BrooksBearLives said:
ATL Bear said:
BrooksBearLives said:
This isn't an episode of leave it to beaver where Wally learns a lesson about doing his chores.
Our President just sold out our allies and now he's talking about how Turkey needs to "clean things up." People our nation made promises to are dying.
Antics.
Get out of here.
Turkey is an ally, just FYI. Not sure how you sell out an ally to an ally. You know who's hosting over 3 million refugees from Syria? An ally. You know who likes to attack our ally? Our ally. It's a wicked web.
BTW, you know who's setting up shop in Raqqa now, which was the stronghold of ISIS until Syrian Army and Kurds with US assistance drove them out? The Syrian Army. You know who likes to fight ISIS as much as us? The Syrian Army. The thing that's sticking in most people's craw at State and the Pentagon is that this was a retreat from regime change with Assad. A welcome retreat in my book. Let the crazies do the dirty work. We can monitor from Iraq and Turkey if something is needed with ISIS.
You don't know how you sell out an ally to another ally?
Really? Ever get stuck between two family members? It is absolutely possible to **** over one ally for another.
And that's what we did. You're being a little dualistic.
This take is just trash and COMPLETELY discounts the fact we can no longer trade on our word in the region. Turkey knows they can roll us because Trump is a pushover. Go spend some money at one of his ****ty resorts and flatter him in public and he'll do whatever he wants because he's constantly searching for the love his father would never give him.
Oh. And there's also the genocide being explained away by the supposedly pro-life people.
But even past all that, you keep acting like this isn't destabilizing -it is. And that makes us MORE dangerous. Moving 150ish soldiers completely destabilized the area. 150 soldiers is a GREAT investment.
Ridiculously short-sighted.
Trash? Not only are you an emotional child in these threads and responses, your positions are formed not by independent thought, but your disdain for Trump, and a steady diet of US media bilge. I mean what the hell does Trump's hotel and whatever Father issues you're assigning to him have to do with US Near East policy? I mean, at least stay on task.
Genocide? As someone who's seen first hand genocide aftermath in East/Central Africa, that's not what's happening here. Oh the Kurds have had a beef with Turkey for decades, and they may be trying to tie that into it, but nothing is happening even close to a genocide type action due to US troop withdrawal, or other recent decisions or actions. It's a nasty war, so casualties are happening, but our good ol' Kurdish allies have been using the arms we gave them to attack and mortar Turkish border towns, so no one's hands are clean. In fact, the cease-fire seems to be holding mostly, and I know this will be disturbingly shocking, but Turkey and Russia are talking about how to normalize Northern Syria with a safe zone, resettle some of the millions of refugees they're having to deal with, and convince Syria that Turkey doesn't want that land for themselves (something Assad thinks they're doing, and the Kurds actually DO want).
And it isn't just about how many troops we have there, but how much weaponry and direction we're giving to a military force that is a) Viewed as and shown that it is an enemy to Turkey b) Is not only fighting ISIS, but also the Syrian Army, thus agitating and acting as a Civil War rebel army, thus putting the US as a player in the War against Assad. c) Is simply a militia with no sovereign interest, but is fighting to garner land claims from an independent sovereign nation.
And you want to play the "we can't be trusted in the region anymore" card? If we could be trusted in the region, we wouldn't be in so many damn skirmishes there in the first place. That American tradition was unfortunately carried on by Trump, but has a long history across numerous administrations. I remember when we flipped allegiance on a guy named Saddam Hussein, which is likely the catalyst to why we're even arguing over this topic nearly 3 decades later.
Let the crazies work it out instead of always putting our lives, money, and weaponry on the line that inevitably complicates it for everyone involved. As quash mentioned, unless we see some ISIS camps training export terrorists, we have no reason to have any involvement.