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This issue is really, really simple. Ms. Cheney simply stood up for the truth which is Trump incited the insurrection and needed to be impeached in her opinion. She also has stood up for the TRUTH relative to the election was NOT stolen. Trump lost, but he continues to perpetuate THE LIE. The Republican Paryt of which I used to belong (now Independent) is nothing more than the party of Trump. If you are a Republican and refuse to perpetuate THE LIE, Trump will try to "primary you". Unfortunately, the majority of the Republican/Trump Party are gutless, cowardly people that are scared of Trump and are too concerned about being Trump turning on them and they won't get reelected so the cower in the corner and will not tell the truth and do what is right, save a couple...Romney, Kiinsinger ect. I give Ms Cheney credit for doing what is right and taking on that ****ing Bully. Just watch the pathetic flip flops from spineless Lindsey Graham and Kevin McCarthy. Just pathetic. I cannot believe that these grown ass adults let Trumps control them. Just sad. Again, Trump lost.....presidency, senate, and congress. What more do ya'll Trumpers not understand.

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Everything you say is a lie.

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Really? Please refute with facts, son.

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You're not worth the effort and it wouldn't change your worthless opinions. Why bother?

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because you are a blowhard who doesn't deal in facts. You said my post was all lies. I ask you to refute, and we get deflection from you and your ilk. Here are some facts that I will give you the opportunity to refute, once again.....You can blame Biden and his polices that will one enacted direction on Trump. Trump lost the Presidency, Senate and House. He could have saved the house, hence blocked Dem policies if he didn't **** up Georgia. He's and idiot. Instead of righting the ship, he has blown up the GOP (my former party).

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Look in the mirror for the blowhard-in-chief. "You can blame Biden and his polices that will one enacted direction on Trump." What does that even mean? The worthless Bush/Cheney/Romney/McCain 1%-type Republicans gave us Trump. Had they done a halfway decent job, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

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Did you really just claim that Romney had anything to do with giving us Trump?

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It's a decent argument. Romney in 2012 was a total milque-toast, the kind of loser who couldn't win the White House if he ran against Carter.

Republicans realized they needed a candidate with some fire and noise.

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yes, and most of the GOP I know would like a " do over"

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You must mean the NeverTrump crowd who gave us the current idiot-in-chief.

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Trump is the showboat that cost R's the WH, Senate, H of R, and majority of governorships - he's all fire and noise.

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Did you vote for him?

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I wanted to but could not. (And before you get excited, I didn't vote for Biden).

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I didn't want to, but did. You are part of the problem in conceding to the left. This isn't complicated.

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Voting on principle and conscience over party is only a problem for those who are unprincipled and without conscience.

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Empty words. I didn't vote for a party. I voted based on what I believed is best for the America I once loved, and against those who would destroy her. I voted on what I thought best for my children and grandchildren. The regressives are the enemy.

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And you think Trump was good for "Merica"?

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I think stemming the flow of illegals, improving the judiciary, pushing back on China, and generally putting American interests first were all good for America. Sharp contrast to the existential threat posed by the regressives. What's your take?

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My take is that Trump will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our history. He gets credit for judges, however. Also gets credit for 1)Losing the Presidency 2)Losing the Senate 3)Losing Congress....all 3 of which have given us the lefty loons in charge. Thank, Trump, you loser!

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What is wrong with you? Of course he lost those three, but the point is it was largely because of RINOs who actively or passively collaborated with the regressives combined with the lunacy of our response to COVID.

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Bro, are you nuts? Had nothing to do with RINO's . It had 100% to do with his boorish behavior and pathological lying . He is a terrible human and people just got tired of his BS. That BS he and Rudy pulled in Georgia was the final straw. Hope you enjoy Biden and the left. You can blame big orange. How does 1 President lose all 3? He's a loser and was fired to use his parlance.

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Would that be the loser who garnered more actual votes than any candidate in history other than the current pudding brained idiot now in the White House (perhaps illegitimately)? Bro, are you nuts? Without the complicity of the RINOs, there's no way asshat Biden wins.

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Yes that would be the loser who lost to the likes of Biden and who lost the popular vote to HRC. Look no further. He is the only reason Biden is in office. He was so stupid, he beat himself.

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Sam: "Besides which I couldn't care less about Biden."

Aside from your posts making clear he's your boy ...

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<chuckle> Get back to me when you treat Trump supporters with the same respect you treat people like Liz Cheney or Chris Cuomo

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Have I mistreated you?

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Deflection a la Biden, I see.

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Sorry. So about that quote?

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So, about my point?

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Evasion from Sam as now usual for him. I truly miss Rational Sam, wonder what happened?

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Quote from me supporting Biden. Take your time.

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If there are two choices (which, realistically, is all there are) and you condemn one choice, in metered verse using backup singers (which you have), you are supporting the remaining choice. One cannot come to a crossroads, claim 'there be monsters' to the right and not accept the defacto support for going left.

You and every other never Trumper supported and continue to support socialist policies and politicians. Just own it.

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Thank you. It's BS, but at least it's honest BS. Hopefully the cowards will take a lesson.

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RINOs have indeed always been cowards...far more afraid of upsetting the left than of upsetting conservative voters. The only policies you lot fight tooth and nail against are conservative policies, whilst capitulating to virtually ever left wing power grab for decades.

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Well, congratulations. You've just replaced a conservative leader with one who resisted Trump's legislative efforts but supported his temper tantrum.

Policy before personality, indeed.

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Cheney isn't a conservative. No one who advocated impeachment is a conservative. Conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution.

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Cheney has a far more conservative voting record than Stefanik (ACU rates Cheney 78% far above Stefanik 44%). By some metrics, Rep. Ilhan Omar has a more conservative voting record than Stefanik. Omar has a higher Club for Growth lifetime rating than Stefanik (at 35%). Cheney is certainly more conservative than Trump. By your own comment above you indict Trump, because, as you say, "conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution." Trump has no regard for the Constitution (it's doubtful he has ever read it). Many Republicans recognized that the choice before them was whether they should support the greater evil and threat personified in Trump, which is Trump's self over country, authoritarian assault on our democracy, the rule of law, and the Constitution. Enough said no to Trump, and yes to democracy.

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Sam: "Besides which I couldn't care less about Biden."

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<chuckle> Get back to me when you treat Trump supporters with the same respect you treat people like Liz Cheney or Chris Cuomo

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Have I mistreated you?

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Sorry. So about that quote?

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So, about my point?

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Evasion from Sam as now usual for him. I truly miss Rational Sam, wonder what happened?

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Quote from me supporting Biden. Take your time.

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If there are two choices (which, realistically, is all there are) and you condemn one choice, in metered verse using backup singers (which you have), you are supporting the remaining choice. One cannot come to a crossroads, claim 'there be monsters' to the right and not accept the defacto support for going left.

You and every other never Trumper supported and continue to support socialist policies and politicians. Just own it.

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Thank you. It's BS, but at least it's honest BS. Hopefully the cowards will take a lesson.

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RINOs have indeed always been cowards...far more afraid of upsetting the left than of upsetting conservative voters. The only policies you lot fight tooth and nail against are conservative policies, whilst capitulating to virtually ever left wing power grab for decades.

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Well, congratulations. You've just replaced a conservative leader with one who resisted Trump's legislative efforts but supported his temper tantrum.

Policy before personality, indeed.

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We replaced a conservative leader who lost the confidence of her caucus because she was unable to get past her own gargantuan egocentrism and represent the overwhelming sentiments of her district and caucus. Churchill crossed the aisle when he found himself at odds with the rest of his caucus; Cheney should do the same. If she's not ready to do that, she should at minimum have resigned her leadership position rather than use it to undermine an otherwise united caucus. But she didn't do that. And in so doing became the megalomaniac she accuses Trump to be.

The new leader, on the other hand, had no problem balancing the task of representing her district on policy AND playing team ball with her caucus on partisan issues. She was willing to fight for a man who's policies she was not always able to support. And she fought very well, too. Gained my respect, even though I occasionally disagree with her on policy positions. She earned this promotion.

Lost in the debate is the reality that the Conference Chairmanship is often filled by a moderate, for balance within the caucus....to give moderates in the GOP caucus a stake in leadership. So this change actually enlarges the tent, so to speak.

The virtue posture is a hard habit to break. But if you keep trying, you might be able to shake it.

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Stefanik earned it, not by voting record, but by kissing the ring. The more the party moves to the the Trump extreme, the greater the loses in the coming election. Trump is a losing formula, and doubling down on him will insure continued Democratic control of both houses in 2022. He's to polarizing, and un-american to appeal to a majority, and that's what is required to win.

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Unconstitutional
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unconstitutional | \ n-kn(t)-st-t-shnl, -ty-, -sh-nl
Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Unconstitutional
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unconstitutional | \ n-kn(t)-st-t-shnl, -ty-, -sh-nl
Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Yep, Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional. On the other hand impeachment is a constitutional process that a majority of the House determines.

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Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Yep, Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional. On the other hand impeachment is a constitutional process that a majority of the House determines.

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"Because I don't like him" does not define unconstitutionality, TS.

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Sam: "Besides which I couldn't care less about Biden."

Aside from your posts making clear he's your boy ...

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<chuckle> Get back to me when you treat Trump supporters with the same respect you treat people like Liz Cheney or Chris Cuomo

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Have I mistreated you?

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Deflection a la Biden, I see.

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Sorry. So about that quote?

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So, about my point?

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Evasion from Sam as now usual for him. I truly miss Rational Sam, wonder what happened?

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Quote from me supporting Biden. Take your time.

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If there are two choices (which, realistically, is all there are) and you condemn one choice, in metered verse using backup singers (which you have), you are supporting the remaining choice. One cannot come to a crossroads, claim 'there be monsters' to the right and not accept the defacto support for going left.

You and every other never Trumper supported and continue to support socialist policies and politicians. Just own it.

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Thank you. It's BS, but at least it's honest BS. Hopefully the cowards will take a lesson.

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RINOs have indeed always been cowards...far more afraid of upsetting the left than of upsetting conservative voters. The only policies you lot fight tooth and nail against are conservative policies, whilst capitulating to virtually ever left wing power grab for decades.

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Well, congratulations. You've just replaced a conservative leader with one who resisted Trump's legislative efforts but supported his temper tantrum.

Policy before personality, indeed.

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Cheney isn't a conservative. No one who advocated impeachment is a conservative. Conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution.

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idiot alert!

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No need to announce yourself every time you post.

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would you please quit showing your ass? It's embarrassing.

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Unconstitutional
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Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Yep, Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional. On the other hand impeachment is a constitutional process that a majority of the House determines.

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"Because I don't like him" does not define unconstitutionality, TS.

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Cheney isn't a conservative. No one who advocated impeachment is a conservative. Conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution.

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Unconstitutional
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unconstitutional | \ n-kn(t)-st-t-shnl, -ty-, -sh-nl
Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Yep, Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional. On the other hand impeachment is a constitutional process that a majority of the House determines.

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"Because I don't like him" does not define unconstitutionality, TS.

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1. There are people who tried to steal an election, but they weren't republicans.
2. "Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional"? That's the stupidest thing I have read in a while. You think his mean tweets are unconstitutional. Laff
3. The constitution defines impeachment and the house (along with Cheney) violated that, very plainly.

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Cheney isn't a conservative. No one who advocated impeachment is a conservative. Conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution.

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Unconstitutional
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unconstitutional | \ n-kn(t)-st-t-shnl, -ty-, -sh-nl
Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Yep, Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional. On the other hand impeachment is a constitutional process that a majority of the House determines.

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"Because I don't like him" does not define unconstitutionality, TS.

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1. There are people who tried to steal an election, but they weren't republicans.
2. "Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional"? That's the stupidest thing I have read in a while. You think his mean tweets are unconstitutional. Laff
3. The constitution defines impeachment and the house (along with Cheney) violated that, very plainly.

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1. Trump called for his base to rally on the Jan. 6th, pumped them up, and launched on the Capitol to unconstitutionally stop the then occurring constitutional process of certifying the election. They were more so cult followers than they were Republicans.
2. His tweets reflect his malignant narcissitic personality disorder. His attempt to prevent certification of the election was his paramount unconstitutional activity.
3. The Constitution provides for impeachment, and the house determines the rules of the process. There is no finding that constitutional process was violated, except in the figment of Trump's imagination.

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Sam: "Besides which I couldn't care less about Biden."

Aside from your posts making clear he's your boy ...

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<chuckle> Get back to me when you treat Trump supporters with the same respect you treat people like Liz Cheney or Chris Cuomo

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Have I mistreated you?

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Deflection a la Biden, I see.

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Sorry. So about that quote?

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So, about my point?

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Please support it.

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Evasion from Sam as now usual for him. I truly miss Rational Sam, wonder what happened?

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Quote from me supporting Biden. Take your time.

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If there are two choices (which, realistically, is all there are) and you condemn one choice, in metered verse using backup singers (which you have), you are supporting the remaining choice. One cannot come to a crossroads, claim 'there be monsters' to the right and not accept the defacto support for going left.

You and every other never Trumper supported and continue to support socialist policies and politicians. Just own it.

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Thank you. It's BS, but at least it's honest BS. Hopefully the cowards will take a lesson.

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RINOs have indeed always been cowards...far more afraid of upsetting the left than of upsetting conservative voters. The only policies you lot fight tooth and nail against are conservative policies, whilst capitulating to virtually ever left wing power grab for decades.

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Well, congratulations. You've just replaced a conservative leader with one who resisted Trump's legislative efforts but supported his temper tantrum.

Policy before personality, indeed.

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Cheney isn't a conservative. No one who advocated impeachment is a conservative. Conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution.

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idiot alert!

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No need to announce yourself every time you post.

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would you please quit showing your ass? It's embarrassing.

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Quit while you're behind.

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This issue is really, really simple. Ms. Cheney simply stood up for the truth which is Trump incited the insurrection and needed to be impeached in her opinion. She also has stood up for the TRUTH relative to the election was NOT stolen. Trump lost, but he continues to perpetuate THE LIE. The Republican Paryt of which I used to belong (now Independent) is nothing more than the party of Trump. If you are a Republican and refuse to perpetuate THE LIE, Trump will try to "primary you". Unfortunately, the majority of the Republican/Trump Party are gutless, cowardly people that are scared of Trump and are too concerned about being Trump turning on them and they won't get reelected so the cower in the corner and will not tell the truth and do what is right, save a couple...Romney, Kiinsinger ect. I give Ms Cheney credit for doing what is right and taking on that ****ing Bully. Just watch the pathetic flip flops from spineless Lindsey Graham and Kevin McCarthy. Just pathetic. I cannot believe that these grown ass adults let Trumps control them. Just sad. Again, Trump lost.....presidency, senate, and congress. What more do ya'll Trumpers not understand.

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You're not worth the effort and it wouldn't change your worthless opinions. Why bother?

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because you are a blowhard who doesn't deal in facts. You said my post was all lies. I ask you to refute, and we get deflection from you and your ilk. Here are some facts that I will give you the opportunity to refute, once again.....You can blame Biden and his polices that will one enacted direction on Trump. Trump lost the Presidency, Senate and House. He could have saved the house, hence blocked Dem policies if he didn't **** up Georgia. He's and idiot. Instead of righting the ship, he has blown up the GOP (my former party).

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Look in the mirror for the blowhard-in-chief. "You can blame Biden and his polices that will one enacted direction on Trump." What does that even mean? The worthless Bush/Cheney/Romney/McCain 1%-type Republicans gave us Trump. Had they done a halfway decent job, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

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It's a decent argument. Romney in 2012 was a total milque-toast, the kind of loser who couldn't win the White House if he ran against Carter.

Republicans realized they needed a candidate with some fire and noise.

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yes, and most of the GOP I know would like a " do over"

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You must mean the NeverTrump crowd who gave us the current idiot-in-chief.

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Trump is the showboat that cost R's the WH, Senate, H of R, and majority of governorships - he's all fire and noise.

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Did you vote for him?

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I wanted to but could not. (And before you get excited, I didn't vote for Biden).

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I didn't want to, but did. You are part of the problem in conceding to the left. This isn't complicated.

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Voting on principle and conscience over party is only a problem for those who are unprincipled and without conscience.

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Empty words. I didn't vote for a party. I voted based on what I believed is best for the America I once loved, and against those who would destroy her. I voted on what I thought best for my children and grandchildren. The regressives are the enemy.

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I think stemming the flow of illegals, improving the judiciary, pushing back on China, and generally putting American interests first were all good for America. Sharp contrast to the existential threat posed by the regressives. What's your take?

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My take is that Trump will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our history. He gets credit for judges, however. Also gets credit for 1)Losing the Presidency 2)Losing the Senate 3)Losing Congress....all 3 of which have given us the lefty loons in charge. Thank, Trump, you loser!

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What is wrong with you? Of course he lost those three, but the point is it was largely because of RINOs who actively or passively collaborated with the regressives combined with the lunacy of our response to COVID.

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Bro, are you nuts? Had nothing to do with RINO's . It had 100% to do with his boorish behavior and pathological lying . He is a terrible human and people just got tired of his BS. That BS he and Rudy pulled in Georgia was the final straw. Hope you enjoy Biden and the left. You can blame big orange. How does 1 President lose all 3? He's a loser and was fired to use his parlance.

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Would that be the loser who garnered more actual votes than any candidate in history other than the current pudding brained idiot now in the White House (perhaps illegitimately)? Bro, are you nuts? Without the complicity of the RINOs, there's no way asshat Biden wins.

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Yes that would be the loser who lost to the likes of Biden and who lost the popular vote to HRC. Look no further. He is the only reason Biden is in office. He was so stupid, he beat himself.

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Pretty stupid assertion that "he is the only reason" for a supposed man of science. How about COVID? How about unhinged media? How about a degraded electorate? How about 50 years of the long march through our institutions? And on and on...

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I'm starring ANYONE willing to even respond to TS, the clueless DIMCRAT

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Spoken like a mindless loyal tribal cult member.

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Cheney isn't a conservative. No one who advocated impeachment is a conservative. Conservatives don't advocate violating the constitution.

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Whut??

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Unconstitutional
adjective
unconstitutional | \ n-kn(t)-st-t-shnl, -ty-, -sh-nl
Definition of unconstitutional: not according or consistent with the constitution of a body politic (such as a nation).

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/dershowitz-its-unconstitutional-impeach-trump-constitutionally-protected

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/why_trumps_impeachment_is_effectively_unconstitutional_.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-trumps-second-impeachment-unconstitutional-process

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmanbillposey/2021/02/06/trump-impeachment-is-unconstitutional-and-reeks-of-political-revenge-n2584331

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Yep, Trump is the embodiment of unconstitutional. On the other hand impeachment is a constitutional process that a majority of the House determines.

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"Because I don't like him" does not define unconstitutionality, TS.

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His actions, like trying to steal an election define him.

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I hope you have been drinking, because the alternative is much worse in what it says about you, TS.

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We have a dangerous person out of office, who through his own antics lost the election. Now we're faced with replacing a socialist with a real conservative. The only way to do that is win back the people Trump turned off.

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I love all the liberals that accuse Trump followers to be a "cult." These are the same people that worship at the altar of Fauci.

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And prophets like AOC and Obama, and global warming hysteria and population control and abortion and rewriting history to fit their orthodoxy and actively attacking real religions that oppose them. There certainly is a cult in politics, but it's not on the right.

To the left, the founding fathers are pagan gods, capitalism and freedom are sins, abortion is a sacrament, the media are their priests, university grievance studies departments are their churches, global warming is a gospel narrative, their koolaid is k-12 indoctrination, and the government takeover prompted by their Chinese allies' COVID leak is just the first of many revivals.

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I love all the liberals that accuse Trump followers to be a "cult." These are the same people that worship at the altar of Fauci.

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using the term "Trump Followers" tell me all I need to know.

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It's silly to act like that's a major issue ... or even a significant part of the trans rights conversation.

And perhaps if the religious right could start in a place of acknowledgment that transgender people deserve basic human dignity and respect, we could have a more nuanced conversation on how to handle rare and specific cases like those you reference here.

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It's a major issue because of the precedent it sets. %A0It's a Pandora's box, and could eventually lead to the door being closed to many women who wish to play sports. %A0See the girls in Connecticut who claim they had scholarship opportunities squelched because two biological men who identified as women took first and second in the state track championship's 100m.

I don't know many on the right who think that trans people don't deserve respect and dignity. %A0But often times those terms are code words used by people to mean special rights for people who suffer from mental disorders that cause them to believe they are the opposite sex. %A0And now it is being used by misguided parents to abuse children, in the form of puberty blockers that cause permanent and lasting damage to children. %A0

History has shown that civilizations begin to decline when rampant immorality (particularly, sexual) infects the civilization. %A0The idea that standing up for a moral code is silly, is an idea that is in and of itself silly.

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The good old slippery slope fallacy -- a favorite of the church and most others desiring to stall change they're afraid of and/or don't understand.

And your second paragraph is proven false both by the daily verbiage on this board and by your own post here. Referring to transgender as a mental disorder, when the medical and mental health community do not, is not treating those individuals with dignity or respect. It's doing quite the opposite.

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Tell me, in what way do I not understand transgenderism? %A0Please enlighten me.

And it's not a logical fallacy if what I described is actually happening, which of course it is.

As for my second paragraph, just FYI, until very recently transgenderism was indeed classified as a mental disorder, and still is by that little medical organization known as the WHO. %A0So how did that designation change? %A0A number of transgender advocates and activists began lobbying medical organizations to label it as something other than what it actually is, which of course they did, succumbing to the pressure from the woke crowd which denies biology, and believes that one can choose their gender. %A0Sorry, but medical organizations that more closely resemble political organizations, and can be lobbied to deny science, don't hold as much weight for me as they do you.

I respect transgender people's ability to live their lives as I do. %A0I simply don't deny science by classifying their behavior as normal, as you do. %A0That, it is not.

I know you are very bitter toward the church my friend, and Christianity in general, but it is the role of the church to be counter-cultural, not to conform to the ways of the world. %A0If that's silly, well, I guess it's been silly for around 2,000 years. %A0

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Wrong.

https://time.com/5596845/world-health-organization-transgender-identity/

And the fact that you continue to conflate sex and gender is proof that you don't have a very firm grasp of this issue and have no desire to gain one.

And it is is the church's role to love and serve in a way that is counter-cultural. The fact that it has so badly missed this point is why I'm so bitter towards it.

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No, I am right.%A0 They voted on the change in May 2019, but it does not go into effect until January of 2022.%A0 As of right now, it's still listed as a mental disorder by the WHO.%A0 Look it up.

As for sex vs. gender, I simply do not agree that there is a difference.%A0 The idea that gender is a social construct that can be changed, regardless of sex, is a recent (and unscientific) belief that denies biology.

With respect to your last point, your error is your belief that loving someone is not telling them about sin.%A0 This is the opposite of love, and leads them down a primrose path to destruction.%A0 But the fact it is a stumbling block for you is no surprise.%A0 It has been to people for centuries, and especially in today's culture where people don't want to be told their decisions and lifestyles are immoral.

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Calling conclusions drawn and decisions made by the scientific community "unscientific" without a science background or any expertise whatsoever on this subject reeks of hubris IMO.

And play the semantics game all you want, but the WHO has made and announced the decision to drop gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. The organization no longer views it as such, as you suggested above.

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Sad considering treatment for gender dysphoria had a very high success rate.

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Seriously how many Americans have gender dysphoria?

Less than 1 percent of people?

Republicans have made this a political issue because people like you are stupid enough to buy that this is an issue.