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Florda_mike
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riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?




Great news for Cruz
cinque
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"Leave Heidi the hell alone" On second thought, smear her all you want when you come rile up the crazies for me.

Chuckle. That Rafael is some kinda man.
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Florda_mike
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cinque said:

"Leave Heidi the hell alone" On second thought, smear her all you want when you come rile up the crazies for me.

Chuckle. That Rafael is some kinda man.


You drinking?
cinque
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Florda_mike said:

cinque said:

"Leave Heidi the hell alone" On second thought, smear her all you want when you come rile up the crazies for me.

Chuckle. That Rafael is some kinda man.


You drinking?
Why?
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quash
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riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?
Golem
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quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?
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quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


The same place they bury survivors of a plane that crashes on the border of the US and Canada.
quash
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GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?
Golem
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quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.
quash
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GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.
Mitch Blood Green
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BellCountyBear said:

Is not Hispanic. But some are dumb enough to think he is and will vote for him on that thought alone. It's the leftist way!


Let me make sure I understand your logic. We're gonna vote for O'rourke over Cruz because we think O'rourke is Hispanic.

FTR, I know Cruz is Hispanic. (Actually, I know he's Canadian).
Golem
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quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.
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GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.

Americans have been deported to Mexico. And Guatemala. And the DR.
LIB,MR BEARS
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quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.

Americans have been deported to Mexico. And Guatemala. And the DR.
You won... the race on the rabbit trail. Congratulations, I think.
JusHappy2BeHere
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.

Americans have been deported to Mexico. And Guatemala. And the DR.
You won... the race on the rabbit trail. Congratulations, I think.
so we are ok with the deportation of Americans as long as we also get rid of the dirty Mexicans?
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

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quash
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.

Americans have been deported to Mexico. And Guatemala. And the DR.
You won... the race on the rabbit trail. Congratulations, I think.
so we are ok with the deportation of Americans as long as we also get rid of the dirty Mexicans?

Deportation of Americans is vanishingly rare, yet the mere mention brings out the Know Nothings. And most of those poor citizens got a settlement check (not a big one).
Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
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Sounds a bit racist quash.

You want Mexican immigrants so we can push them into labor. Wow.

Immigrants are not your cheap labor slaves.
LIB,MR BEARS
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.

Americans have been deported to Mexico. And Guatemala. And the DR.
You won... the race on the rabbit trail. Congratulations, I think.
so we are ok with the deportation of Americans as long as we also get rid of the dirty Mexicans?
Ya. Sure. That's exactly what I said.

(note to idiots, the above is sarcasm)
LIB,MR BEARS
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"Does he win in November?" The path or thread

Deportation of citizens: rabbit trail
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quash said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

GolemIII said:

quash said:

riflebear said:

Liberals are more for illegal immigrants these days over Americans. Is it any surprise they like Beto then?


Maybe you know the answer to this. When the feds deport American citizens what country do they go to?


Well, since the feds don't deport American Citizens from the US (not actual ones, anyway), I'll say to Fantasyland?

They do.

Try again?


No. They don't deport actual citizens. But keep lying.

"Tossou is only one of at least a half dozen mentally disabled U.S. citizens targeted, detained, or deported by ICE in recent years. In 2008, for example, the agency issued a detainer for Mark Lyttle, who was born and raised in North Carolina and who suffers from a mental disability. ICE detained him for two months before deporting him to Mexico. When he attempted to reenter, he was deported again. He lived homeless for months, eating from garbage and even being deported by Mexico to Guatemala. He later proved his U.S. citizenship and won a $175,000 court settlement."
From Cato.

You lose.


Lol! No. You showed two things:

1. The feds DO NOT deport citizens. Your case involved a guy signing a statement that he was from Mexico. He lied and was deported because of his lie.
2. You were referring to Mexico in your first post. Thanks for answering that.

Americans have been deported to Mexico. And Guatemala. And the DR.
You won... the race on the rabbit trail. Congratulations, I think.
so we are ok with the deportation of Americans as long as we also get rid of the dirty Mexicans?

Deportation of Americans is vanishingly rare, yet the mere mention brings out the Know Nothings. And most of those poor citizens got a settlement check (not a big one).
Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
. Yes, sanity once again speaks
Waco1947 ,la
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quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?
quash
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Doc Holliday said:

Sounds a bit racist quash.

You want Mexican immigrants so we can push them into labor. Wow.

Immigrants are not your cheap labor slaves.

Push them? Have you ever had an economics class?

If we brought back something like the Bracero program we wouldn't be enslaving them.

Poorly played race card.
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Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
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quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
How can you not see how extemely radical this is?

See the problem? The extraordinary imbalance between the populations of the Third World and of the West are, I think, often forgotten by Western idealists who, accustomed to thinking of their own homelands as great and powerful, don't realize how puny they actually are alongside dozens and dozens of the planet's poorer lands, whose inhabitants, in a world of open borders, would overwhelm the richer societies in a trice, creating social havoc and economic disaster.

Hundreds of millions of the people who, given open borders, would flow into the West would be in search of big welfare payouts, not hard work, and would be eager to impose their own cultural values on their new homelands rather than adapt. (Certainly the history of Western Europe during the last few decades has not provided a promising picture in this regard.)

This is what happens unfortunately. You do not accept this despite it happening over and over again throughout history. This is because you think you're being virtuous and that it Trumps any nefarious behavior.

The nefarious behavior doesn't even cross your mind.
quash
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Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
How can you not see how extemely radical this is?

See the problem? The extraordinary imbalance between the populations of the Third World and of the West are, I think, often forgotten by Western idealists who, accustomed to thinking of their own homelands as great and powerful, don't realize how puny they actually are alongside dozens and dozens of the planet's poorer lands, whose inhabitants, in a world of open borders, would overwhelm the richer societies in a trice, creating social havoc and economic disaster.

Hundreds of millions of the people who, given open borders, would flow into the West would be in search of big welfare payouts, not hard work, and would be eager to impose their own cultural values on their new homelands rather than adapt. (Certainly the history of Western Europe during the last few decades has not provided a promising picture in this regard.)

The nefarious behavior doesn't even cross your mind.


Wow. People seeking more freedom is nefarious. You statists never cease to amaze.

Again, markets are the best system for allocating resources humans have come up with so far. Left alone the market would not create a flood from the third world.

But your fear of that flood could have been expressed in just 14 words.
Doc Holliday
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
How can you not see how extemely radical this is?

See the problem? The extraordinary imbalance between the populations of the Third World and of the West are, I think, often forgotten by Western idealists who, accustomed to thinking of their own homelands as great and powerful, don't realize how puny they actually are alongside dozens and dozens of the planet's poorer lands, whose inhabitants, in a world of open borders, would overwhelm the richer societies in a trice, creating social havoc and economic disaster.

Hundreds of millions of the people who, given open borders, would flow into the West would be in search of big welfare payouts, not hard work, and would be eager to impose their own cultural values on their new homelands rather than adapt. (Certainly the history of Western Europe during the last few decades has not provided a promising picture in this regard.)

The nefarious behavior doesn't even cross your mind.


Wow. People seeking more freedom is nefarious. You statists never cease to amaze.

Again, markets are the best system for allocating resources humans have come up with so far. Left alone the market would not create a flood from the third world.

But your fear of that flood could have been expressed in just 14 words.
They're not seeking freedom.

That is horseshiit.

They're seeking to reap the benefits of a more powerful society that requires individuals to be personally responsible...all without contributing.

The statistics prove this. You need to accept it.
quash
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Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
How can you not see how extemely radical this is?

See the problem? The extraordinary imbalance between the populations of the Third World and of the West are, I think, often forgotten by Western idealists who, accustomed to thinking of their own homelands as great and powerful, don't realize how puny they actually are alongside dozens and dozens of the planet's poorer lands, whose inhabitants, in a world of open borders, would overwhelm the richer societies in a trice, creating social havoc and economic disaster.

Hundreds of millions of the people who, given open borders, would flow into the West would be in search of big welfare payouts, not hard work, and would be eager to impose their own cultural values on their new homelands rather than adapt. (Certainly the history of Western Europe during the last few decades has not provided a promising picture in this regard.)

The nefarious behavior doesn't even cross your mind.


Wow. People seeking more freedom is nefarious. You statists never cease to amaze.

Again, markets are the best system for allocating resources humans have come up with so far. Left alone the market would not create a flood from the third world.

But your fear of that flood could have been expressed in just 14 words.
They're not seeking freedom.

That is horseshiit.

They're seeking to reap the benefits of a more powerful society that requires individuals to be personally responsible...all without contributing.

The statistics prove this. You need to accept it.

Without contributing? What do you labor means?

And, by all means, show me your stats that they aren't seeking freedom.
JusHappy2BeHere
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
How can you not see how extemely radical this is?

See the problem? The extraordinary imbalance between the populations of the Third World and of the West are, I think, often forgotten by Western idealists who, accustomed to thinking of their own homelands as great and powerful, don't realize how puny they actually are alongside dozens and dozens of the planet's poorer lands, whose inhabitants, in a world of open borders, would overwhelm the richer societies in a trice, creating social havoc and economic disaster.

Hundreds of millions of the people who, given open borders, would flow into the West would be in search of big welfare payouts, not hard work, and would be eager to impose their own cultural values on their new homelands rather than adapt. (Certainly the history of Western Europe during the last few decades has not provided a promising picture in this regard.)

The nefarious behavior doesn't even cross your mind.


Wow. People seeking more freedom is nefarious. You statists never cease to amaze.

Again, markets are the best system for allocating resources humans have come up with so far. Left alone the market would not create a flood from the third world.

But your fear of that flood could have been expressed in just 14 words.
They're not seeking freedom.

That is horseshiit.

They're seeking to reap the benefits of a more powerful society that requires individuals to be personally responsible...all without contributing.

The statistics prove this. You need to accept it.

Without contributing? What do you labor means?

And, by all means, show me your stats that they aren't seeking freedom.
they are Spanish speaking brown people.... to doc that means they are takers looking to live off of him while changing his white culture
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Mahatma Gandhi
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quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
I can't support unrestricted movement across national borders.
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Those darned socialist highways.
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Those darned socialist highways.

Using highways is the dumbest example. Highways have been built by private entities for decades. If the market demands a way to get its product out, it'll happen without gov't. Plus, our interstate highways were primarily built by Ike for military movements based on the autobahn system he saw in Germany in WW2.
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Not sure what you are saying the vast majority of highways are always built by private companies with a contract with a state or federal govt. to build it. The interstate system is always built or expanded this way.
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YoakDaddy said:

cinque said:

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Those darned socialist highways.

Using highways is the dumbest example. Highways have been built by private entities for decades. If the market demands a way to get its product out, it'll happen without gov't. Plus, our interstate highways were primarily built by Ike for military movements based on the autobahn system he saw in Germany in WW2.
Those darned socialist highways are every bit as evil as the socialist firefighters and police forces.
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Osodecentx said:

quash said:

Osodecentx said:

quash said:


Our ****ed up immigration system also detains citizens on ICE holds, which is against the law. And now we are stripping native born Americans of their citizenship because ICE doesn't trust border midwives.

And then there's the labor shortage in construction, etc.

We need immigration reform. Vote the whole ballot.
Is there a Libertarian position on immigration?

Yes.

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.

As Bastiat says "And yet, what analogy is there between an exchange and an invasion? What possible similarity can there be between a warship that comes to vomit missiles, fire, and devastation on our cities, and a merchant vessel that comes to offer us a voluntary exchange of goods for goods?"
I can't support unrestricted movement across national borders.

I can't support the restrictions.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
 
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