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Cheney and her ilk are wrong on a lot of things, but they're 100% right on this. This is completely unacceptable for anyone who claims to love the Constitution and the rule of law.
Adopting the rhetoric of your opponent doesn't impress anyone. It just emboldens your opponent and undermines your credibility among your natural allies.
The rhetoric of constitutionalism was not always unique to the left. It's the abandonment of our own principles that undermines our credibility.
A former president should not be undermining an election six months after the fact, especially not without evidence. It is obscene.
he did not, and is not, undermining an election. He is keeping the GOP focused on severely flawed state laws that allowed our opponents to steal an election.
"Severely flawed state laws" does not sound like you are much of a federalist.
And that is not what this about, anyway. The Cyber Ninjas in Arizona are currently trying to create evidence that Maricopa County counted votes that were smuggled in from Asia based on bamboo content in the ballots. The repeated efforts to call into question Georgia and to cast that state's Republican Governor and Secretary of State into political come their refusal to make up vote fraud stories after two recounts demonstrated that Trump lost. Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani ran around trying to convince people the spirit of Hugo Chavez infected the Dominion voting machines.
The Big Lie Trump and his acolytes is spreading has zero to do with allowing mail in ballots during the pandemic. It is a carnival of tin foil that the current GOP either tolerates for fear of Trump or actively uses as a way to restrict voting in the future to drive down turnout. The downside is that we are losing faith in our elections which is a necessary condition for authoritarians to take control
It is dangerous and that is why Liz Cheney is taking a stand.
I enjoy posting on here and usually come to an appreciation of, if not agreement with, of the conservative side of things through the argument raised by posters like you. On this issue, however, if one professes not to see the danger of what Trump has done (not is doing-the genie is out of the bottle), one is being wither foolish or treasonous. IMHO.
Also, Stacey Abrams. C'mon. Gotta be consistent.
I disagree with anyone who casts doubt on elections they lost by claiming fraud in the absence of evidence of fraud.
If the complaint is about the laws that impacted the voting (the presence or absence of mail-in balloting options) or the procedures uses (voting times and places) I think that is fair game for either side. Which is my point about trump-he is complaining about true fraud, not about disagreement with procedure. I don't know what Abrams said after she lost in Georgia, so I don't know what category to put her in. ;
The real question is if anyone is incapable of voting currently?
I would think like .001% might have that problem due to some really strange situation.
How many people that can't mail in vote, can't also make it to a voting booth? If you can't make time or accommodations for that then our society is going to collapse from lack of ability.
It's not so much fraud that I'm worried about, it's how unbelievably bad some of these states handle their voting processes. Why are states 6x the size of other's having no issues while small states count for months? Why are we sending ballots based on old voter rolls?
Since it's a federal election...we should probably all follow the same rules.