So... at what point do Republicans realize Trump is bad at this?

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Doc Holliday said:

fadskier said:

BBL and other have not yet realized when the Dems say "free everything" that it is indeed, not actually free.
I don't think those guys truly understand how ****ty, slow and badly operated everything in government is.


LMAO. Have you ever been sick? Medicare/Medicaid has 2% overhead and almost zero fraud (outside of Rick Scott). Insurance companies spend 25-35% of every premium dollar on administrative costs, blimps, CEO salaries, etc.

They are maybe the ONE exception to the "government is less efficient" rule.
Nope. I don't want the government controlling my health care. Talk to a vet.
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BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
You didn't specify Buttigieg.

With factual content...I guess you didn't read them. Anyway,

Buttigieg raised his hand for free health care for illegals.

He is in favor of some sort of reparations.

His views on gun control are tolerable.

He has not said alot about immigration.

He is in favor of abortion on demand and even after birth.
Show me where he's said he's for after birth abortions.

He wasn't for free care for illegals. He said they are covered under the health plan -but they pay. They sincerely do.

Reparations is something even Trump has spoken about. So that's pretty far from disqualifying. And if we're being honest, it should be talked about.
It should not be talked about. No one alive today lived back then. It's over.

I have not read where Trump backs this.

Who else should we provide reparations for?
Serious people can talk about it. It's okay to talk about it. The fact is that poverty is cyclical. Even after slavery ended (which was only 150 years ago), Jim Crow laws systematically impoverished slaves and their descendants. And Jim Crow didn't end until 50 years ago.

But there are still grandchildren of slaves. Grandchildren of people who had NOTHING, and were kept from having ANYTHING until this generation. Wealth is handed down from family to family. The idea that something can be done to break that cycle -or that it may be worth while- is not ridiculous.

And yes. Even Trump called the idea "interesting" though he "[didn't] see it happening." https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/450126-exclusive-trump-on-reparations-i-dont-see-it-happening
No, it's ridiculous. Millions of Americans came here with nothing and have bettered themselves. There are many, if in fact, most families do not hand wealth down. We are all a consequence of our choices. No one has an excuse these days.

How do you identify who pays and who receives?

"Interesting" and supporting are not the same thing.
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Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Why do liberals and Dems feel that they are entitled to OTHER people's money?
Salute the Marines - Joe Biden
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fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

Jinx 2 said:

If a woman behaved the way Trump has behaved while he's been in office, she would have been impeached and carted off to a mental institution before the first year was over.
Luckily, Hillary showed us much worse and we voted against her.
Are you still talking about her emails? Yeah. So much worse than betrayal of our allies against ISIS AFTER WE PROMISED THEM WE WOULDN'T LET TURKEY ATTACK.
I already said that I didn't agree with that. But as usual you are unglued by Trump.
So you agree that's worse than some emails?
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fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

fadskier said:

BBL and other have not yet realized when the Dems say "free everything" that it is indeed, not actually free.
I don't think those guys truly understand how ****ty, slow and badly operated everything in government is.


LMAO. Have you ever been sick? Medicare/Medicaid has 2% overhead and almost zero fraud (outside of Rick Scott). Insurance companies spend 25-35% of every premium dollar on administrative costs, blimps, CEO salaries, etc.

They are maybe the ONE exception to the "government is less efficient" rule.
Nope. I don't want the government controlling my health care. Talk to a vet.
Ah yes
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fadskier said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Why do liberals and Dems feel that they are entitled to OTHER people's money?
You don't mind spending my money on tanks and missiles, but actually helping people? Nah.
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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

Jinx 2 said:

If a woman behaved the way Trump has behaved while he's been in office, she would have been impeached and carted off to a mental institution before the first year was over.
Luckily, Hillary showed us much worse and we voted against her.
Are you still talking about her emails? Yeah. So much worse than betrayal of our allies against ISIS AFTER WE PROMISED THEM WE WOULDN'T LET TURKEY ATTACK.
I already said that I didn't agree with that. But as usual you are unglued by Trump.
So you agree that's worse than some emails?
I'm not comparing her deletion of emails to Trump pulling our troops our of Syria. That's you doing that. It's apples to oranges.
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Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Why do liberals and Dems feel that they are entitled to OTHER people's money?
You don't mind spending my money on tanks and missiles, but actually helping people? Nah.
Helping people is called charity. Where is that in the constitution?

Are you saying that the US doesn't have a constitutional right to protect it's citizens?

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BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
No.
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BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
No, not at all.
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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

fadskier said:

BBL and other have not yet realized when the Dems say "free everything" that it is indeed, not actually free.
I don't think those guys truly understand how ****ty, slow and badly operated everything in government is.


LMAO. Have you ever been sick? Medicare/Medicaid has 2% overhead and almost zero fraud (outside of Rick Scott). Insurance companies spend 25-35% of every premium dollar on administrative costs, blimps, CEO salaries, etc.

They are maybe the ONE exception to the "government is less efficient" rule.
Nope. I don't want the government controlling my health care. Talk to a vet.
Ah yes

Are you suggesting a Theocracy? I'm unclear which way you are headed with this.
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fadskier said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Why do liberals and Dems feel that they are entitled to OTHER people's money?


Because our media has been telling people that since the mid 60's.

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BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

fadskier said:

BBL and other have not yet realized when the Dems say "free everything" that it is indeed, not actually free.
I don't think those guys truly understand how ****ty, slow and badly operated everything in government is.


LMAO. Have you ever been sick? Medicare/Medicaid has 2% overhead and almost zero fraud (outside of Rick Scott). Insurance companies spend 25-35% of every premium dollar on administrative costs, blimps, CEO salaries, etc.

They are maybe the ONE exception to the "government is less efficient" rule.
Nope. I don't want the government controlling my health care. Talk to a vet.
Ah yes

You are obviously confusing Religion/Christianity with government and government roles.

Maybe try thinking without emotion.
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BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

fadskier said:

BBL and other have not yet realized when the Dems say "free everything" that it is indeed, not actually free.
I don't think those guys truly understand how ****ty, slow and badly operated everything in government is.


LMAO. Have you ever been sick? Medicare/Medicaid has 2% overhead and almost zero fraud (outside of Rick Scott). Insurance companies spend 25-35% of every premium dollar on administrative costs, blimps, CEO salaries, etc.

They are maybe the ONE exception to the "government is less efficient" rule.
You can't be serious

https://revcycleintelligence.com/news/over-600-individuals-charged-in-2018-healthcare-fraud-takedown

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The OIG only goes after the biggest fish.
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$1.3 Billion in medicare fraud. Who knew a billion was so close to zero?!?

https://www.aginginplace.org/medicare-fraud/
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fadskier said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Why do liberals and Dems feel that they are entitled to OTHER people's money?
Instead of being well informed, they're ideologically opinionated.
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So far, BBL doesn't like Trump's mean tweets. His frustration and dislike (jinx too for that matter, is his tweeting. So I guess, if Trump stopped tweeting, they'd like him.
He has been very clear on his policy differences with the president. To overlook those intentionally is just avoiding a discussion on those differences. Unless you're one of those who keeps score by liberal tears.
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quash said:

fadskier said:

So far, BBL doesn't like Trump's mean tweets. His frustration and dislike (jinx too for that matter, is his tweeting. So I guess, if Trump stopped tweeting, they'd like him.
He has been very clear on his policy differences with the president. To overlook those intentionally is just avoiding a discussion on those differences.
I don't think he has
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BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

Trump is restoring sanity to our foreign policy for the first time in decades. But yeah, let's run him out of office for those TWEETS!
Look at this sanity in foreign policy! So sane, you guys.


What?
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Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
No, not at all.


I can tell you've never been very sick.

If insurance companies don't control your life, then how would the government replacing them control your life?
BrooksBearLives
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So trump denied knowing the two businessmen arrested today on charges.

But the proof says that's a lie....

Waco1947
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BBL "Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation."
Yes when will Doc, or anybody on the right have an intellectually honest conversation. Telling lies is ... well... dishonest. (I am sorry for the redundancy and repeating myself.)
Waco1947 ,la
GrowlTowel
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Three weeks in. Still no vote. Very telling.
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BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
No, not at all.


I can tell you've never been very sick.

If insurance companies don't control your life, then how would the government replacing them control your life?


Pretty simple. People like you would dictate health care decisions. Although you have no medical training you would decide who lives and who dies.

Look no further than the Squad. Not a single one of them has a science degree but they "know" how to fix the climate hoax.
BrooksBearLives
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GrowlTowel said:

Three weeks in. Still no vote. Very telling.


This is what I don't understand here. They keep saying they want a vote (which Democrats don't have to do).

Why?

Its certainly not required. And if you read what the White House has said, they haven't said they would play ball even with a vote.

If they keep pushing, all Dems have to do is vote and republicans have their bluff called.
BrooksBearLives
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GrowlTowel said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
No, not at all.


I can tell you've never been very sick.

If insurance companies don't control your life, then how would the government replacing them control your life?


Pretty simple. People like you would dictate health care decisions. Although you have no medical training you would decide who lives and who dies.

Look no further than the Squad. Not a single one of them has a science degree but they "know" how to fix the climate hoax.


If you think you're healthcare decisions aren't already being dictated to you, you're not paying attention.

Honestly, I absolutely would trust a government whose administration I could vote out over a CEO with a golden parachute.
GrowlTowel
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BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Three weeks in. Still no vote. Very telling.


This is what I don't understand here. They keep saying they want a vote (which Democrats don't have to do).

Why?

Its certainly not required. And if you read what the White House has said, they haven't said they would play ball even with a vote.

If they keep pushing, all Dems have to do is vote and republicans have their bluff called.


It is required because none of the committees in the house have jurisdiction for impeachment without a vote of the entire body. All they have is oversight which is why Trump will "stonewall."

Vote for it like before and let's go. Otherwise, sit down.
BrooksBearLives
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GrowlTowel said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Three weeks in. Still no vote. Very telling.


This is what I don't understand here. They keep saying they want a vote (which Democrats don't have to do).

Why?

Its certainly not required. And if you read what the White House has said, they haven't said they would play ball even with a vote.

If they keep pushing, all Dems have to do is vote and republicans have their bluff called.


It is required because none of the committees in the house have jurisdiction for impeachment without a vote of the entire body. All they have is oversight which is why Trump will "stonewall."

Vote for it like before and let's go. Otherwise, sit down.


Um. Sorry. But that's not how it works. It literally isn't how it works. That's made-up.

They don't need a vote to do any of this. They can, they will. But they're investigating right now. They don't have to vote yet.
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BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Doc Holliday said:

BrooksBearLives said:

fadskier said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BUmoneymaker said:

Trump supporters - it really is okay to change your mind you dont have to dig in your heels to save face. Its okay to support something better. You are alowed to speak up about his faults. Use your words. Practice makes progress.

Trump is a bully pos. For every buck he has in the bank he lacks a thousand brain cells. Also stfu with twitter you petulant pre-teen acting old bafoon. How embarrassing.



I do speak of Trump's faults. They are many and manifest.

Still looking for something better. Pathetic group of Democrats haven't stepped up.


What do you think of Buttigieg?
Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscator, favors reparations, open borders, pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action,
Yikes. So you don't care about nuance. Got it.
I don't favor Medicare for all, free healthcare for illegal aliens, gun confiscation, reparations, open borders, abortion, affirmative action.

Nuanced enough?
Yeah, your charictarization of "open borders" "free healthcare for illegal aliens" "gun confiscation" etc. lets me know you're not a serious person. Let me know when you want to have an adult conversation.

I'm serious about that. Let me know when you want to have an intellectually honest conversation.


1. Open borders: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/do-democrats-want-to-be-the-open-borders-party

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/07/17/democrats-believe-open-borders-which-immigration-laws-enforce/1745744001/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-the-democrats-are-for-open-borders/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigration-democrats-open-borders/

2. Free healthcare for all illegal aliens

https://wrko.iheart.com/featured/the-kuhner-report/content/2019-06-28-all-democrats-raise-their-hands-for-free-healthcare-for-illegals/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-all-10-democrats-raise-their-hand

https://www.westernjournal.com/1-issue-every-dem-debate-agreed-give-free-health-care-illegals/

3. Gun confiscation

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/10/23/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-want-to-take-your-guns

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/yes-they-are-coming-for-your-guns/

https://www.westernjournal.com/dems-who-dont-want-to-confiscate-your-guns-push-bill-to-confiscate-your-guns/

Democrats also support abortion up to birth and even afterwards.


Those are LITERALLY all opinion pieces and editorials. Almost none of them refer to Buttigieg.

You are not being intellectually honest. Take a breath.
This isn't an opinion piece:

Where's the "free" part?

Tell me exactly where they said "free."
Every candidate's plan covers people who can't afford healthcare including those without income. So yeah it would go to illegals that can't pay.

Are you for it or against it?
I am 100% for providing healthcare for everyone as a human right. Absolutely. Having a healthy society/country is a baseline. People should not be falling dead in the streets. Providing healthcare through a plan would DRASTICALLY cut costs as people would 1. not clog emergency rooms, and 2. come in BEFORE they get desperate.

It will absolutely save money in the long run.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/health/undocumented-immigrants-health-care.html
Not sure what income you make, but if it's anywhere close to mine, you'll be paying $4k-6k more in taxes per year for Universal Healthcare.

Sucks for me because I only spend about $100 out of my own pocket on healthcare per year.

Then of course our tax cuts will be reversed and higher than they were under Obama.

But none of it will matter because every Candidate running is in support of banning fracking and that will destroy my career.

Any way you slice it, when Democrats get power...I am in deep financial trouble. Especially when you start adding in free college and massive expansions to welfare. Wouldn't surprise me to see median income earners paying more than half their salary in taxes at some point.
I'd pay more in taxes, but I wouldn't have to pay the $10K plus in insurance premiums.

I'd be okay with that.
Would you pay so much in taxes that you can't afford your home any longer?

What is your threshold?

Do you draw any lines with how large government can get and in what ways they can control our lives?
Do insurance companies control your life?
No, not at all.


I can tell you've never been very sick.

If insurance companies don't control your life, then how would the government replacing them control your life?


Pretty simple. People like you would dictate health care decisions. Although you have no medical training you would decide who lives and who dies.

Look no further than the Squad. Not a single one of them has a science degree but they "know" how to fix the climate hoax.


If you think you're healthcare decisions aren't already being dictated to you, you're not paying attention.

Honestly, I absolutely would trust a government whose administration I could vote out over a CEO with a golden parachute.
Pretty much sums it up. You put your trust in politicians/government and want them to take care of you. You would probably be comfortable in a dictatorship or a socialist society. I'm grateful our founders weren't like you, but I'm concerned today's society has become lazy enough to fall into this mindset.

And by the way nobody's dictating my healthcare decisions but me. Because I pay for them. I choose my insurance provider and plan in a free market, and whatever they don't cover I pay for from the money I've earned. Not sure what you mean about not paying attention.
Sam Lowry
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BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Three weeks in. Still no vote. Very telling.


This is what I don't understand here. They keep saying they want a vote (which Democrats don't have to do).

Why?

Its certainly not required. And if you read what the White House has said, they haven't said they would play ball even with a vote.

If they keep pushing, all Dems have to do is vote and republicans have their bluff called.
Voting would follow precedent.

It would hold representatives accountable to their constituents.

It would open the door to the same due process that was available in other impeachment cases.

It would show an effort on the part of Democrats to conduct a serious, non-partisan investigation.
cinque
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It's serious, methodical and nonpartisan to the degree that is even possible when dealing with a cult.
Nothing in the Constitution or the House rules requires a vote at this point in the process, and to think that any con would make a case for the need to respect precedent when deal with this bunch is laughable.
cinque
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GrowlTowel said:

BrooksBearLives said:

GrowlTowel said:

Three weeks in. Still no vote. Very telling.


This is what I don't understand here. They keep saying they want a vote (which Democrats don't have to do).

Why?

Its certainly not required. And if you read what the White House has said, they haven't said they would play ball even with a vote.

If they keep pushing, all Dems have to do is vote and republicans have their bluff called.


It is required because none of the committees in the house have jurisdiction for impeachment without a vote of the entire body. All they have is oversight which is why Trump will "stonewall."

Vote for it like before and let's go. Otherwise, sit down.
Chuckle. no it's not. You know better.
 
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