BrooksBearLives said:
fadskier said:
BrooksBearLives said:
fadskier said:
BrooksBearLives said:
Sam Lowry said:
BrooksBearLives said:
quash said:
Sam Lowry said:
quash said:
Democratic senators interfered with Ukrainian prosecutors, too. Not really. Three Democratic senators sent a letter urging Ukraine to cooperate with an ongoing investigation by the U.S. government rather than to succumb to any pressure from Trump to withhold cooperation. There was no threat of U.S. policy changes adversely affecting Ukraine, either. So no quo, and a less problematic quid.
This may have been true when the three senators wrote that letter in 2018. It's no longer true today:
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Earlier this month, during a bipartisan meeting in Kiev, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) delivered a pointed message to Ukraine's new president, Volodymyr Zelensky.
While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear by his own account that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden's family.
Murphy boasted after the meeting that he told the new Ukrainian leader that U.S. aid was his country's "most important asset" and it would be viewed as election meddling and "disastrous for long-term U.S.-Ukraine relations" to bend to the wishes of Trump and Giuliani.
"I told Zelensky that he should not insert himself or his government into American politics. I cautioned him that complying with the demands of the President's campaign representatives to investigate a political rival of the President would gravely damage the U.S.-Ukraine relationship. There are few things that Republicans and Democrats agree on in Washington these days, and support for Ukraine is one of them," Murphy told me today, confirming what he told Ukraine's leader.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/462658-lets-get-real-democrats-were-first-to-enlist-ukraine-in-us-elections
First, the main meddling is going the other way and we need to just GTFO of Ukraine and a few other places.
Second, this is quite similar to what Trump did, only there is no favor being requested to benefit Murphy's re-election campaign. Did he ask for a future meeting with his campaign lawyer, as Trump did with Giuliani?
Seriously. Is the point that Democrats are wrong? If so, the President's actions were MUCH worse. If it's that this was fine, then -once again- no quid. No quo.
The quid pro quo is fairly explicit: "Murphy boasted after the meeting that he told the new Ukrainian leader that U.S. aid was his country's 'most important asset' and it would be viewed as election meddling and 'disastrous for long-term U.S.-Ukraine relations' to bend to the wishes of Trump and Giuliani."
Of course there's nothing wrong with it. It's the kind of thing politicians do all the time.
That is one tenth as explicit as the quid pro quo conservatives are saying didn't happen.
Once again, you're trying to have it both ways. We know the concept is bankrupt, but now we're just beginning to judge the level to which your tribalism has risen.
Ok, cinque
Yeah, I'd want to change the subject, too if I was getting owned like this.
Face it. Your boy Donny is a verifiable piece of ****, and you're carrying water for him. Enjoy your legacy!
Whatever cinque....I have no regrets voting for Trump. Maybe if Dems would nominate a decent candidate, but that's not happening so it's Trump 2020 for me.
I am enjoying the legacy,,,lower taxes!
I'm not surprised you have "no regrets" voting for Trump. The ability for someone to feel shame is required, first.
EXPLODING DEFICITS! KILLING THE ECONOMY! MASSIVE BAILOUTS FOR FARMERS BECAUSE OF STUPID TRADE WARS! CONSTANT SCANDALS! BABIES IN CAGES! STEALING MONEY FROM CHILDREN OF MILITARY PERSONNEL TO BUY A WALL MEXICO WAS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR!
You get your money, **** everyone else, right?
Deficits have been exploding for several presidents, but blame this one
The economy is doing great! unemployment numbers are fantastic! Especially for minorities!
Our government bails out everyone...Obama bailed out banks..yet blame Trump
Constant scandals? Yes, created by Dems.
Babies in cages? You're kidding with this one right?
Stealing Money? You're crazy.
Looks like no one else is really getting fcked, like YOU say...except people who want to come here illegally and those who want socialism.
Again, I feel great. and judging by your all caps cinque, you're off your meds again.
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