails that help Cruz.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/09/20/cruz-up-9-points-n2520221
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Said it before and I'll say it again, the best way to defeat Beato is to let him keep talking. Hopefully Cruz will act like the adult on the platform and not like a know-it-all during the debates.
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ilbb990912 said:

where does this Beto stand on the issues? Never heard of him before...
When you find a video of him waxing eloquent on the issues, cue a recording of the Woody Woodpecker song while you watch. It helps.
bubbadog
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Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
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ilbb990912 said:

where does this Beto stand on the issues? Never heard of him before...
First debate is tonight between O'rourke and Cruz. I think the radio said this morning that it will be on C-SPAN at 6:00 p.m.
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Forest Bueller
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bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
I still know folks in Chilton, folks there still do all types of farm work, not just the illegals. I believe Beto, like most politicians, is making up scenarios to try to bolster a faulty political viewpoint.

That said it might be hard to find enough folks to fill ALL those jobs. We've aborted away over 50 million people over the years, take into account the children those children would have had, and I'm sure we've lost 100 million folks, folks that would be working and paying taxes has they been allowed to live.

But, to say, Roscoites born in America won't do the work is garbage, it's a poor area, and folks in poor areas will work, not everybody of course, and there may not be enough to fill all the job, but to say they won't do the work, that Americans won't do the hard work, is an old lie perpetrated for political gain, much like the old lie that black folks supposedly were lazy or not as smart as white folks, another blatant lie, that in the past was perpetrated for political and economic gain.


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bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
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If Ted doesn't come across as an Ivy League p.r.i.c.k and Beato continues on the psychobabble express during the debates, I might have to amend my 58%-42% Cruz victory prediction this Fall. It's trending toward 65%-35% and may become a complete rout in the 70%-30% range.

Beato is like a summer friend who talks of people and places and theories of life, but in the end you know it's all just rambling because that's not how life works. Summer is over and it's time to move back to serious pursuits.
quash
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Forest Bueller said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
I still know folks in Chilton, folks there still do all types of farm work, not just the illegals. I believe Beto, like most politicians, is making up scenarios to try to bolster a faulty political viewpoint.

That said it might be hard to find enough folks to fill ALL those jobs. We've aborted away over 50 million people over the years, take into account the children those children would have had, and I'm sure we've lost 100 million folks, folks that would be working and paying taxes has they been allowed to live.

But, to say, Roscoites born in America won't do the work is garbage, it's a poor area, and folks in poor areas will work, not everybody of course, and there may not be enough to fill all the job, but to say they won't do the work, that Americans won't do the hard work, is an old lie perpetrated for political gain, much like the old lie that black folks supposedly were lazy or not as smart as white folks, another blatant lie, that in the past was perpetrated for political and economic gain.



After googling Roscoites I've decided that's a typo for whites.
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D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
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White Farmer 1: These Mexicans are stealing all the jobs. What can we do?
White Farmer 2: Mexicans smoke a lot of marijuana, don't they?
White Farmer 1: I don't know.
White Farmer 2: Well, anyway, let's outlaw marijuana and throw them all in jail.
White Farmer 1: Hey, good idea!

[25 years later]

White Farmer 1: Where can we find someone to work these crops?
White Farmer 2: I thought you had a crew of hard-working, all-American boys.
White Farmer 1: I did, but they all tested positive for dope. Had to fire them.
White Farmer 2: Damn. Guess you better hire you some Mexicans.
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bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

Quote:

I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
Here is what I have never understood about the immigrant farm labor issue . . . how many more illegals do American farmers need? There are already 11 to 20 million of them here. You would think that is enough to fill the void of "Americans will not do this work."

Do we need another 5 million? 30 million? Seems like an economist could easily figure that out.
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Sam Lowry said:

White Farmer 1: These Mexicans are stealing all the jobs. What can we do?
White Farmer 2: Mexicans smoke a lot of marijuana, don't they?
White Farmer 1: I don't know.
White Farmer 2: Well, anyway, let's outlaw marijuana and throw them all in jail.
White Farmer 1: Hey, good idea!

[25 years later]

White Farmer 1: Where can we find someone to work these crops?
White Farmer 2: I thought you had a crew of hard-working, all-American boys.
White Farmer 1: I did, but they all tested positive for dope. Had to fire them.
White Farmer 2: Damn. Guess you better hire you some Mexicans.

Funny cuz it's true
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GrowlTowel said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

Quote:

I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
Here is what I have never understood about the immigrant farm labor issue . . . how many more illegals do American farmers need? There are already 11 to 20 million of them here. You would think that is enough to fill the void of "Americans will not do this work."

Do we need another 5 million? 30 million? Seems like an economist could easily figure that out.

The market beats an economist any day. Deregulate immigration and let's go.
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GrowlTowel
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quash said:

GrowlTowel said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
Here is what I have never understood about the immigrant farm labor issue . . . how many more illegals do American farmers need? There are already 11 to 20 million of them here. You would think that is enough to fill the void of "Americans will not do this work."

Do we need another 5 million? 30 million? Seems like an economist could easily figure that out.

The market beats an economist any day. Deregulate immigration and let's go.
Then what is the point of boarders at all? If there are no boarders, how can there be a sovereign state?
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GrowlTowel said:

quash said:

GrowlTowel said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
Here is what I have never understood about the immigrant farm labor issue . . . how many more illegals do American farmers need? There are already 11 to 20 million of them here. You would think that is enough to fill the void of "Americans will not do this work."

Do we need another 5 million? 30 million? Seems like an economist could easily figure that out.

The market beats an economist any day. Deregulate immigration and let's go.
Then what is the point of boarders at all? If there are no boarders, how can there be a sovereign state?
I don't agree with deregulating immigration (my statist side is showing). Just grant enough work permits for unskilled laborers to let the supply meet the demand legally rather than illegally.

This does not have to involve a pathway to citizenship for those who come on work permits. And we don't have to give them permanent residency if they happen to have children here who automatically are American citizens, though we could allow their work permits to be renewed.
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LIB,MR BEARS
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bubbadog said:

GrowlTowel said:

quash said:

GrowlTowel said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

Quote:

I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
Here is what I have never understood about the immigrant farm labor issue . . . how many more illegals do American farmers need? There are already 11 to 20 million of them here. You would think that is enough to fill the void of "Americans will not do this work."

Do we need another 5 million? 30 million? Seems like an economist could easily figure that out.

The market beats an economist any day. Deregulate immigration and let's go.
Then what is the point of boarders at all? If there are no boarders, how can there be a sovereign state?
I don't agree with deregulating immigration (my statist side is showing). Just grant enough work permits for unskilled laborers to let the supply meet the demand legally rather than illegally.

This does not have to involve a pathway to citizenship for those who come on work permits. And we don't have to give them permanent residency if they happen to have children here who automatically are American citizens, though we could allow their work permits to be renewed.
BINGO!

But extreme dems want to give them more and are afraid of their base while extreme rep don't want to give anything and are afraid of their base.

No room for logic or compromise from large portions of both sides.
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quash said:

Forest Bueller said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

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I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
I still know folks in Chilton, folks there still do all types of farm work, not just the illegals. I believe Beto, like most politicians, is making up scenarios to try to bolster a faulty political viewpoint.

That said it might be hard to find enough folks to fill ALL those jobs. We've aborted away over 50 million people over the years, take into account the children those children would have had, and I'm sure we've lost 100 million folks, folks that would be working and paying taxes has they been allowed to live.

But, to say, Roscoites born in America won't do the work is garbage, it's a poor area, and folks in poor areas will work, not everybody of course, and there may not be enough to fill all the job, but to say they won't do the work, that Americans won't do the hard work, is an old lie perpetrated for political gain, much like the old lie that black folks supposedly were lazy or not as smart as white folks, another blatant lie, that in the past was perpetrated for political and economic gain.



After googling Roscoites I've decided that's a typo for whites.
People who are from Roscoe. Which is about 40% hispanic. So is Beto also saying hispanics born here won't do the work too. He is ignorant on the subject, that is for sure, why just not say anything.
quash
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GrowlTowel said:

quash said:

GrowlTowel said:

bubbadog said:

D. C. Bear said:

bubbadog said:

Forest Bueller said:

Doc Holliday said:

BETO is a POS and enough Texans are smart enough to see right through his fake latino ass.


BETO quote

Quote:

I mentioned going to the high school in Roscoe, I also went to the cotton gin in Roscoe. And at that cotton gin, there are 24 jobs and the manager of that gin says it does not matter the wages that I pay or the number of hours that we set no one born in Roscoe or Texas or this country who is willing to work. But there are immigrants who are coming from Central America or Mexico or other parts of the world to Roscoe to work these jobs and to help build our economy. [Emphasis added]

This guy is so full of crap, this is just a flat lie and he knows it. We had a cotton gin outside of Chilton too, I think it was in Cego, he is so full of crap, I worked in the cotton fields 6 consecutive summers, I had friends who worked the Gin, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. We all did the work.

Punk ass just needs to go away, he is fake, his answers are fake and he is full of ***** Yes, metro guys like him never showed up in the fields or gins or barns or hay fields to do the hard work, real guys do that.
I worked in cotton fields, too. But that was 45 years ago or more. A lot has changed since then.

It seems to be generally true that farmers like the ones I worked for have trouble finding US-born workers to fill all those jobs anymore.

Several years ago, when Alabama launched a crackdown against immigrant labor, the farmers practically revolted. Their crops were rotting in the fields for lack of workers. In places like Iowa and Kansas, food processing plants would shut down without immigrant labor. It's a real problem.
This is not how a free market system works. Without immigrant labor, they would not shut down, they would pay higher wages and come up with better working conditions and incentives until they had the workers they needed to do the job. The price of food would go up, but they would not shut down and leave us with nothing to eat.
Yeah, it's a nice theory, but it has run up against some harsh realities in Alabama, Iowa and other parts of rural America where agribusiness is big.

Alabama farmers would tell you that they don't have anywhere close to the ability to pass along higher labor costs as market theory would predict. Instead, they get squeezed.

And the cost of labor is far from the only issue. Talk to employers in manufacturing and food processing across Heartland America, and you hear the same thing over and over and over: they can't find enough people who can pass a drug test. And of those who can pass a drug test, they can't find enough who will show up regularly for work on time. They rely on immigrant labor (legal and otherwise) to fill the gap. Take away immigrant labor, and the disruption to their industries is huge. That's why Republican farmers in Alabama revolted against Republican leadership in the statehouse.
Here is what I have never understood about the immigrant farm labor issue . . . how many more illegals do American farmers need? There are already 11 to 20 million of them here. You would think that is enough to fill the void of "Americans will not do this work."

Do we need another 5 million? 30 million? Seems like an economist could easily figure that out.

The market beats an economist any day. Deregulate immigration and let's go.
Then what is the point of boarders at all? If there are no boarders, how can there be a sovereign state?

Not about AirBnB, but...

I said deregulate, not undefend. The sovereign must protect its citizens. But we can streamline our system to improve the flow of labor. Right now were ****ing up the circular flow.

Republicans used to believe in market solutions...
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Debate moderator pretty clearly has a favorite, that's not a good look. Beto whiffed badly on the 2nd amendment topics.
 
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