So... at what point do Republicans realize Trump is bad at this?

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Libtards saying "shame on you" and "quit" in last 2 posts

So dam gay
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Florda_mike said:

Libtards saying "shame on you" and "quit" in last 2 posts

So dam gay
Are you adding gays to the your List of Americans to Kill?
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GrowlTowel said:

Trump ran on ending the endless wars. No surprise that he is trying to bring our boys home.
Are there more or less troops deployed since Trump became president?
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quash said:

The rule is "you break it, you buy it." For most people it is an admonition against handling stuff you should just be looking at. For most countries it is an admonition against foreign intervention.

For the US it has been a tenet for greater involvement. We go handle stuff we shouldn't, break a country or region and then buy in to long term "security" or "nation building". Kids will serve in Afghanistan who weren't born when we started this thing.

We shouldn't have been shipping shoulder fired rockets from Libya to Syria; we shouldn't have sent troops to Syria, we shouldn't have pulled them on the spur of the moment. But Trump could never had made this blunder if Obama and Sec. Clinton hadn't gotten us into this by breaking what they shouldn't have been handling.

The lesson should be stay out of fights that aren't ours. But with bases all over the planet and troops in every single time zone, it is easy to make a fight over US interests when it is not actually in our direct national interest to do so.

GTFO. And then stay out.


This is how republican establishment has profited for decades

Trump is going after his side then will address democrat sugar daddy's later

That's why all establishment creatures in DC are squeaking constantly and you promote democrat establishment status quo in most every post except the above

Wake up egghead
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quash said:

GrowlTowel said:

Trump ran on ending the endless wars. No surprise that he is trying to bring our boys home.
Are there more or less troops deployed since Trump became president?


I'd bet less, if truth was told

He's against DC war machine

Jig is up on that
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Florda_mike said:

quash said:

The rule is "you break it, you buy it." For most people it is an admonition against handling stuff you should just be looking at. For most countries it is an admonition against foreign intervention.

For the US it has been a tenet for greater involvement. We go handle stuff we shouldn't, break a country or region and then buy in to long term "security" or "nation building". Kids will serve in Afghanistan who weren't born when we started this thing.

We shouldn't have been shipping shoulder fired rockets from Libya to Syria; we shouldn't have sent troops to Syria, we shouldn't have pulled them on the spur of the moment. But Trump could never had made this blunder if Obama and Sec. Clinton hadn't gotten us into this by breaking what they shouldn't have been handling.

The lesson should be stay out of fights that aren't ours. But with bases all over the planet and troops in every single time zone, it is easy to make a fight over US interests when it is not actually in our direct national interest to do so.

GTFO. And then stay out.


This is how republican establishment has profited for decades

Trump is going after his side then will address democrat sugar daddy's later

That's why all establishment creatures in DC are squeaking constantly and you promote democrat establishment status quo in most every post except the above

Wake up egghead
You are going to have to learn to differentiate criticism from support. Otherwise we have nothing to talk about.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.
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Sam Lowry said:

Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.
Self determination: Wilson's Fourteen Points, the Atlantic Charter, UN Charter, etc.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

Florda_mike said:

quash said:

The rule is "you break it, you buy it." For most people it is an admonition against handling stuff you should just be looking at. For most countries it is an admonition against foreign intervention.

For the US it has been a tenet for greater involvement. We go handle stuff we shouldn't, break a country or region and then buy in to long term "security" or "nation building". Kids will serve in Afghanistan who weren't born when we started this thing.

We shouldn't have been shipping shoulder fired rockets from Libya to Syria; we shouldn't have sent troops to Syria, we shouldn't have pulled them on the spur of the moment. But Trump could never had made this blunder if Obama and Sec. Clinton hadn't gotten us into this by breaking what they shouldn't have been handling.

The lesson should be stay out of fights that aren't ours. But with bases all over the planet and troops in every single time zone, it is easy to make a fight over US interests when it is not actually in our direct national interest to do so.

GTFO. And then stay out.


This is how republican establishment has profited for decades

Trump is going after his side then will address democrat sugar daddy's later

That's why all establishment creatures in DC are squeaking constantly and you promote democrat establishment status quo in most every post except the above

Wake up egghead
You are going to have to learn to differentiate criticism from support. Otherwise we have nothing to talk about.


I know we violently agree on this

It's a miracle

However you need to look where left establishment does same as republicans do with military

That's why I say wake up
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Florda_mike said:

quash said:

Florda_mike said:

quash said:

The rule is "you break it, you buy it." For most people it is an admonition against handling stuff you should just be looking at. For most countries it is an admonition against foreign intervention.

For the US it has been a tenet for greater involvement. We go handle stuff we shouldn't, break a country or region and then buy in to long term "security" or "nation building". Kids will serve in Afghanistan who weren't born when we started this thing.

We shouldn't have been shipping shoulder fired rockets from Libya to Syria; we shouldn't have sent troops to Syria, we shouldn't have pulled them on the spur of the moment. But Trump could never had made this blunder if Obama and Sec. Clinton hadn't gotten us into this by breaking what they shouldn't have been handling.

The lesson should be stay out of fights that aren't ours. But with bases all over the planet and troops in every single time zone, it is easy to make a fight over US interests when it is not actually in our direct national interest to do so.

GTFO. And then stay out.


This is how republican establishment has profited for decades

Trump is going after his side then will address democrat sugar daddy's later

That's why all establishment creatures in DC are squeaking constantly and you promote democrat establishment status quo in most every post except the above

Wake up egghead
You are going to have to learn to differentiate criticism from support. Otherwise we have nothing to talk about.


I know we violently agree on this

It's a miracle

However you need to look where left establishment does same as republicans do with military

That's why I say wake up

I'm well aware of that. If you ever read my posts you'd see that.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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This thread has 1,000 posts, but only 18,000 views. That's pretty sad.
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Sam Lowry said:

Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.


Go. ****. Yourself.

Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting.

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BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.


Go. ****. Yourself.

Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting.




Funny BIGLY

BBL says "go eff yourself" and accuses others of "tribalism?"

Gimme a break
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Just a reminder that this administration is incompetent ACROSS THE BOARD.

If they really cared about Homeland Security....

Florda_mike
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BrooksBearLives said:

Just a reminder that this administration is incompetent ACROSS THE BOARD.

If they really cared about Homeland Security....




That's how YOUR PRESIDENT wants Homeland "In"Security to work!

Keeps it from being run by establishment dummie!
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Incredibly incompetent. Either you will admit it or you won't.

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BrooksBearLives said:

Incredibly incompetent. Either you will admit it or you won't.




Dude you're nothing if not a total ****ing incompetent *****!!!

Plain and simple too
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BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?

That's the hollow threat the Administration has chosen to go with. Trump threatened to "destroy Turkey's economy" with sanctions if they violated some vague and undefined terms of his "agreement" with Erdogan, and Mnuchin was on the Sunday shows this morning echoing that threat (but when asked what they are waiting for he got mealy mouthed and dodged the question). To be clear this is probably just meaningless bluster from Trump, because he saw how negative the response to this move was, and he wants to mitigate the impact of that with the people who are gullible enough to believe anything he says.

If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
Are you recommending that we set up an independent Kurdistan and arm them with nukes?


Nobody wants a proliferation of nukes. Please stop.

I would say we need to re-enter with military forces. Assuming there was some sort of agreement between Trump and Erdogan, we should enforce it through sanctions AND placement of soldiers.

Turkey doesn't want to kill our people. Should they do so, they would invite the condemnation and actions of what allies we have left.

But the BARE MINIMUM we should do is stop blocking the UN resolution condemning Turkey which only we and Russia are doing.
That was Huck's idea. You tell him to stop

your idea (at least you put forth one)
1. military intervention
2. Increase sanctions against Turkey
3. don't block UN resolution

Is this your plan?


1. Quit saying it's "military intervention" as if we weren't just in it.

There has to be at least a threat of it. Our president is a diplomatic ****up. First he gutted the state department, then he installed his cronies in there with no experience to push out the good diplomats that WERE there.

So a diplomatic solution won't be as effective as it should be.

But this idea that "oh well, nothing can be fixed" because me, a guy who isn't steeped in this can't fix it, is ****ING RIDICULOUS.
What words would you prefer? We were just there and now we are not.

I was hoping we could discuss ideas. Trump screwed it up. What do you want him to do going forward?
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BrooksBearLives said:

Just a reminder that this administration is incompetent ACROSS THE BOARD.

If they really cared about Homeland Security....


He can exert more control over the temps. It's what's best for him.
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Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?

That's the hollow threat the Administration has chosen to go with. Trump threatened to "destroy Turkey's economy" with sanctions if they violated some vague and undefined terms of his "agreement" with Erdogan, and Mnuchin was on the Sunday shows this morning echoing that threat (but when asked what they are waiting for he got mealy mouthed and dodged the question). To be clear this is probably just meaningless bluster from Trump, because he saw how negative the response to this move was, and he wants to mitigate the impact of that with the people who are gullible enough to believe anything he says.

If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
Are you recommending that we set up an independent Kurdistan and arm them with nukes?


Nobody wants a proliferation of nukes. Please stop.

I would say we need to re-enter with military forces. Assuming there was some sort of agreement between Trump and Erdogan, we should enforce it through sanctions AND placement of soldiers.

Turkey doesn't want to kill our people. Should they do so, they would invite the condemnation and actions of what allies we have left.

But the BARE MINIMUM we should do is stop blocking the UN resolution condemning Turkey which only we and Russia are doing.
That was Huck's idea. You tell him to stop

your idea (at least you put forth one)
1. military intervention
2. Increase sanctions against Turkey
3. don't block UN resolution

Is this your plan?


1. Quit saying it's "military intervention" as if we weren't just in it.

There has to be at least a threat of it. Our president is a diplomatic ****up. First he gutted the state department, then he installed his cronies in there with no experience to push out the good diplomats that WERE there.

So a diplomatic solution won't be as effective as it should be.

But this idea that "oh well, nothing can be fixed" because me, a guy who isn't steeped in this can't fix it, is ****ING RIDICULOUS.
What words would you prefer? We were just there and now we are not.

I was hoping we could discuss ideas. Trump screwed it up. What do you want him to do going forward?

I would immediately be on Turkey. I would mash every button possible. I'd go full speed ahead on economic sanctions. I would lean on NATO and the UN. If they're exterminating Kurds -and they are- then perhaps they shouldn't be in NATO. I would lean on every country in the UN.

We HAVE to bring in military options because of the nukes we have in Turkey. Can't get around that.
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BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?

That's the hollow threat the Administration has chosen to go with. Trump threatened to "destroy Turkey's economy" with sanctions if they violated some vague and undefined terms of his "agreement" with Erdogan, and Mnuchin was on the Sunday shows this morning echoing that threat (but when asked what they are waiting for he got mealy mouthed and dodged the question). To be clear this is probably just meaningless bluster from Trump, because he saw how negative the response to this move was, and he wants to mitigate the impact of that with the people who are gullible enough to believe anything he says.

If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
Are you recommending that we set up an independent Kurdistan and arm them with nukes?


Nobody wants a proliferation of nukes. Please stop.

I would say we need to re-enter with military forces. Assuming there was some sort of agreement between Trump and Erdogan, we should enforce it through sanctions AND placement of soldiers.

Turkey doesn't want to kill our people. Should they do so, they would invite the condemnation and actions of what allies we have left.

But the BARE MINIMUM we should do is stop blocking the UN resolution condemning Turkey which only we and Russia are doing.
That was Huck's idea. You tell him to stop

your idea (at least you put forth one)
1. military intervention
2. Increase sanctions against Turkey
3. don't block UN resolution

Is this your plan?


1. Quit saying it's "military intervention" as if we weren't just in it.

There has to be at least a threat of it. Our president is a diplomatic ****up. First he gutted the state department, then he installed his cronies in there with no experience to push out the good diplomats that WERE there.

So a diplomatic solution won't be as effective as it should be.

But this idea that "oh well, nothing can be fixed" because me, a guy who isn't steeped in this can't fix it, is ****ING RIDICULOUS.
What words would you prefer? We were just there and now we are not.

I was hoping we could discuss ideas. Trump screwed it up. What do you want him to do going forward?

I would immediately be on Turkey. I would mash every button possible. I'd go full speed ahead on economic sanctions. I would lean on NATO and the UN. If they're exterminating Kurds -and they are- then perhaps they shouldn't be in NATO. I would lean on every country in the UN.

We HAVE to bring in military options because of the nukes we have in Turkey. Can't get around that.
Your plan is as follows:
1. military intervention options
2. Increase sanctions against Turkey
3. don't block UN resolution

Am I correct? So I can respond
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Osodecentx said:




I was hoping we could discuss ideas. Trump screwed it up. What do you want him to do going forward?
Uh, nothing?

Because nothing he will do is good or sensible, and he has absolutely no one competent advising him, because the comtetent advisers have either resigned or been fired.

At least Caligula could play the fiddle while he destroyed Rome. Trump can only play golf.
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The Germans have a great word for this kind of situation: schadenfreude.
Waco1947
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BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
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Waco1947 said:

BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
We are keeping our word to our allies - the Turks. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

There's nothing Trump could do or not do that some of you wouldn't find fault with.
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Waco1947 said:

BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
HOLY ***** DO YOU NOT SEE THE LITTLE QUOTATION MARKS AT THE BOTTOM OF A POST?

And if you want to put something in a quote box within your post, there is a little thought bubble icon at the top of your reply box (under the emojis and right next to the font icons). Please, for the love of everything holy, figure this out

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bearassnekkid said:

Waco1947 said:

BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
HOLY ***** DO YOU NOT SEE THE LITTLE QUOTATION MARKS AT THE BOTTOM OF A POST?

And if you want to put something in a quote box within your post, there is a little thought bubble icon at the top of your reply box (under the emojis and right next to the font icons). Please, for the love of everything holy, figure this out


Huh? Remember according the FM I'm the village idiot. So huh? Figure out what "You're disgusting?"
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Jinx 2 said:

Osodecentx said:




I was hoping we could discuss ideas. Trump screwed it up. What do you want him to do going forward?
Uh, nothing?

Because nothing he will do is good or sensible, and he has absolutely no one competent advising him, because the comtetent advisers have either resigned or been fired.

At least Caligula could play the fiddle while he destroyed Rome. Trump can only play golf.
Good grief! Community theater tryouts must be coming soon
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Osodecentx said:

Jinx 2 said:

Osodecentx said:




I was hoping we could discuss ideas. Trump screwed it up. What do you want him to do going forward?
Uh, nothing?

Because nothing he will do is good or sensible, and he has absolutely no one competent advising him, because the comtetent advisers have either resigned or been fired.

At least Caligula could play the fiddle while he destroyed Rome. Trump can only play golf.
Good grief! Community theater tryouts must be coming soon


Death of a housewife?
Sam Lowry
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BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.


Go. ****. Yourself.

Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting.
This is disappointing. I thought we were having a civil discussion.
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Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.


Go. ****. Yourself.

Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting.
This is disappointing. I thought we were having a civil discussion.


Civil with BBL? Please. Guy is unhinged with TDS.
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Sam Lowry said:

Waco1947 said:

BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
We are keeping our word to our allies - the Turks. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

There's nothing Trump could do or not do that some of you wouldn't find fault with.


That is false. We never promised the Turks they could slaughter the Kurds because Erdogan wanted a political win to shore up his shrinking base.

Trump approved this because he got rolled by Erdogan. Stop trying to zamboni this. He said yes. Did not talk to his advisors first. Took even his military by surprise.

This wasn't principled. Stop trying to make this make sense. It was a MONUMENTAL **** up. There is no excuse for this. He just ducked up.

We did NOT need to make this promise.
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bearassnekkid said:

Waco1947 said:

BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
HOLY ***** DO YOU NOT SEE THE LITTLE QUOTATION MARKS AT THE BOTTOM OF A POST?

And if you want to put something in a quote box within your post, there is a little thought bubble icon at the top of your reply box (under the emojis and right next to the font icons). Please, for the love of everything holy, figure this out




You get mad about the wrong things.
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Sam Lowry said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Sam Lowry said:

Jinx 2 said:

Sam Lowry said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

HuMcK said:

Osodecentx said:

BrooksBearLives said:

Axios is reporting 950 ISIS fighters escape yesterday thanks for Turkish bombing of a Kurd city in Syria.

Where is YOUR line?

https://www.axios.com/isis-detainees-northern-syria-turkey-kurdish-ec58db13-93c0-4c9c-8158-6d4b8dbb6e9c.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic
Sounds like a lot of bad stuff is happening.

What action do you recommend?

This isn't that complicated, all we had to do was stay put and not fck the Kurds. Notheast syria was in relative peace because the Kurds did the heavy lifting of defeating ISIS, that peace is now broken because we deliberately got out of the way and let it happen.
What action do you recommend?

I already told you what we should have done in the comment you quoted. The orange messiah is the one who screwed that up by rolling over so easily for Erdogan, and now things are happening that can't be undone. We could (we won't) sanction the sht out of Turkey like the administration has been threatening to do, but I get the sense that's just rhetorical cover without any intention of follow-through, because they know screwing the Kurds was a bad look to the voting public. But hey, Putin and Erdogan are pretty happy about this, and that's probably good enough for Trump.
Not seeing any non-rhetorical action for this next week. Sanctions against Turkey?
If we really wanted to play hardball, we would move to set up an independent Kurdistan, and then transfer our nukes to that new nation from Turkey.
The Kurds are basically Antifa with guns...
This is just pathetic. Shame on you. Because I know you are capable of so much more than this, it is sad to see you lower yourself to the level of posters who write things like this because they just don't know any better. Apparently, some conservatives have their own version of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm capable of reading about Kurdish militia groups and their ideology. Maybe you should do the same.


Go. ****. Yourself.

Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting.
This is disappointing. I thought we were having a civil discussion.


The civil discussion ended when you endorsed genocide.
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Sam Lowry said:

Waco1947 said:

BBL "Your ability to justify your own tribalism is feckless and disgusting.

You aren't pro-life. There is NO scenario where we benefit from not keeping our word to our allies. Not ONE. Our allies trust us less. Our enemies profit off our lack of fortitude.

You are disgusting. "
Sam you are sad. FM beyond hope.
We are keeping our word to our allies - the Turks. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

There's nothing Trump could do or not do that some of you wouldn't find fault with.


Neville Chamberlain kept his word to Hitler.

What's the big deal?
 
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